Obama using kids as human shields...

[NLXSK1]

lol!

why do you think he had to find another path?

was it because he was deterred?

dumbass.

What executive order is Obama signing that would have prevented Adam Lanza from obtaining that gun and killing those kids?

 

[fdd2blk]

lol!

why do you think he had to find another path?

was it because he was deterred?

dumbass.

YOU'RE funny.

 

[UncleBuck]

What executive order is Obama signing that would have prevented Adam Lanza from obtaining that gun and killing those kids?

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

 

[fdd2blk]

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

that surely would have stopped him, dead in his tracks.

 

[UncleBuck]

that surely would have stopped him, dead in his tracks.

all it would have taken was a good gun safe.

 

[NLXSK1]

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

YOu are kidding, right?

Which one of those would have saved those kids again?

 

[NLXSK1]

all it would have taken was a good gun safe.

Wait... A minute ago he was deterred by a background check but managed to obtain the guns....

But somehow you are certain that a *good* gun safe would have ended the issue right there and he would not have tried other means to obtain weapons???

UB < Reality....

 

[UncleBuck]

YOu are kidding, right?

Which one of those would have saved those kids again?

how does england save money on health care with simple health awareness campaigns?

 

[UncleBuck]

Wait... A minute ago he was deterred by a background check but managed to obtain the guns....

But somehow you are certain that a *good* gun safe would have ended the issue right there and he would not have tried other means to obtain weapons???

UB < Reality....

so he won't do a background check, he can't steal his mom's guns, what else can he do? you do know that he wasn't exactly competent at interacting with other people, right?

 

[NLXSK1]

how does england save money on health care with simple health awareness campaigns?

I dont think they do, I think it is bullshit...

Preventative care does not prevent cost if you have to deal with health issues later on... Why cant liberals think this shit through?

 

[NLXSK1]

so he won't do a background check, he can't steal his mom's guns, what else can he do? you do know that he wasn't exactly competent at interacting with other people, right?

No, was he a friend of yours?

Do tell...

 

[UncleBuck]

I dont think they do, I think it is bullshit...

you can't tell the difference between actual polls and someone's raging hate boner polls, yet you know better than the NHS.

yep, you're retarded alright.

 

[UncleBuck]

No, was he a friend of yours?

Do tell...

do you know what autism is?

 

[NLXSK1]

you can't tell the difference between actual polls and someone's raging hate boner polls, yet you know better than the NHS.

yep, you're retarded alright.

Lets say you use preventative medicine to help someone with diabetes and they live until 80 instead of 60. How much money is the government going to save by paying 20 more years of healthcare costs for that person?

Preventative healthcare does not ultimately save any money for the government. I seriously doubt that preventative care works better anywhere else.

 

[NLXSK1]

do you know what autism is?

After watching you post for over 6 months I should be an expert on it...

 

[UncleBuck]

Lets say you use preventative medicine to help someone with diabetes and they live until 80 instead of 60. How much money is the government going to save by paying 20 more years of healthcare costs for that person?

Preventative healthcare does not ultimately save any money for the government. I seriously doubt that preventative care works better anywhere else.

so your solution is compulsory execution?

the NHS already does it for way less than we do. go enlighten them on how to save even more money, right after you unskew some polls, learn how to spell simple words, and use apostrophes correctly.

 

[fssalaska]

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[UncleBuck]

After watching you post for over 6 months I should be an expert on it...

you're clearly a man of esteem and country.

 

[NLXSK1]

so your solution is compulsory execution?

the NHS already does it for way less than we do. go enlighten them on how to save even more money, right after you unskew some polls, learn how to spell simple words, and use apostrophes correctly.

Says the guy who doesnt know what a capital letter is.. Troll more...

What I am saying AGAIN is that preventative medicine does not reduce overall health care costs. Since you have jumped to personal attacks I realize I won yet another argument against you... not that it is an achievement or anything... kinda routine.

 

[Dr Kynes]

I have several guns, purchased them legally and keep them locked up in a safe manner. I fully support the 2nd amendment because I love having guns. I don't hunt, and I rarely take them to the range, or out to my parents place in the country to shoot. I would hate for the government to come in and take my guns away from me which I paid for legally from working hard.

goodie for you.

BUT.....

we all saw that coming.

I do agree that we need more regulations with guns. We need to make it harder for people to purchase guns, have a more extensive background check on those purchasing them, and not just for hand guns and assault rifles.

the sale of "assault rifles" has been strictly controlled since 1968, and tightly controlled before that going back to 1937. if you have ever even SEEN a fully automatic weapon outside the control of military service or the police you are one of the very few.
tighter restrictions on automatic weapons already covered under the omnibus crime bill of 1968 is ridiculous. maybbe we need an DOUBLE SECRET PROHIBITION on guns you dont like. it's worked so well for heroin coke speed and weed. why not.

Did you know that there is no federal law that prohibits a gun dealer to sell a gun to someone who is drunk or high? The ATF just "frowns upon" those types of sales, but if someone where to sell to a person who is drunk they would face no penalty. Gun dealers are not required by the federal law to turn in their firearm inventory. Again, the ATF just recommends to gun dealers that they take an inventory once a year and turn it in on their own. The ATF does not have an actual director, which by the way, the old director was let go back during the Bush administration....sounds pretty dumb to me. The current "acting" director of the ATF is a guy from, I think, Minnesota, and he is, again I think, the attorney general up there. But, the truth of the matter is the current "acting" director of the ATF already has a full time job in either Minnesota or Wisconsin, for which he spends most of his time there and only commutes from time to time to DC to do some part time work for the ATF.

aww wee need more revenue agents? cuz the aft is doing such a bangup job already we should have more of them?
the BATFE is a revenue agency. it is a subbsidiary of the TREASURY department, not justice. they are tax collectors not lawmen. this is why the BATFE are the ones who start the standoffs with people exercising their rights under the constitution (see waco ruby ridge and the freemen for more details)

As for restricting magazine sizes I'm all for it. Why do I need more than the typical 10 shot clip? There is no reason in hell that I would need more than 10 shots in a clip. If someone breaks into my house while I'm there I definitely won't need more than 3 shots to take care of the problem, if need be. Most intruders would run at the sound of the first shot going off, and yes, I live in a very bad part of town, and yes I've had my house broken into 4 times in the past year and a half. If you can't take care of an intruder with less than 5 shots then you are obviously a horrible shot. If you are a hunter then why do you need an assault rifle? You can't use them to hunt with, atleast in the state that I live. I'm sure the deer/moose/turkey/bear/ or whatever else you hunt won't be shooting back with an uzi.

no. just NO. magazines are not "clips".
you cant just pop off a round or two and see if the perp runs away.
if youre fighting for your life in a home invasion robbery you will want every shot you can get.
"The number of bullets fired by officers dropped to 540 in 2006 from 1,292 in 1996 — the first year that the city’s housing, transit and regular patrol forces were merged — with a few years of even lower numbers in between. Police officers opened fire 60 times at people in 2006, down from 147 in 1996." ~http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/08/nyregion/08nypd.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
which means: 540 rounds fired by police divided by 60 shootings = an average of 9 rounds fired by the cops per shooting incident in 2006. your claaaims are increasingly doubtful.

The argument that people need these assault rifles and extra large magazine capacities is so the government doesn't take over. Well, that just sounds like a bunch of ignorance to me.

thomas jefferson, tench coxe, george washington, alexander hamilton aaron burr and john adams were such ignorant dunces.

How the hell could the government take over? Seriously? What are they going to do, order the military to go to war with the citizens?

yes. exactly. thats how somaliaa went from being a democracy to a socialist dictatorship overnight, and when that dictatorship fell 15 years later, anarchy.

Don't you think the people in the military has family members? The military isn't a bunch of robots and clones. They do have a mind of their own, regardless of what their superior officers may tell them, they do know what is right from wrong and would not go to war against the United States citizens. So that leaves who? O.K., I'll play your game, lets say the military does agree to go to war against us citizens. Do you really think just because you have an assault rifle, a hand gun with 30 round clips, and a trunk full of ammo is going to do anything against fighter jets, drones, high powered weapons, missles, tanks, and what ever else the military has to play with? Do you really think it would matter? Sure you may be able to fight for all of 10 minutes and say, "I stood my ground and died with dignity", sounds like a bunch of crap to me that people who think they are tough say.

yeah, internet tough guys like THE RECIPIENTS OF THE MEDAL OF HONOR.
what pussies.

Other than that, lets say the military does agree and goes to war with the citizens, they start using their high powered equipment to "defeat" us. Don't you think all those other countries out there in the world would step in and stop it? We are not the only country in the world you know. I'm sure the United States wouldn't do anything stupid like that because all it would do is destroy the entire United States and we would not be a super power anymore and that would leave us open to attacks from foreign countries, as if that would really happen either in this day and age and all the super power allies we have.

america in the throes of a civil war or reverting to despotism would be grand news for china, the EU and most of our "allies". shaudenfruede alone would keep nato from coming to the assitance of any side in an american civil war, and if they DO come in to help, they will help the government, not we the people.

Stop being so "elementary" in thought people.

wow you must be so advanced in your thinking. im so impressed by your ability to declare every dissent as "elementary" (a word you use to imply "childish" or "juvenile") that i cannot recognize that your own thoughts are (prepare for the PROPER word for your context) SOPHOMORIC!

England has a ban on all guns, police don't even have them. Did you know that in, it was either, 2011 or 2010, that England only had 45 gun deaths for the entire year. America has well over 10,000 a year. I'm not saying to get rid of all our guns. What I am saying is that it's not that crazy of an idea to put limitations on the magazine sizes, deeper back ground checks, a registry with everyones names, addresses, and what they purchased on file with the government.

england is also slightly smaller than oregon. england also does not share a border with a third world kleptocracy run by drug gangs.

Hell, they kind of already do something similar with ballistics. Every gun I have purchased has a spent cartridge that comes with it, and they do that because why?......

a spent shell accompanying a firearm is a "Proof", not a ballistic sample for the government records. the only ballistics databased kept in the US are of bullets from crime scenes, from arms taken at crimescenes and those issued to lawmen.
that is not a national requirement, nor is it required in california. it USED to be the custom that a spent shell be supplied with guns as "proof" of it's readyness to be fired.

I suggest people to do their homework on our current gun laws, do homework on different nations who have banned guns altogether and see what their murder rates are, I also suggest people watch a clip that John Stewart did on the ATF and our gun laws....sure I know, he has a comedy news show, but he does tell the truth on the issue.

i suggest you learn you sum book as well since you are woefully ignorant of the issue.

Here are some more interesting tidbits on the ATF and gun laws in America...

"The ATF isn't allowed to inspect gun dealers for inventory more than once a year, and in reality inspections are done at an actual rate of about one every 17 years" ---fact codified by an act of congress in 1986 to stop ATF harassment of gun dealers and FFL holders. FACT!
"The ATF only has around 2500 agents working for them"----fact Seems rather small since they control Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms number of FDA employees assigned to monitor theentire bottled water industry - 1----- FACT!
"Self reporting inventories do not work since the ATF was barred from requiring gun dealers to take inventories" ---fact because up till '86 the atf would demand new inventories far too often as a means of harassment of gun dealers and FFL holders. FACT!
Here is more on the last fact I just posted....."Ten years ago a congressman stuck an amendment into a federal spending bill that restricted the ATF's abilities to enforce gun laws. It allowed dealers to ignore police requests for assistance, it denied congress gun crime data, ended oversight of used firearm sales, it required the destruction of background check records within 24 hours. The person who was responsible for this bill was Todd Tiahrt." Now this guy is saying that the ATF should be handling this situation with gun laws, even though he just chopped their legs out from under them." the atf is a REVENUE agency. they should collect the taxes levied by congress and STFU. instead they use their non-existant "regulatory power" to harass lawful gun owners, gun manufacturers gun dealer, gun importers, gun exporters and people who make their own ammunition. FACT!

Do some fact checking on this....I dare ya. already done FACT!!

As John Stewart said...."it's not our job at the ATF to tell you you can't sell guns to drunk people.....I will say this though, you can sell guns to drunk people, but if those drunk motherfuckers try to get in a car and drive home you take them down".

jon stewart is a comedian, FACT!
if you get your information from jon stewartt your getting JOKES , FACT!

class dismissed.