that's called marketing ..., I think the footprint does make sense, since the unit is so close to the canopy, compare the dropoff areas to the actual size of the unit.
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PAR-FORCE D
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The PAR-FORCE 500 fixture directs the light inwards to maximize the 3 x 3 area and our edges took a hit. That said the metrics measure within a few points from the grid above. Here is a 3rd party par mapping session who measured with a LiCor quantum meter at 12 inches.
PPFD per watt
1.35
PPFD per 4 x 4 grid
675
We have PAR-FORCE 600 being tested by growers that will be available very soon.... and the fixture is not curved and will fill a 4 x 4 grid even better. With 120 degree optics and mA chips we can spray larger dosage of micromoles without sacraficing coverage from hot spots from larger 3 and 5 watt chips. That is why we drop to 8 inches during the last two weeks of flower. 12 inches for most of flower.
PPFD per watt
1.35
PPFD per 4 x 4 grid
675
We have PAR-FORCE 600 being tested by growers that will be available very soon.... and the fixture is not curved and will fill a 4 x 4 grid even better. With 120 degree optics and mA chips we can spray larger dosage of micromoles without sacraficing coverage from hot spots from larger 3 and 5 watt chips. That is why we drop to 8 inches during the last two weeks of flower. 12 inches for most of flower.
what chips are you using ?????????????????????????????????
PAR-FORCE D
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Not what everyone else is using... proprietary phosphor blend mA chips... full spectrum like BML but not like their larger chip sizes
testiclees
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This is a good spot to exercise transparency and diplomacy
That response is not persuasive.
ok lets be a little bit blunt and clear.
what chips are you using ? Please provide a pointer to the specs for the chips.
otherwise well you know black magic or a used car salesman take your pick.
PAR-FORCE D
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OSRAM by SYLVANIA
PAR-FORCE D
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We understand we cannot please everyone so we offer 3rd party grids for photon output on a grid. Isn't everything else other than spectrum just noise?
that's not the point, people deserve to know what they are buying .... you still have not told us what chips, only the brand.
When I buy a car the first thing I do is open the hood and look at the engine.
off the wall analogy
so should I buy a jeep cause it has an engine made by Mercedes even though its one of the crap engines that they put in taxis in south east asia ?
or should I buy a jeep cause it has a top of the line V8 hemi, that's been fitted with the best aftermarket parts ?
where is the beef ?
JimmyIndica
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The 500 looks to be a 3x3 flowering unit?
Can you tell us what osram were used? #s
Phosphorblend already production?Already
Can you tell us what osram were used? #s
Phosphorblend already production?Already
1.21 Gigawatts!
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Only spectrum matters? If that's the case, why not use a cheapo UFO with all those pretty colors for like $50?
PAR-FORCE D
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Only micromoles and spectrum matter was my point
JimmyIndica
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Along with that question I ask before??
Can you give us the #s, Lost light output caused with the reflector, 8% maybe10?
Greengenes707
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So you're saying if I were to overlay Osrams standard ~6200k spectrum white against your "high desert" white...they would be significantly different...enough to claim propriatary custom phosphor blends??
And the day that any spectrum can make up for 30-60% less output...make sure you let me know that the universe is colapsing.
And the day that any spectrum can make up for 30-60% less output...make sure you let me know that the universe is colapsing.
PAR-FORCE D
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We are using Cree and Samsung in some new boards. We are always testing new toys.
So I thought the PAR Mapping by a grow shop and independent company might be something of interest in supporting our PAR grids for the 500 since it was in question.
I know no matter what I type you will be skeptical. I don't blame you there is a lot of RGB crap out there but we have pride. Metrics that matter.
PPFD per watt
PPFD per dollar
PPFD per 4 x 4 area
Honesty, I would recommend holding off for a few weeks until we launch our new grow light and take a pass on ordering our 500 for now even though it stacks up at the top.
In comparrison... BML generate 1.43 PPFD/watt on their Spyder 1200. The PAR-FORCE 500 generates 1.35 PPFD/watt, or 6% less. We have been testing 600-650 watt lights that will increase 4 x 4 grid numbers even more. Its all about the growers
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Greengenes707
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Not quite deflected enough my friend. So...it's not a proprietary phosphor blend of your own or it is???
BML spyder600 was tested by a NIST lab as part of a university study, conducted under one of the most well known plant scientist in recent decades. And recorded at 1.7µmol/j...26% more than the PF500...or you can look at it like a glass half full...PF500 puts out 21% less.
Study linked below....with many more current, and outdated lights, that are and have been producing 1.4+µmols/w for a while. Top performing lights from any technology are currently hitting 1.7-2.0+µmols/w...and still pumping 750-1000+w onto a 1.5m2 canopy.
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JimmyIndica
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Par#s from Osram ZelionHL SSL80s 125watt
1.21 Gigawatts!
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I gotta wonder, who ties your shoes for you?
alesh
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FYI a standard 600W HPS generates about 1.7 µmol/J <- that's the thing @PAR-FORCE D means by "PPFD per watt" (getting your metrics straight would be a good start I think). There's also difference between PPF and PPFD.
My LED light from 2012 was generating about 2.1 µmol/J (LEDs themselves) or 1.85 µmol/J including drivers and fans.
My LED light from 2012 was generating about 2.1 µmol/J (LEDs themselves) or 1.85 µmol/J including drivers and fans.
PSUAGRO.
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curved reflector with a directional light source(s)
.............................advanced tried to release something similar with their ARC series, never panned out because its a bad design=====you want photons going in one direction, straight down to the canopy
.........lol
.............................advanced tried to release something similar with their ARC series, never panned out because its a bad design=====you want photons going in one direction, straight down to the canopy.........lol