Curling, Purple Red Stems, Purple Blue leaves, stunted growth, .......

The subject says it all. I have never seen anything like this in my entire life. ALL of my plants, to one extent or another are experiencing every single symptom of the guide I just read (See: Sticky) and are still growing (Albeit slowly). They are all different strains so here goes: White Widow, Blue Dream, Thunder FuckxSour DieselxPurple Kush, Chronic, Afghanixlemon haze, NYC Sour Diesel, Ice, Blueberry.
The widow is the best of them with minimal deformations and minimal deficiencies only on the bottom most leaves. The blue dream has radically twisted leaves, stem is bent, curling leaves, light green color, stunted growth and thining shoots. The TDK is JUST starting to turn a lime green and has very few twisting leaves (not curling) The chronic has all of these syptoms and one other, it shows white leaves in 2 places and what looks like camoflauge color in others a mixture of lighter and darker greens, like splashing bleach on a green shirt. It has also stopped producing thicker leaves and is now producing thinner, more sativa looking leaves. Also lightening green. The Afghan Lemon has a purple to reddish stem, spreading day by day. It's lower leaves hang wilted, chlorotic and necrotic, it has dried, papery sun leaves closer to the bottom, The newer leaves are stunted in growth like the rest, pale lime green and thin. The NYCSD is Dark green on the bottom with blue and purplish hues to the dark green leaves, but the new growth (I started watering them all with distilled bottled water as my tap water is hard and has too much chlorine for normal leaching) is lime green and lush. This is the only plant that has started to grow better since the intro of the distilled water. The rest look like they are in a stalemate. Neither growing or dying. The ICE has curled leaves but otherwise grows normally. And last and the WORST my Blueberry this plant was basically a bud when it finally rooted and I have grown it out, but it has grown VERY slowly with these crinkly looking, gnarled leaves. Occassional necrotic spots and chlorosis. All plants have purple or red stems and petioles. The greener stems look like normal (The ICE and the widow look like normal stems, purple veins and a normal green color). All of this is VERY CONFUSING. I am using a 1000W HPS, I switched from a 100W MH. It has been a week since the switch and temps are up to 78-88F depending on the time of day. Temps were the same with the 100w MH. The soil is peat moss, perlite and dolomitic limestone, I add bat and sea bird guano and worm castings @ 10-7-6 for my veg. Haven't gotten to flower yet.
Can anyone tell me what the hell is wrong here? I will post pics if necessary. Probably will be so I might as well go take them now and re edit this. If you happen to read this and think you know what's up in the meantime please by all means enlighten me as I am stumped. My PH tester claims 7.2 across the board for the soil and a lack of available nutrients. Foliar feeding with mild organics has curled some leaves even further on all but the ice and widow, which respond well to fertilized foliar feeding. The others do not and only respond to straight distilled water for foliar feeding. Again strange. What am I missing? Picture Order: Lemon HazexAfghan, Blue Dream, Blueberry, Chronic, ICE, NYCSD, TDK, White Widow.

bump...need help

what is your pH? are you using a micro supplement? the one in the first pic definitely looks like its a bit phosphorous deficient probably due to pH or lack of magnesium. a couple other pick look like Mg deficiency. how long have they been in those pots? have you given them any fertilizer?


EDIT: missed where you said your pH, thats a little high. you want it more around 6.5, you are most likely getting some lockout.

They have all been in the pots 6 weeks now. I use Botanicare Pure Blend Pro Grow @ 3-2-4 and Liquid Karma @ .1-.1-.2 for foliar feeding (1/4 tbsp per gallon each) and as I mentioned, feeding all but the Ice and the Widow seems to make it worse. More curling, spotting and wilting. The blueberry and the Ice were the only 2 I tried watering with the grow. The ice has curled leaves since (Albeit not alot) and the Blueberry started to "crinkle" after. The crinkle is soft and the leaves feel normal, they just look deformed. And I am not using micro nutrients past what is in the guanos and the botanicare.

I'm guessing this a Cali grow from clone...
Your feeding schedule seems appropriate for how small they are.
Grab some Cal Mag, don't water as often.. and knock the foliar feeding off until the differences change.

Cal Mag. Ok, i'll get some tomorrow. Cali? no, i'm in Washington. From clones? Yes all but the Chronic which is from Seed. I only water when the pots are dry enough to be light and the leaves are not wilting (Unless it IS dry and they are still wilting). RH is between 40-50.
Now for another question. Cal Mag has Nitrates in it. So it will work short term and add the necessary nutrients that are missing, but will that appreciably change the soil pH permanently or will I have to get some aluminum sulphate?
I'm from NY and the water pH from tap is 6.5 - 7. Here in WA it is not. It ranges and is usually higher than 7 almost 8 and is hard. It's why I switched to distilled bottled water.

Cal mag is 2/0/0 so it gives a little nitrogen.....dose'nt really affect ph much.
Your ph is a little high, I'd try adjusting the water ph down to get get a runoff of 6.8
peace B

RollupMikey hit it, get some cal mag and fix your pH. spraying them with unbalanced nutes definitely is going to make the problem worse. water them through and spray them off with plain balanced water and they should bounce back.

I agree with them, try cal-mag and just spray them one more time with distilled or plain water to wash them off then stop spraying them. When I have a problem I try to think of whats different. They went from a 100w to a 1000w right? Well maybe the larger light is causing the plants to transpire more and they just cant do it. More fresh air or co2 would help.

try transplanting to bigger pots. they look like theyre in pretty small pots. try that before spraying it with a shit ton of chemicals.

I don't think its the pot size.

im not sayin thats all of it, but six weeks in what size pot are they in?

The pots are 1.75 gallons. They are not root bound. I was going to transplant them 5 days ago, on schedule, but they just don't look too hot. I wanted to make sure they were stable before I did anything. They are supposed to be clipped for clones, stripped and buried up to the hilt in new 5 gallon pots for flowering. I started the clone process 2 weeks ago but that was before this issue started to occur. So I haven't taken anything from a few of them. The pictures are a bit misleading due to angle. They are larger than they appear. I couldn't fit them in entirety in the frame due to a lack of space to take pics (I have enough light leak around here running my veg that it looks like sunlight all the time). All of this coincides with building a 4' x 4' grow box. I am putting the 1000w in it with new ventilation (The two bathroom fans I have now are on their way out and are so loud I can barely sleep). Again, something not done due to being afraid to move them now. The clones are perfect and are lush green with no chlorosis or necrosis, normal leaves and they all look like the plants did before this happened. So it's in the soil that my problem lies.
No one answered the aluminum sulphate question so I will ask then if lowering my water's pH and watering as such would appreciably change soil pH for the longterm?

And what is different besides a faster metabolism due to greater light saturation and more heat movement? I was using bottled water the entire time to water the plants. I switched to tap for a week and this is what happened. It was the same week I got the new light. Therein may lie the problem, faster metabolism + more powerful light in different spectrum + High pH water might have just been a little too much at once. The heat problem has been solved, light intesity also as I pulled the reflector 2 feet higher than the 1 1/2 I would usually put a 1000w lamp to. I switched back to bottled water, but only after they started exhibiting symptoms did I do this. And the symptoms have slowed but not stopped.

Ok I have Cal - Mag from Botanicare and I have pH Down from General Hydro. If my water is 7 now adding a few drops should get me 6.5 - 6.0. That should fix the pH problem in a few waterings but now I have yet another unanswered question. Can I mix the cal-mag in with the pH down or do I water seperatley?

For reference, for anyone else having these problems with shit nutes and crap water, get ESU Greenleaves Grow, Bloom, and Boost Juice. They auto balance the pH and have all the N-P-K Macro micro nutrients in one container. Not organic but a good solution to a problem like this.

Ok, I did the pH down @ a capful per gallon, and added the cal-mag @ 1 Tbsp. Per gallon on 3 test plants. I guess I wait and see....Stay tuned....

I'd like to thank everyone for their advice. I would like to also give much respect to Mikey, Cruzer, and SCCA. Rep + Good job and thank you. In one night I saw a bounce back and expect a bigger one in a few days time with the same regimen. pH Down and Cal - Mag. The leaves of all new shoots are no longer curled on all 3 test plants. I am ready to hit the rest of them with it.

Good to hear, Its not always that easy.
Glad you had a good experience with rollitup and welcome to our community.

Nice to hear they are getting back in shape, Cerebralone. what do you plan to use to ventilate that 1000w if the bathroom fans are too loud?

I agree with it lacking Mg. Your soil PH might be too high, because as I also see Zinc def (second pic). If top growth continue getting yellow/white "stripes" at new shoots, you might try lowering the PH to make Mg, Zn, Iron available to the plant. (Iron, Co, Zn, Manganese, Boron is unavailable for the plant if too high PH).

But check your soil PH (in addition to runoff, as runoff PH is not always a good indicator) before doing anything.


Edit: I answered your original post, didn't notice there was two pages with replies. Nice to hear it helped lowering the PH. You're spot on with the switch to HID, the plant will require more resources because of the increased photosyntesis.

Wow, old post. It took me this long to remember my username.
@bubbanugs I was afraid to transplant them in that condition. And yes, they were rootbound. So Steverthebeaver81 was right along with the rest. I forgot that I had taken clones to begin with. They had been in those pots too long irregardless of size. I thought I was on time with it but I wasn't. My apologies to any offended.
@SCCA I went inline with 740 CFM fans and have added several lights and fans since.

Thank you all again.