Marijuana Is Currently NOT Legal

mr2shim

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Please, guys get your facts straight.


Marijuana is currently illegal in all 50 states. With the exception of MMJ. Which is an exemption, that does not making it legal. You and the others who are voting no are very sadly misguided and very confused.

Prohibition is what's going on now, how is legalizing something prohibition?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_in_the_United_States

I really feel bad some of you guys are wasting your votes because you've been mislead. Completely illegal as of 10/10/2010

Medical Marijuana is an exception, nothing more. It is still very much illegal to the general population. You aren't helping you are making the problem worse.
 

mr2shim

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About half way down the page

http://yeson19.com/node/97

Q: Does Proposition 19 change medical cannabis laws in California?

A: No, Proposition 19 will not change or affect current medical cannabis laws or protections offered to qualified patients. Patients will still be able to possess what is needed for medical use, and patients, caregivers and medical cannabis collectives and cooperatives will retain all existing rights under Proposition 215 and SB 420 (codified at California Health & Safety Code 11362.5; 11362.7 - 11362.9). Section 2.B of Proposition 19 expressly lists as one of the initiative’s purposes: “Provide easier, safer access for patients who need cannabis for medical purposes.” Section 2.B also expressly notes that existing medical cannabis statutes will remain the law after passage of Proposition 19. Finally, none of the provisions in Proposition 19 conflict with Proposition 215 or SB 420. As a result, even in the absence of the provisions in Section 2.B of Proposition 19, Proposition 19 could not possibly provide any legal basis for limiting existing medical cannabis law.


Q: If proposition 19 passes, would patients be limited to possessing one ounce or less of cannabis?

A: No, qualified patients will not be subject to the one-ounce quantity limitation for recreational cannabis in Proposition 19. As stated above, patients will retain all of their rights under Proposition 215 and SB 420, including the right to possess any amount of cannabis that is reasonably related to the patient’s current medical needs. Section 3 of Proposition 19 provides in part that “it is lawful and shall not be a public offense under California law for any person 21 years of age or older to” possess one ounce or less of cannabis. Nothing in this provision, or any other provision of Proposition 19, makes it unlawful for qualified patients (including qualified patients under the age of 21) to possess more than one ounce of cannabis.


Q: How will Proposition 19 affect patients who grow medical cannabis? Will patients be limited to cultivating cannabis in an area of not more than twenty-five square feet per private residence?

A:
Proposition 19 will not affect patients who grow medical cannabis. Patient gardens will remain legal, and protections will remain unchanged for patients who choose to grow their own medicine. As with all of its provisions, the “twenty-five square feet” provision does not affect or limit the rights of qualified patients under Proposition 215 and SB 420.


Q: How will Proposition 19 affect collective and cooperative cultivation?


A: Proposition 19 will not affect the provision of California law that recognizes medical cannabis collectives and cooperatives (California Health & Safety Code § 11362.775). These collectives and cooperatives will remain lawful throughout the state, regardless of whether or not a locality chooses to control and tax the cultivation and distribution of cannabis for non-medical purposes.
While Proposition 19 does not affect existing medical cannabis law, it will allow for greater protection for collectives and cooperatives in storefront locations. City and county governments that choose to control and tax the cultivation and distribution of cannabis under Proposition 19 will now have the clearly established ability to regulate collective and/or commercial growing.


Q: If Proposition 19 passes, will non-medical patients have the same (or more) rights than patients?

A: No, qualified patients will continue to have all of the rights under Proposition 215 and SB 420 and will therefore have more rights than non-medical cannabis consumers. Adults 21 and over who are not qualified patients will be able to possess up to one ounce of cannabis outside of the home. Adults who are not qualified patients may only grow in a 5’x5’ area, and will have an affirmative defense to possess what they grow for personal use in that area. Patients, caregivers, and/or collectives will still be able to possess and cultivate the amount needed for their medical use and will retain all other rights under Proposition 215 and SB 420.


Q: Will Proposition 19 result in more taxes on medical cannabis?

A: No. Localities already have the ability to tax medical cannabis. In 2008, for example, Oakland voters passed such a tax. Because Proposition 19 will allow localities to control and tax the non-medical cultivation and distribution of cannabis, it is likely to lower the potential tax burden on medical cannabis patients and collectives.


Q: I have heard that, despite the information above and the plain language of the initiative, Proposition 19 will limit the rights of medical cannabis patients. Should I be concerned?

A: Anyone who claims that Proposition 19 will limit or overturn Proposition 215 or SB 420 in any way is either misinformed or misrepresenting the truth. As discussed above, Proposition 19 will not affect any of the legal rights granted to patients, caregivers, doctors, collectives/cooperatives, etc. under California’s existing medical cannabis laws. California’s current medical cannabis laws will remain intact and unchanged by Proposition 19. Nevertheless, a small group of people who benefit financially from the current illegal status of cannabis may be tempted to spread (or to believe) misinformation about Proposition 19 due to self-interest. Unfortunately, some value their personal wealth more than the lives of the over 60,000 Californians who are arrested each year for cannabis offenses and who would no longer be criminalized if Proposition 19 becomes law. The text of Proposition 19 could not be any clearer, however: Proposition 19 will not limit in any way the rights of patients, caregivers, doctors, or collectives/cooperatives.


A little reading goes a long way. Like I've been saying, you guys who are voting no are wasting your votes because you are misguided and misinformed.
 

mr2shim

Well-Known Member
I honestly don't expect the naysayers to really realize they are wrong. It would be nice to see people admit they were misinformed but yea, I doubt that will happen. Internet Ego's are too big.
 

Serapis

Well-Known Member
Nice post. We are missing responses from 2 people that I know have posted in every single prop 19 post.

Nice use of facts. They'll rebutt that it is all lies and if Prop 19 passes, California will fall into the ocean on the next day.
 

Burger Boss

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Thanks Mr.2, again, some great info/facts. I can't imagine what BS will be tossed liberally about in an attempt dispute the facts presented above. But stand by, these folks seem shameless in their zeal to warp, distort, and generally screw with truth.......BB
 

mr2shim

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Thanks Mr.2, again, some great info/facts. I can't imagine what BS will be tossed liberally about in an attempt dispute the facts presented above. But stand by, these folks seem shameless in their zeal to warp, distort, and generally screw with truth.......BB
Something tells me they will either not post because the facts are too much for their bullshit or they will have absolutely no shame and say what I posted is BS, of course there will be no good reason as to why they will say it's false information. Nevertheless I'm excited to see what crap they have to type.
 

mr2shim

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Still no reply from the anti prop 19 side. I guess the overwhelming amount of truth made their brains explode.
 

suTraGrow

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I dont think anybody cares anymore after a billion of these :/ no offense or anything bro i read it very informative but i think everybody's over it :/
 

mr2shim

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I dont think anybody cares anymore after a billion of these :/ no offense or anything bro i read it very informative but i think everybody's over it :/
Have you seen some of the other threads from today? Pages and pages of people going back and forth about this. These are the facts. They can't be any clearer than that. The crap posted in the others threads is well crap and misinformation. It makes me laugh knowing the ones going on about how licensed medical growers have to confine to prop 19 and grow in a 25 sq ft space have read this, they just can't admit they were wrong. A thread like this needs to be seen by people who are voting on this. So they can see the truth and not the lies and slander that has been spread.
 

ear74

Member
It always comes down to money.It is still illegal to grow,smoke,or possess marijuana in the U.S.I was in the emerald triangle in 2000 and people still fear government regardless of state law.The state cannot protect you from federal prosecution.If you are making money they will notice and come knocking.This leads to my big question.How do the state legal,fed illegal,medical marijuana selling shops get the marijuana.This must be risky even in a state that has allowed medical marijuana
 

MacGuyver4.2.0

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It always comes down to money.It is still illegal to grow,smoke,or possess marijuana in the U.S.I was in the emerald triangle in 2000 and people still fear government regardless of state law.The state cannot protect you from federal prosecution.If you are making money they will notice and come knocking.This leads to my big question.How do the state legal,fed illegal,medical marijuana selling shops get the marijuana.This must be risky even in a state that has allowed medical marijuana
YES. It all DOES come down to money. Now for the next example of our 2 sided corrupt government comes this:

Marijuana is generally illegal at the Federal level. I saw 'generally' because the FEDS actually have some people who are part of government sponsored studies. Everyone else- they are considered illegal. Now STATES may have created their own laws, but the FEDS say they trump those laws anyways.

Funny how STATES can allow MMJ and COLLECT TAXES off what the government STILL classifies as an 'illegal, controlled substance'. The states then PAY the federal governemnt with tax revenues COLLECTED on what is considered illegal. So in a sense isn't our governmet sponsoring organized crime or money laundering? If part of the tax revenues collected from the states come from MMJ, how can the government justify taking any of it? Oh that's right ...the government does whatever it wants, no matter how wrong it is.
 
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