1st time main-lining journal......

Bastard.

I just wrote about what's happening and then wham iPhone fucks up and lose it all.

Briefly.
Day 57 of 12/12 today.

Critical and OG are being cut on Sunday.
Expecting
Critical clone +20g
Critical clone +20g
Critical mainline +4oz looking more like between 5-6.

Og clone around 14g
OG mainline 2-3oz

Pineapple needs another 7-10 days
Clone 18g
Mainline 4-5oz.

So I should be somewhere near 15oz again from my 400w.

If only I ran a full critical+ grow. Could have been looking at around a 20oz haul from 4 plants mainlined. Lol.



J
 
How big of an area is that in? I believe you could hit 20+ with the Critical+ those things yield buckets.
 
How big of an area is that in? I believe you could hit 20+ with the Critical+ those things yield buckets.

My footprint at present with the adjustawing reflector is about 3.2x3.2.


I think I'm going to run pure critical from seed next time and mainline all 4.

Well maybe not next time as I've got 4xDINAFEM CHEESE clones about to be cut from a friend.

But same friend also has fruity chronic juice mother and the critical+ that I just used as a top clone mother.


So I'm spoilt a little for choice right now lol.



J
 
j do u recon my temp controller would still keep the temps down without my cooltube set up, i like the look of the adjusta wing i was gona get it before my cooltube but needed to get temps down so went with cooltube
 
j do u recon my temp controller would still keep the temps down without my cooltube set up, i like the look of the adjusta wing i was gona get it before my cooltube but needed to get temps down so went with cooltube

What temp can you achieve with your cooltube setup running your fans on max?

If you can get down around 20C at ambient then yes it should be doable in an open reflector.

Remember though I intake air directly from outside and exhaust out of my closet to the attic.




J
 
Couple of pics to show you the critical.

Here's 2 pics of a critical clone.
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Critical mainline one of eight heads
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Critical mainline secondary cola caused by the supercropping I had to do. Around 16 of these.
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Other critical clone cola
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Some other shots

Critical mainline
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Room
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Today marks day 59 of 12/12.

Got a hectic night so chopping critical's and OG KUSH tomorrow now.



J
 
Pictures....
My emotions have gone passed envy to actual jealousy
In pictures 3, 4 and 5 I want to lean in and slap the hand away
"Stop touching!"

They look superb!

As for your choice of cutings/seeds, it's the opposite in my area.
My cousin called, yesterday, and tried to get me to allow him to take cuttings from my 4 week old Veggies....

He received a negative response at the suggestion
(A disbelieving look with the words "Fuck off" said with a rising question intonation - to avoid causing offense but emphasise my incredulity at the preposterousness of his suggestion).

Someone recommended Dinafem Critical + to me, once.
I'll wait till I feel confident enough to try mainlining

I also like the look of T H Seeds Dark Star and Critical Hog
(Video on TheAttitude is AWESOME!).
 
Pictures....
My emotions have gone passed envy to actual jealousy
In pictures 3, 4 and 5 I want to lean in and slap the hand away
"Stop touching!"

They look superb!

As for your choice of cutings/seeds, it's the opposite in my area.
My cousin called, yesterday, and tried to get me to allow him to take cuttings from my 4 week old Veggies....

He received a negative response at the suggestion
(A disbelieving look with the words "Fuck off" said with a rising question intonation - to avoid causing offense but emphasise my incredulity at the preposterousness of his suggestion).

Someone recommended Dinafem Critical + to me, once.
I'll wait till I feel confident enough to try mainlining

I also like the look of T H Seeds Dark Star and Critical Hog
(Video on TheAttitude is AWESOME!).

Thanks for the kind words.

So your cousin, who helped you initially setup, then give you advice on what to do (granted incorrect advice), now wants some clones from your vegging plants, lol classic. I give you a couple of little snipitts of how to use hydro and he wants some of what you've got.

Has he managed to kill the ones he was working with?

Has he seen your plants?



J
 
Thanks for the kind words.

So your cousin, who helped you initially setup, then give you advice on what to do (granted incorrect advice), now wants some clones from your vegging plants, lol classic. I give you a couple of little snipitts of how to use hydro and he wants some of what you've got.

Has he managed to kill the ones he was working with?

Has he seen your plants?



J

I think I told you....?
He'd given them Aqua Flores A&B from day one of VEG to the last day of FLOWER.
It was only when he took me to see them, to get my opinion about why they were so rubbish this time, that the problem was worked out.

"Where's your Aqua Vega, Jonathan?"
"It's there, Paul"
"No, Jonathan. This is FLORES A & B - for flowering. Where's the stuff you gave them during their VEG stage....?"
A sudden flash of realisation crosses his face.
"FUCK!!! FUCK!!! I've done this for six years....How could I have made such a basic mistake?"

Luckily for him he knows people who are even thicker.
Every gram of his crop was sold within a few hours of being cropped - Wet as anything but at DRY prices....!!!
He got £800 (which he reckons is about a third of the usual and 25% of his better yields.
Allowing for his drunken exaggeration I would guestimate that he normally gets 25% to a third more.

I told him that I would take enough cuttings for me and him after they had had 2 weeks of flowering time. (I'm sure that's what I read or was advised as the best time to take cuttings - from non-Mother plants, in a perpetual grow situation???).
To start cutting away branches now, when they're at the stage of 3 week veg plants, would've been too much for them.
It's only the last ten days that they've REALLY started to go from strength to strength.

He never takes pH or EC but, luckily for him, lives in an area with 0.2 water.
By following his 'recipe' my plants were nearly nute burned to death!

I don't want to memorise parrot fashion 'recipe's'.
I want to have the knowledge to take readings and adjust nutes accordingly.

He's seen my plants and he thinks they're doing well BUT he advise me to veg them 5 or 6 weeks (now it's 4 week 3 days).
AND, during flower, to add Bud Blood and Overdrive and Boost....
TBH it sounds like bullshit, to me.

I will keep my Aqua Vega A/B at the same strength (12ml of each for every 10 lt)
Cannazym at the same (25ml for every 1o lt)
but stop it after 2nd week of flowering
and Rhizotonic will reduce (from 20ml per 10 lt) during VEG
(to 5ml per 10 lt) during FLOWER.
I am not changing from VEGA to FLORES
I am not introducing PK 13/14
In the words of someone I trust and respect -
"Boost is BULLSHIT!" so I'll not be using that.

As for all the other BUD boosters that Jonathan keeps recommending
My EC can't exceed 1.2 so adding anything would mean deducting something else....
 
j im going to set it up with open hood under the 400mh for a week or 2 of 18/6 just venting out the window again and intake from the room tent is in, see how it goes then decide if i want 2 open hoods or 2 cooltubes for my 2.4 but the 2.4 will be vented into attic but still intake from the room tent is in.....

just been a bit lazy with havin tubs of bud to blast haha will get the veggers in this week tho i still need soil i think im going for tomorrow
 
j im going to set it up with open hood under the 400mh for a week or 2 of 18/6 just venting out the window again and intake from the room tent is in, see how it goes then decide if i want 2 open hoods or 2 cooltubes for my 2.4 but the 2.4 will be vented into attic but still intake from the room tent is in.....

just been a bit lazy with havin tubs of bud to blast haha will get the veggers in this week tho i still need soil i think im going for tomorrow

I'm always lazy when I harvest.

I feel its a right that I've earned for the work I put into the grow.

Otherwise when in the hell would I enjoy my crop. Lol.

So a bit of "holy fuck" moment, go to sleep last night, wake up this morning and 31 likes received lol. Where did that come from lol.



J
 
I think I told you....?
He'd given them Aqua Flores A&B from day one of VEG to the last day of FLOWER.
It was only when he took me to see them, to get my opinion about why they were so rubbish this time, that the problem was worked out.

"Where's your Aqua Vega, Jonathan?"
"It's there, Paul"
"No, Jonathan. This is FLORES A & B - for flowering. Where's the stuff you gave them during their VEG stage....?"
A sudden flash of realisation crosses his face.
"FUCK!!! FUCK!!! I've done this for six years....How could I have made such a basic mistake?"

Luckily for him he knows people who are even thicker.
Every gram of his crop was sold within a few hours of being cropped - Wet as anything but at DRY prices....!!!
He got £800 (which he reckons is about a third of the usual and 25% of his better yields.
Allowing for his drunken exaggeration I would guestimate that he normally gets 25% to a third more.

I told him that I would take enough cuttings for me and him after they had had 2 weeks of flowering time. (I'm sure that's what I read or was advised as the best time to take cuttings - from non-Mother plants, in a perpetual grow situation???).
To start cutting away branches now, when they're at the stage of 3 week veg plants, would've been too much for them.
It's only the last ten days that they've REALLY started to go from strength to strength.

He never takes pH or EC but, luckily for him, lives in an area with 0.2 water.
By following his 'recipe' my plants were nearly nute burned to death!

I don't want to memorise parrot fashion 'recipe's'.
I want to have the knowledge to take readings and adjust nutes accordingly.

He's seen my plants and he thinks they're doing well BUT he advise me to veg them 5 or 6 weeks (now it's 4 week 3 days).
AND, during flower, to add Bud Blood and Overdrive and Boost....
TBH it sounds like bullshit, to me.

I will keep my Aqua Vega A/B at the same strength (12ml of each for every 10 lt)
Cannazym at the same (25ml for every 1o lt)
but stop it after 2nd week of flowering
and Rhizotonic will reduce (from 20ml per 10 lt) during VEG
(to 5ml per 10 lt) during FLOWER.
I am not changing from VEGA to FLORES
I am not introducing PK 13/14
In the words of someone I trust and respect -
"Boost is BULLSHIT!" so I'll not be using that.

As for all the other BUD boosters that Jonathan keeps recommending
My EC can't exceed 1.2 so adding anything would mean deducting something else....


So he also uses the advanced nutrients bullshit too. Lol.

The fact that he sold it all wet says everything that I need to know about him!



J
 
j im going to set it up with open hood under the 400mh for a week or 2 of 18/6 just venting out the window again and intake from the room tent is in, see how it goes then decide if i want 2 open hoods or 2 cooltubes for my 2.4 but the 2.4 will be vented into attic but still intake from the room tent is in.....

just been a bit lazy with havin tubs of bud to blast haha will get the veggers in this week tho i still need soil i think im going for tomorrow

If you live in the Northern Hemisphere I'm guessing now is the best time to try using open reflectors....?
It's the easiest time to battle heat due to the ambient temps being low.

I'm using a 8"RvK and 3 x 600w (open hoods) in a 8 x 4 tent...
But, come summer time, I'm expecting to have to use the 12" RvK AND possibly use cooltubes (rigged to the 8").
 
well herb man j is the man to be asking like,

but i like to keep control of the canopy and get all nice buds get the light same distance from most buds and not just the apical..... saves trimming time and loads shitty popcorn buds


im yet to achieve what i should be in my 4x4 with my light and that
 
Budolskie and J, what are your overall views on Mainlining now your both vets I'm still undecided between this and LST for my next batch.

Hey herb.

Personally I like its uniformity.

My critical+ for example has 8 equal heads. When topping for 4 or 8 etc or even LST I found although similar in size there was always a difference between colas.

I'll let you know in 7-10 days whether I've achieved what I think I've achieved with the critical.

Last run with simple topping and a little LST I achieved 4oz from critical.

Based on flower formations now and the size of secondary growth I could be on for as much as 6oz of top shelf grade A buds from the one plant.


Overall - I'm happy with mainlining. I may try a couple of 16 headed mainlines next time I try it.

Will I try it again? Most DEFINATELY!!!

Does it work best with certain strains? I think so. Critical has taken really well to it as to has pineapple skunk. The OG KUSH on the other hand hasn't really taken to it but OG is a notoriously low yield anyway.


I think the trick is to find a strain that responds really well to it and just keep using it.



J
 
ii will deffo be doing it again, i will be back with pics of my new grow in couple days once i get them in 18ltrs and start training them
 
Thanks for the response guys been kinda busy lately so haven't kept up with this grow.

Now that I've figured out how to LST in grow bags I will do that for my next batch coming out of veg soon.

Will read through the latter part of this thread to catch up on the joys and pain of this grow, then when I feel I have a nice candidate and I'm ready I will give this method a try.
 
Overall - I'm happy with mainlining. I may try a couple of 16 headed mainlines next time I try it.

Will I try it again? Most DEFINATELY!!!

Does it work best with certain strains? I think so. Critical has taken really well to it as to has pineapple skunk. The OG KUSH on the other hand hasn't really taken to it but OG is a notoriously low yield anyway.


I think the trick is to find a strain that responds really well to it and just keep using it.



J

On a side note I've been doing my own little breeding program and have crossed a Critical + Auto with an OG Kush the plants are coming out Critical + dominant and one looks straight Kush.

So I can afford another little experiment.

3 cheers for free seeds, lol.
 
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