Start counting flowering from 12/12 or when the flower?
- Thread starter Jimbo48
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No actually ur right. The counting of 12/12 has nothing to do with ur stating here. If u veg 1 plant for 1 month, and another for 1 week, and start, 12/12 at the same time, u will have a big difference in a few things. Main thing is ur end yield! Less veg, less yield. Also getting to ur statement. The plant that vegged for 1 month will w/o a doubt show signs of flowering first, before the one I vegged for 1 week. To be quite honest with u, I go by my nute company feeding chart, which says to veg for 4 weeks. SO they way I do it is like this. I germinate, then go thru seedling stage(which people quite often, as I first did, mistake the seedling stage as the first week of vegging, and it is not) which normally takes about a week or 2. then by 2 weeks of seedling stage(when the first true set of leaves(not sets blades, but sets of leaves) I start giving very low dosage of nutes. and from that first "real" feeding(ppm of 300-400)(cause prior to that I administer a very LOW dosage of nutes. Less than 200 PPM. And that's only after the first real blades start coming in)and that's when I start counting weeks in veg. So truthfully my veg counting starts from about 2 weeks AFTER seed has cracked it's shell and is opening. Which is sort what were going thru with this flowering question of when does flowerin start. By the time I am going to flip to 12/12, my girls always(97% of the time), are already showing sex. The only times I can think that the plants did NOT show pre-flowers, were when I used regular seeds(instead of feminized), and the only one's that didn't show sexing turned out to be the males, cause even those females of those seeds showed their sex before 12/12. And it's honestly a personal preference when u start counting as long as u know to check those trichs, when the time is right. U know what really funny...... If someones asshole tickled every time it was time to harvest. Someone would actually post that on one of these threads, just because they think it's the right way, because it works for them every time. So truthfully it's personal preference. Doesn't mean that ur personal preference is wrong, but no one can take that away from u. Well hope I made sense, LMAO! Peace, Love, Unity, & Respect!
And I agree, I don't think that person ur refering to meant that Greenhouse seeds was THE PRO OF ALL PRO'S. They meant the pro's, cause we buy their seeds, not vice versa. Don't cause an argument over reading into someone's words to much! I personally never said they were pros. And the people that did, I don't think meant it in they way that u are portraying it to be.
Silky Shagsalot
Well-Known Member
if you think about it, it doesn't matter when the first day of flower is. it doesn't matter how many pistils change color or any of the rest of the stated info. what matters is when the bud is ready to harvest. the "only" accurate method is by checking the trichomes! say your pro breeder tells you that at 65 days you should harvest. are you gonna do it? each strain is different, and has various phenotypes. each growers methods, experience and environment will vary. that is the reason for watching your trichomes...
Yes! those dates the breeders give u are just a guideline, a round about date, if u will. Normally takes a week or 2 more. Which is why u keep an eye on the Trichs.
LMAO! U start a poll, and all u'll be doing is starting another thread for arguing. LOL. Not saying u'll be doin the arguing, but u know how some people get on here.
I have written G13 Labs, Barney's Farm, and DNA Genetics. I've been waiting for their response. I will W/O a doubt post ANY emails I get from any breeder. The onl;y reason I have GHSC is that they were the only ones who actuall responded and, in less than 12 hours. So u gotta give them credit for that. I am taking into consideration that it was the Holidays this week. Do stoner, seed breeders, take vacations
?????? If none of them respond by Tuesday, I will write Big Buddha, Dinafem, Sagarmatha, T.H. Seeds, Serious Seeds, Paradise Seeds..... U name it. As a matter of fact, as of Monday I will send out 3 emails to EVERY "respected" seed breeder. *(What I mean by "respected" is breeders that are very well known in the cups. Breeders that have a name for themselves) And as I get info from them I will start a thread with ALL these emails so people can read them 4 themselves. I will only start this thread if, (A) I get enuff replies(say 5 or more). And, (B) if u guys think it's a good idea, and would be informational. U guys let me know.
I♥BUD
probo24
Well-Known Member
I just keep a log in my grow room
with the date 12/12 starts, also the
date when the plants show sex.
If it's unknown strain, this helps me
plan flowering times for any clones i
take. In order to keep my flowering room going 365 days.
As someone said earlier, the plants
will tell you when they're ready to be
chopped.
If flowering guidelines says 9wk flowering period, no matter if you're counting from day one of 12/12, or day one of showing sex. At either 9wk date,
you're going to ask yourself, "it's been 9wks, does she look ready?"
with the date 12/12 starts, also the
date when the plants show sex.
If it's unknown strain, this helps me
plan flowering times for any clones i
take. In order to keep my flowering room going 365 days.
As someone said earlier, the plants
will tell you when they're ready to be
chopped.
If flowering guidelines says 9wk flowering period, no matter if you're counting from day one of 12/12, or day one of showing sex. At either 9wk date,
you're going to ask yourself, "it's been 9wks, does she look ready?"
Yepper! Once again...... Using the breeder's "timeline" as a guideline. Oh yeah, by the way, that is a H-H-H-H-OT avatar. I hope it's not a pic of ur sister though. LMAO! Just kiddin dude! Not trying to offend. Another thing...... I had NO idea that Mitch Hedberg had passed away, dude. Very Sad!` Peace, Love, Unity, & Respect!
lmfao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!lol, i thought so too, then i clicked on it....uugglllessshhh!!! Dude scared the f^ck uotta me
I'm gonna start adding these Disclaimers to my posts, to avoid arguments. LMFAO!
*THIS DOES NOT MEAN I AGREE WITH THESE EMAILS, AND THAT IS THE CORRECT WAY. I AM JUST POSTING THEM TO ANSWER PEOPLE'S QUESTIONS ABOUT WHEN BREEDER'S STAR COUNTING.
*I hope I don't offend any breeder's out there by posting these emails. This is for the SOLE purpose of people's E-JEW-MAH-KAY-SHION(EDUCATION FOR THOSE WHO AREN'T EDUCATED, LOL. JUST KIDDIN PPL. SMILE!). It does NOT mean that we are actually growing any cannabis. Unless it is allowed in our country
.
Hai xxxxxxxx.(once again my name is IRRELEVANT
)
the correct answer would be from the moment you switch from 18/12 to 12/12.
Of course the stated flowering times are indications. You might want to flower a
couple of days longer or shorter, depending on your circumstances .
Good luck.
Louis
Ceres Seeds Amsterdam
PO Box 10213
1001 EE, Amsterdam
Email: [email protected]
Website: www.ceresseeds.com
*THIS DOES NOT MEAN I AGREE WITH THESE EMAILS, AND THAT IS THE CORRECT WAY. I AM JUST POSTING THEM TO ANSWER PEOPLE'S QUESTIONS ABOUT WHEN BREEDER'S STAR COUNTING.
*I hope I don't offend any breeder's out there by posting these emails. This is for the SOLE purpose of people's E-JEW-MAH-KAY-SHION(EDUCATION FOR THOSE WHO AREN'T EDUCATED, LOL. JUST KIDDIN PPL. SMILE!). It does NOT mean that we are actually growing any cannabis. Unless it is allowed in our country
.Hai xxxxxxxx.(once again my name is IRRELEVANT
)the correct answer would be from the moment you switch from 18/12 to 12/12.
Of course the stated flowering times are indications. You might want to flower a
couple of days longer or shorter, depending on your circumstances .
Good luck.
Louis
Ceres Seeds Amsterdam
PO Box 10213
1001 EE, Amsterdam
Email: [email protected]
Website: www.ceresseeds.com
CreepyStevie69
Well-Known Member
its been a couples months. any other emails? this is very interesting
Trabecula
Well-Known Member
Ok, I know this thread is old as hell but I still see this discussion scattered everywhere so I decided to contact the breeder of most of the seeds I'm growing right now as I started to realize they would take longer than stated (counting from 12/12 switch), as there were only 1/2 weeks left and the buds were not that big and the pistils were at that time starting to change their colour (trichomes were also mostly transparent).
So, in order to get advice (the plants had no problems so I was wondering if that really was from 12/12 switch) I contacted Advanced Seeds and this is the answer (it's in Spanish):
"Hola
las 7 u 8 semanas se cuentan a partir de que se aprecian las primeras flores
por lo que cuentas es posible que las plantas hayan sufrido algun trauma durante el cultivo, porque no es normal que tarden tanto, puede ser un exceso de riego, falta de aireacion correcta, tambien algunos virus retrasan el crecimiento y la floracion
revisa bien todos los parametros y si crees que has hecho algo mal, cambialo para el proximno cultivo
saludos"
The highlighted part in english: "The 7 or 8 weeks are counted from the moment you see the first flowers"
I'm NOT saying it is like this, I'm NOT saying I know how it is (otherwise I wouldn't have mailed them asking so). My point is: have you ever thought that different breeders might have diferente methods? Some might count from the 12/12 switch and some others from the first flowers? Don't we, growers, argue for the same reason?
I just think that if people are unsure, they sould mail the breeder, period. If they are too lazy for that, look at the trichomes or don't bother growing weed.
Cheers,
Trabecula
So, in order to get advice (the plants had no problems so I was wondering if that really was from 12/12 switch) I contacted Advanced Seeds and this is the answer (it's in Spanish):
"Hola
las 7 u 8 semanas se cuentan a partir de que se aprecian las primeras flores
por lo que cuentas es posible que las plantas hayan sufrido algun trauma durante el cultivo, porque no es normal que tarden tanto, puede ser un exceso de riego, falta de aireacion correcta, tambien algunos virus retrasan el crecimiento y la floracion
revisa bien todos los parametros y si crees que has hecho algo mal, cambialo para el proximno cultivo
saludos"
The highlighted part in english: "The 7 or 8 weeks are counted from the moment you see the first flowers"
I'm NOT saying it is like this, I'm NOT saying I know how it is (otherwise I wouldn't have mailed them asking so). My point is: have you ever thought that different breeders might have diferente methods? Some might count from the 12/12 switch and some others from the first flowers? Don't we, growers, argue for the same reason?
I just think that if people are unsure, they sould mail the breeder, period. If they are too lazy for that, look at the trichomes or don't bother growing weed.
Cheers,
Trabecula
Silky Shagsalot
Well-Known Member
oh my gosh!!! it doesn't matter what the breeders say the flower time is, totally irrelevant!!! these breeders have a near perfect environment, and have mondo experience growing their strains out. if you had this experience and environmental control, you could/should take their advice!!! if you ask an experienced grower about when to harvest, most will tell you to keep an eye on the trichomes. an honest breeder/bean vendor will tell you the same thing. the trichomes tell you when to harvest, not the breeder, lol...
BklynPrototype
Member
That is correct M4A1. Usually counting weeks its just time tracking. You should know when their done by looking at the Trichomes and Stigmas for Amber color with a magnifier x40 plus. Its all one challenge after the other, germination, seedlings, vegetative, flowering, harvesting, drying and the best of all.... smoking it.