SCROG OFF!! New school vs old school. Sealed rooms- 12 plants.

frogster

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Holy Crap! Opinions concerning when , how or not at all except really dead leaves when it comes to trimming lower leaves is more controversial than what nutes to use! Seems more dependent on strain and personal preference. I didnt read anything confirming more overall yield by massively trimming undergrowth, but as you mentioned, you are shooting for larger overall quality buds than a few great ones with a mixed buffet below... I can see&understand a higher yielding of higher quality amount of bud by trimming... I found it interesting that some opinions lean towards leaving everything on as "nature intended" and nature and millions of years of genetics will dictate whats best for the plant.... One caveat with that theory: There is nothing natural placing the plants in the environment that we subject them too.(massive lighting, massive nutrients, massive manipulation).. lol so, I think that theory is out the window! I think I will leave the undergrowth for awhile (end of stretch) and do a really light under trim, I dont care to stress the plants with my newbie trimming techniques, and I dont mind dealing with popcorn, seems like I would be missing out on the experience you mentioned....Similar to a buddy of mine who cant get brainfreeze from a slurpee, he actually feels like he's missing out on the experience.... Time for a rez change already (last was on the 11th), Time is Flying Legal, I will be switching to the novabloom formula...
 

legallyflying

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Totaled up the last grow....

1245 grams : 43.9 ounces : 2.74 pounds

:) felt like Tony Montana when it was all in one huge pile :)
 

frogster

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Tony Montana... thats funny... Things to do with 2.74lb of mmj.. 1. Since you mentioned Tony: break out a huge 4ft bong in front of your friends and yell- Say hello to my little friend... 2. You can stuff a pillowcase and sleep on it...3. Go to a strip club and clear the place out on a saturday night,Party at your house! Dont think the Mrs. Legal would like the clean up the next day. 4. According to 80gram you can trade it. (dont ask) 5. At random ship 1gram to 1245 various politicians and clergy, you would prob. get 1000 new customers. 6. And finally : It would be awesome to mix it with 100lb of semi cooked brownie mix. pile it on a table, mold it into a mountain and eat it till the aliens come and get you (close encounters, 3rd kind)
 

JimBro

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Interesting. I dunno what you should do. I know what I would do, but apparently, all of a sudden, I don't have any idea what the fuck I'm doing.
Don't feel bad, happens to me all the time. Sometimes it whill comghj bjadc orhgded tiz t dnt;

Im sure your buds are going to look like the leaning tower of Pisa soon..
I think you mean the leaning tower of Pizza...how embarrassing for you.

felt like Tony Montana when it was all in one huge pile
Imagine how different that movie would have been had MJ been his product.
 

frogster

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Im correct Jimbo, But your tower is interesting!
Leaning Tower of Pizza

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“Mmmmmm.... pizza....”~ Homer Simpson on The Leaning Tower of Pizza
The Leaning Tower of Pizza is not inclined as it might seem on first view. Actually it's the world under it that is twisted.


The Leaning Tower of Pizza is the only structure in Italy that is currently not demolished to make way for crack houses and apartment blocks. It is made of hundreds of pizzas that are piled up to form a tower. During the centuries, the Tower of Pizza has fallen down and been rebuilt on very many occasions. It is a mystery why a stable perpendicular tower like that of but that it happens very often is empirical fact.
One common theory about the instability of the Tower of Pizza is, that the pizzas of this tower gradually turn into pizza fungi, as they get more and more infested with fungus.
Another theory is that the hobos of Italy come to nibble on the tower for begging energy. Over many years the tower becomes lacking in stability due to the missing side that has been eaten.
The Pizza tower, moments before the cheese started to melt.


As an experiment, a statistician recently obtained four photographs of the Tower in Italy. He specifically requested that each photograph should be a view which was 90 degrees around the tower from the previous one. When he analaysed these photographs he found that two showed the tower to be vertical, one showed it leaning to the left and one showed it leaning to the right. He then obviously concluded that the Tower was in fact vertical on average. Contents

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Edit Humiliation

Due to the half-assed job that the architect did on it, the tower has been a horrible embarrassment for Italy since day one. To really rub it in, in the days following its completion Michelangelo (the rival of the tower's creator) raised a poll, collected the results, and closed it. The results showed that 110% of voters hated the tower, so it claimed the hard-hitting title 'most rubbishest building ever'. One would have thought they would have knocked or burnt it down, but they didn't. But still, it has been 800 humiliating years and the tower is still the unrivaled holder of this title.
Edit History

The tower was originally built in the 2008 by some fat, stoned Italian man to house his mistress, who was also built. Leonardo built the tower using a method of Pizza Architecture called "alternating slice/stack triangulation". He began with slices of sausage and mushroom alternating with Canadian Bacon for the first layer. Subsequent layers included ham and pineapple, pepperoni, green peppers and anchovies.
Most pizza architects agree that Leonardo's problem was that he did not use extra cheese. Extra cheese in the early layers would have caused the subsequent layers of pizza to adhere better, and would have prevented both the inherent instability and the accumulation of moisture that led to the growth of pizza fungus.
But the tower still stands still because of a unique receipt of mozzarella that prevents slipping. The fact is commonly known as mozzarellization and has become since then the most commonly used glue in the world.
This tower has been featured in the movie Deuce Bigalow: European Gigalo!
Edit Li Ning Tower of Pisa

It is not to be confused with the Li Ning Tower of Pisa, which is a monumental, phallic sculpture, designed by Pong Lee Xu, located in a park near St. Elizabeth's Hospital, a mental institution, in the suburbs of Washington, D.C.If it was not obvious enough, this tower was created by the Chinese basketball shoe company called Li Ning, known for exploiting Chinese children laborers in sweatshops and enjoying eating pizza. Their love for pizza was the reason why they created this structure.
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frogster

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Legals going for the buds that are wider than a 2 liter coke bottle... I see string (rope!) in his future.. Holding buds that are swaying in the breeze like wheat.. huge fucking wheat! Well you may have been kidding but you still made me double check myself..lol
 

JimBro

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HA!...nice. I was totally kidding, though. Actually, when I was a kid, I did think it was Pizza. I was a little dumbass, what can I say?

I never heard of that website. That's freakin' awesome.
 

legallyflying

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I heard headband was a pretty sweet strain. I have some endless sky from dr. green thumbs vegging right now. http://en.seedfinder.eu/strain-info/Endless_Sky/Dr_Greenthumb/ http://www.medicalmarijuanastrains.com/endless-sky/

I also have three Ice that are from non-feminized seeds. Going to see how that goes. God I hate seeds, I'm just not good with them, never was. Out of 10 white rhino seeds I ended up with zero females... I'm sure there were females in there but I killed them. Killed 5 seedlings the first go, then killed 2 of the next five. Vegged three of them to about 2 feet.....all males :(

Then I was like, fuck it, I live in a medical state, I'll just go buy some clones :)

The endless skys are INCREDIBLY DENSE. There are like midget plants. Interesting to see how they scrog.

Anyways, this is day 7 of flower for me. Plants are doing very well and drank up around 120 PPM of nutes from the 50 gallon rez over the course of the week. I topped of with a little balanced fresh nutes and brought it back up to around 950 last night, with a fresh dose of h2o2. Figure I'll wait till this weekend to give them a nute solution with little nitrogen and also switch back to my HPS lamps.

I installed my MH lamps as I kind of view the first week as veg.

The screen isn't packed to the kills, nor did I really expect it to be.
 

frogster

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Im PISSED! Went to the Hydro store yesterday, going to get a bottle of novabloom for my rez change,, The "GURU" with a chemistry degree talked me into Humboldts a&b... He gave the rundown, Amino acids , no salt buildups, yadda, yadda... And then he showed how you use less according to the feed chart.4-5 ml per gal. ( I cant afford all the fancy extra crap) He said the ab alone are great and dont worry about ppm,,, He said thats what he uses... well, I go home, dump the rez, start heating the water (too damn cold) and finally at 4a.m dump in the recommended amount of a then b,,,, woohoo a whopping 390ppm out of 500ml total!! Holy crap, this stuff is designed to where you have to run their whole schedule to get to the desired ppm..I thought that, but he kept telling me different. I did tell him the P was way low and the Mag was extremely low too for a complete bloom formula, he claimed its alright.... I call bullshit on this product and im going back today to get the crap I want. I also see their ONENESS product, an all in one, but on the feed schedule it calls for all the other crap also, sea mag etc etc.... I believe the whole product line may be a decent line (plenty of good repots), but I cant afford it... 500ml of novabloom would put me at 1000ppm , and it has plenty of n,p,k and mag... Although I will check out the dyna grow combo that Homebrew used on his nute comparison...
 

frogster

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Maybe not Legal. I spent about 5hrs today at the hydro store,,, testing each of the humboldt products per ml per gallon... 1ml of a or b =30ppm increase... the sea mag is 20ppm per 1ml per gallon and the ginormous is 65ppm... Upon speaking with the company rep he explained that since the formula doesnt have the same salts as other brands that the ppm will be lower (thats the easy to understand version), but the nutes will still be available... Considering a quart of the sea mag&ginourmous will last through the entire grow and i damn sure dont want to change out my rez again, , I went ahead and bit the bullet and bought them... I have read nothing but great things from everyone who has used these nutes,,, they will also work better with my bennies& have a better nute available over the ph spectrum... Guess it wont take long to find out..
 

legallyflying

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Wait a minute. Page 4 paragraph C of the 2011 SCROG OFF clearly states no switching of nutrient lines during the competition. I thought you were going to run GH schwag the whole run. Going to have to put it to the judges...
 

frogster

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Break out the rule book because you may really love my next possible move.. was going to post it, But I will wait to see if I can do it...
 

jimbizzzale67123

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Fuckin hydro shops, the place I go too always tries and stops me from spending money. I asked about why they didn't sell advanced nutrients they said, they sell some other over priced brand with 10 different bottles and fancy labels. He grabs a bottle of floranova and says this has everything in it that those 5 different bottles do and its 1/8 of the price.
 

legallyflying

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Yeah. The shops can make or break you. Hard to get solid advice at times. A hydro owner that I trust steered me towards botanicare with limited suplements and I have been really happy. He told me that over the last 7 years he tried them all and always came back to botanicare.

Frogster, I'm excited to see what this big change is. It's not real light bulbs is it? :)
 

frogster

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OK, I will spill the beanz, I am working on separating my room, and using 2000watts over the scrog for 12hrs, then the lights go over the supercropped girls for 12hrs.... I have the venting, light seperation and the control box figured out.. Just wondering about the light rail being turned to move the lights, prob. just move the lights manually everyday.... The extra yield should be worth the hassle for now....
 

JimBro

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Apparently, legallyflying didn't see Amendment 14 to Paragraph C of page 4 ratified by me and the dude in my avatar that clearly states that since this is Frogster's first grow, he can change up anything he wants because, honestly, he's going to end up like that guy in my avatar if he doesn't. Don't take offense, though, Froggy, because this is coming from a tool holding a bear cub and a cat that threw two regular seeds in a DWC scrog only to find out two months later they were both dudes...and then grew out another one that is starting to look a little boyish. If Jack Herer weren't already dead, I'd kill him. Too soon for JH jokes?

Nutrients are one aspect of growing I have neglected to study so far. I don't have an EC meter, so I have just been using RO water and the Lucas formula with 'GH schwag'. I'm assuming you advise against that, Legal (or Frog, or Atheist)? I guess I gotta step up my game at some point, eh?
 
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