World Of Hempy

drdank50

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Still in the planning stages of my next grow, have the babies in hempy style coco dixie cups atm and love the progress so far, Is coco an easier way to grow hempy then pure perlite or is perlite the ideal way to go for growth rate, i want a short veg this time around and would hate to sacrifice in yield.
Cali, I would suggest going coco from what I've learned here at WOH. Coco hempys veg faster than any other medium thus far (jela10, please correct me if I'm wrong). Canna coco seems to be perfect straight out of the bag and not requiring a flush to remove salts.

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Would be nice if RIU had a mobile app :(
 

CaliMackdaddy

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Cali, I would suggest going coco from what I've learned here at WOH. Coco hempys veg faster than any other medium thus far (jela10, please correct me if I'm wrong). Canna coco seems to be perfect straight out of the bag and not requiring a flush to remove salts.

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Would be nice if RIU had a mobile app :(
Was going to be using the GH Cocotek, canna seems a bit pricey and from what i heard their all basically the same, i already flushed and treated the cocotek, came out at 45ppm runoff.
 

WattSaver

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Do you just put cutting straight into soil? What are your steps to cloning in soil?
Soak the soil in cup and let sit until it reaches rm temp.
Cut clones - I like big clones and cut at 45 angle 1/2" below the 3rd node then remove the branch and leaf of the bottom node, I take the razor and put a few lite cuts in the stalk in the rooting area.
Dip in rooting hormone either gel or I dip in superthrive and then into powder hormone.
Put in humidity dome keep moist and is finished in 2wks.
 

jela10

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Cali, I would suggest going coco from what I've learned here at WOH. Coco hempys veg faster than any other medium thus far (jela10, please correct me if I'm wrong). Canna coco seems to be perfect straight out of the bag and not requiring a flush to remove salts.

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Would be nice if RIU had a mobile app :(
I'm right there with Dank.....perlite needs a lot of daily attention til roots hit res....coco wicks upwards so well you can fill the res half way on the day you transplant and not water for 5-7 days. I got so comfortable with it, I germ'ed seeds right in the bucket and never transplanted. We have a huge perlite users population here and I don't want to suggest perlite is bad in any way. It was the original "hempy bucket". But Dalhi Hempy himself made the switch to coco and never looked back so I took that direction too. I've never been disappointed, only amazed.
Dank, I got the RIU app on my Android...you doing a iPhone or something?
 

drdank50

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I'm right there with Dank.....perlite needs a lot of daily attention til roots hit res....coco wicks upwards so well you can fill the res half way on the day you transplant and not water for 5-7 days. I got so comfortable with it, I germ'ed seeds right in the bucket and never transplanted. We have a huge perlite users population here and I don't want to suggest perlite is bad in any way. It was the original "hempy bucket". But Dalhi Hempy himself made the switch to coco and never looked back so I took that direction too. I've never been disappointed, only amazed.
Dank, I got the RIU app on my Android...you doing a iPhone or something?
Yeah I'm iPhone :( Guess its time to switch, but I'm jailbroken and really like the UI.
 

jela10

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Jela10, massive buds! Is that the pineapple express? How does she smell? I have a bean I'll be popping next fall an looking at yours is making me want to do it sooner! Who knew miller lite would be so beneficial to plants ;)
This is robust strain Dank...growth is awesome with a 40-45" manageable height. Smell of one pheno is of tangerine...like those sugar coated gummy orange crescent candies from when we were kids. The other, is fruity sweet with hint of earthy musk to round it off. There is a skunk smell in the fan leaves, it's unnoticeable during the grow unless you are trimming them back or discarding them.
 

jela10

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For those new to the hempy method and/or wanting the deep dive on who made it popular..here is a link to a forum where Dali Hempy shows how to do coco in a hempy bucket. He didn't invent the idea but picked up on it and proliferated it. Look out for some flames in the thread,,,it's kind of funny. He gets very upset when people start suggesting improvements like blubbers and pumps an whatnot. After all, his goal was to show you how simple hydro can be. He was a Sativa man....did the tall stuff.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=147954
 

jela10

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When using the coco method do you full perlite to the hole or a little bit above?
It's best to run the perlite a tiny bit above the hole to keep the fine coco from escaping...water flushes faster through the perlite at hole level ensuring things stay clean in the res. I glue on some plastic window screen across the hole to keep the perlite from falling out. What size container you thinking of growing in?
 

CaliMackdaddy

Active Member
It's best to run the perlite a tiny bit above the hole to keep the fine coco from escaping...water flushes faster through the perlite at hole level ensuring things stay clean in the res. I glue on some plastic window screen across the hole to keep the perlite from falling out. What size container you thinking of growing in?
Most likely those black 3 gallon buckets, 5 of them in my 3x3 tent.
 

CaliMackdaddy

Active Member
Roughly a week old, feeding with .4ec of veg bloom, chunky perlite down bellow. Roughly a week old now, ones in pure coco were transplanted yesterday.

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Dr.J20

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Fair warnings: as you can see, this is long. Also, I've posted in the plant problems forum too, so its a repost, apologies. but fellow hempy adventurers, your advice would be infinitely superior to the unacquainted, unfamiliar, and uninitiated into the world of hempy. So, for those with a minute to spare, please, please please, read on.....

I'm in week 7 of flower for these girls, just trying to squeak out a crop and convince my flatmates to let me have another go at it. Serious issues here, and apologies for not documenting better but life has been crazy.


First, this is a boneheaded grow, so don't fucking flame me and shit, i know its crazy, it was an experiment and I learned my lessons.


Medium: 75:25 Chunky Perlite:FFOF
Container: Hempy bucket (5gal bucket, hole two inches up)
Nutes: Earth Juice (Grow, Bloom, Catalyst, just purchased Microblast but haven't used it yet)
Environment: 4x2 Grow tent in insulated attached storage shed;
Lights: 3 4x4' T5, all Fulham Racehorses, 1 badboy, 2 fluorogrow evergreens
Bulbs: in order: BLOOM/GROW/BLOOM/BLOOM/Flora Sun/Flora Sun/ Flora Sun/ Flora Sun/ BLOOM/GROW/BLOOM/ BLOOM; thats 12 bulbs, for 648
Temperature: Lights off lows get down in the 50s sometimes, lights on stays around the 70s but can creep up into the 80s, and I've seen a max temp in the 90s but the tent was closed up
RH: constant 40-60%
Water: Bubbled tap when not feeding, RO when feeding.
Genetics: 2 NorthernBerry from PeakSeeds and a Banana Kush from a buddy of mine.


Ok, So I've probably fucked up two or three major things fromt he get-go with this grow but live and learn, right?
The medium is basically a half-assed job: I had some ffof left over from a 12/12 FS run I did with LEDs and some CFLs for a competitive little endeavor. That didn't go so well and so I started these gals with a commitment to experimenting with a modified hempy. I was planning on doing DocBud's OC+ style and started my seeds in his awesome seed starting method (Soaked seed, party cup mini-hempy filled with perlite, then 50:50 Perlite:FFOF, then the top two inches of straight FFOF where the soaked seed is planted, works every time) but realized I had a shit ton of the 50:50 FFOF mixed up already. So, being a bit baked and pressed for time, I decided I could just eyeball it out and make some 75:25 perlite:FFOF mix, the FFOF would work like vermiculite in the traditional hempy mix, and the soil would not only help buffer pH, but also provide a little extra nutrient for the gals through veg.


When it came time to transplant from the mini hempies, I had beautiful gals ready to go and so I made a hole in three 5 gallon buckets, about two inches from the bottom, filled them past the hole with perlite to have a good reservoir base, and then in with the 75:25 mix. I watered well at transplant, using some FF Microbe Brew--side note, i used this stuff for every feeding until I had to go out of town during the 4th week of flowering right at the end of the stretch; when I got back from being gone for a week, horrible problems had occurred and before I mixed up new nutes, I found mold growing in the FF Microbe brew bottle; more on this later.


These girls did great in their new homes for a total veg time of 5 weeks. I bubbled my EJ blends and added in catalyst per the 2011 tutorial here on RIU. Per the same guide, I was not pH'ing anything. Part of the attraction of trying this was being able to sustain some better organic culture in a hempy style grow. In other words, try to get some of the flavor and smell advantages of organic in a hempy grow. I also did not have the money to replace a broken pH meter, and, being as I was in experimental territory with my medium, that probably bit me hugely in the ass now.


So, I rigged up a 13 gallon reservoir and two submersible pumps (one roughly twice the power of the other) with some tubing and spiltters for a ghetto-rigged automatic watering assembly because I needed to get out of town for about 10 days. I set it up nicely so that the hempies would be watered for 8 minutes, once at lights on, once every 3rd day. As mentioned above, I returned to find the girls looking like they were starving for nitrogen: very stereotypical yellowing of lower foliage etc. And at this point I noticed some light burn, also some reddish purplish on the stems which I attributed to lower than ideal temps at lights off. I checked my res and it had some gross looking stuff in it by that point, even with bubbling and covering the top to preven light and debris from getting in. I cloroxed the reservoir, completely cleaned it and refilled it with some tap water that I superchlorinated to try to get out some of the chloramines (something i had been fixated upon unnecessarily the whole time trying to use water from my local supply). Cleaned out my pumps and rerigged them to water again every third day at lights on because I was called out of town for a week suddenly after being home only one day.


So, when I got back from that week away, things had just progressed. I immediately ordered a ph meter because I was sure it was pH lockout. I was seeing random deficiencies sprouting all over all three girls, with different ones presenting as the worst. My best Northernberry looks mostly N Def.; the other NB seems to have some standard Cal and Mag Def. with P-def.; the banana kush is definitely k- and p- along with cal- and mag deficient. So with all these and having them sprout randomly throughout each plant instead of progressing bottom to top (for the mobile ones), i figured it was probably going to be a pH issue.


But, I didn't have a meter and they were due for a feeding after getting only water, so I gave a super heavy feeding becasue, what the fuck, it could just be a shit ton of deficiency, thats what some people say about EJ, right?
That didnt' help.
I know not to expect things to change immediately but that was last week, I've got my pH meter, and i've run my little experiments:
All of the pH'd tap water that I watered with today (ph to 6.5) came out between 5.8 and 6.1 as run-off.
So my question is, if that's in range, do I just have some massive deficiencies that can be adjusted by bubbling up a thicker soup of EJ nutes?
Should I switch to something else?
Should I drill holes in the bottoms of these buckets, turn them into straight planters, and see if its an overwatering issue?
Could it be the low temps?
Do I just need to add Cal-Mag/Epsom asap?
-Or-
Could the fact that the pH of the run-off was lower mean that my medium-pH is way low and has been all along because of the notedly drastic pH-lowering effects of EJ? Since I wasn't checking my pH at all when I was feeding before I had the meter, I can't really know, but if anyone has any thoughts I sure would appreciate some help!!

For water experts, my TA is 38, cal at avg. 7ppm, pH about 7.5

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Thanks for any help!
Be easy!
Dr. J
 

psilocybindude

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Hey guys whats up, i am a noob grower/long time reader getting ready for my second grow and i am going to be doing a hempy grow this time around so i figured i would stop by and introduce myself and show you guys what i have got in the works. I ran super soil for my first grow just to get the hang of things and now that i have got the hang of things and am getting my grow room dialed in i decided it would be best to go with something where i have a bit more control, i have always been interested in hydroponics but i don't have the space time or money for an active system so I'm hoping that these hempys will be the perfect solution to my problem.

Thanks Moebius for making this thread it is a wealth of information and i am looking forward to reading it over and participating in it.

Here are a few pictures of what I've got going on, I've still got a few pieces to finish up but I'm almost ready to go.





 

Moebius

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Dr.J, thanks for posting your pics to WoH. Hopefully we'll be able to give you something to go on with regards to your current plant issues.

My 2 pennies -It sounds/looks like you've really been chasing an original def and in doing so have caused various lockouts and burning. IMO this is the most common mistake made by most of us.

Too often we'll see a plant issue and attempt to remedy it by adding an additive or 'tinkering' with the waters pH and EC without really knowing what going on with the plant. ... The trouble is that by just 'adding more' unknowns into the equation decreases our understanding and it just turns into a guessing game with one deficiency causing a lockout of another.

Because there are too many variables here, it's literally going to be impossible to isolate which specific elements of NPK/micros your plant is deficient in here. ... IMO it would take a extensive laboratory testing by a trained scientist to provide a truly definitive answer at this stage.

OK, that said what to do now?

The plant has suffered extensive phytotoxicity (burning) to its foliage, at some stage youve evidently applied too much of something. I would apply half strength bloom nutes for a week and hope.

Depending on how much effort you want to expend, you could try brewing up your own organic tea. When using organics, I found a home-brewed tea as a good cure-all. .... For your plant, I would personally brew a compost tea high in (N) with some seaweed extract.

re EARTH JUICE ... I tried it at recommedation .... I hated it, it went off and caused me endless issues. It may have been a problem with the batch or storage but I ended up pouring it down the toilet. ... Now, if I go organic I would only use base ingredients.

Also ... Personally ... 'I' would NOT use RO water. without a genuine reason to do so. :peace:

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Can I suggest trying a different substrate next time? Too much perlite vs organics. It kinda neither one nor the other.
 

Moebius

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Hey guys whats up, i am a noob grower/long time reader getting ready for my second grow and i am going to be doing a hempy grow this time around so i figured i would stop by and introduce myself and show you guys what i have got in the works. I ran super soil for my first grow just to get the hang of things and now that i have got the hang of things and am getting my grow room dialed in i decided it would be best to go with something where i have a bit more control, i have always been interested in hydroponics but i don't have the space time or money for an active system so I'm hoping that these hempys will be the perfect solution to my problem.

Thanks Moebius for making this thread it is a wealth on information and i am looking forward to reading it over and participating in it.

Here are a few pictures of what I've got going on, I've still got a few pieces to finish up but I'm almost ready to go.





Hi Psilocybindude,

Love the look of your cabs. They look professional. You've definitely put some effort and a lot of thought into them. Just from those pictures I predict soon you'll have some amazing bud. :clap:

Great to have you on-board.

+rep
 

Moebius

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These are some Nirvana SuperSkunk harvested last night. It was an experimental Hempy of soil-core and perlite. I didn't take much care of these plants but in the end got some decent bud.

 

psilocybindude

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Hi Psilocybindude,

Love the look of your cabs. They look professional. You've definitely put some effort and a lot of thought into them. Just from those pictures I predict soon you'll have some amazing bud. :clap:

Great to have you on-board.

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Thanks man I'm glad you can tell I've put a lot of hard work, thought, and effort into it lol, i don't think i have ever had to solve so many problems in my life but i must i am really very pleased with the way things have turned out, and damn man does that GDP look tasty.
 

Shaggn

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Just a couple pix to show you what I have going on!! Took a bit for the clones to reach the rez in the cups but i'm sure they are now. A few days to a week and they will be transplanted to the 2L. Plan on switching the 4 T5s to the 2x4 veg tent and get the 600 digi, fan n filter all set up in the 4x4. Going to give the clones about 5 days to hit the rez in the 2Ls and then flip. Plan to get a better 4x4 tent when I can, the current tent is really cheap (good for a starter). Forgot to mention the cups in the back are the males. Keeping them in stasis till this show is over for bean production after the season (outdoor) is under way. Peace!!

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