How exactly does cubic feet per minute work ?

Grow4tho187

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Was wondering if u need the exact amount of cfm filter/fan then there is in your room ?
like 10x10x7 is 700 cf so there for a 700 cfm carbon filter and a 750 cfm 8'' vortex inline fan is needed or else smell will leek?
 

legallyflying

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I think that the general rule of thumb is that for carbon filtering, you want to scrub the whole room in under 5 minutes, preferably 3. So what this means is that the entire volume of your room passes through the filter in 3 minutes. Therefore, the CFM rating of your fan should be 1/3 the volume of your room. Your filter should be sized according to manufactures specifications. Don't put a lare filter on a small fan or vs versa.

If your scrubbing and your in a tightly sealed room, you can go with a lower CFM. However, pleae note that te efficiency of your carbon depends on the humidity. When you get above 60% it falls off rapidly. So don't go too low.
Cheers
LF
 

Saerimmner

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Actually its the other way round you want the air in the room exchanged 2-3 times per minute, not once every 2-3 minutes so you need a higher CFM fan that the cubic capacity of your room i.e. if your room is say 7 cubic metres then you want to exchange over 21 cubic metres of air per minute
 

redi jedi

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Actually its the other way round you want the air in the room exchanged 2-3 times per minute, not once every 2-3 minutes so you need a higher CFM fan that the cubic capacity of your room i.e. if your room is say 7 cubic metres then you want to exchange over 21 cubic metres of air per minute
2-3 times/min is extremely excessive. By that figure, 1000 (10'x10'x10') cubic foot room would require 2000-3000cfm fan....
 

redi jedi

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2-3 times/min is extremely excessive. By that figure, 1000 (10'x10'x10') cubic foot room would require 2000-3000cfm fan....
If you had a fan that big, inside a room that small, I doubt you would be able to open the door when the fan is running.
 

colonuggs

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hahaha i have a 1050 cfm in a 12x12 and it sucks the heat out of my house in the winter....speedmaster controllers are the shit

2-3 times/min is extremely excessive. By that figure, 1000 (10'x10'x10') cubic foot room would require 2000-3000cfm fan....
10x10x10 = 1000 cf divend by 3 is 333 cfm fan minimum :) not 2000
 

redi jedi

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hahaha i have a 1050 cfm in a 12x12 and it sucks the heat out of my house in the winter....speedmaster controllers are the shit



10x10x10 = 1000 cf divend by 3 is 333 cfm fan minimum :) not 2000
Obviously you missed the 2-3 exchanges per min. 333cfm is not gonna exchange 1000cf once in one minute....
 

ASMALLVOICE

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If you had a fan that big, inside a room that small, I doubt you would be able to open the door when the fan is running.
That is a 100% correct statement. Trying to "exchange" a rooms total air mass that much in that short of time, damn, don't feel like doing the math, but you might run the risk of sucking your lungs out of your body cavity from multiple openings the moment you breech the room.

Please proceed with extreme caution. Stick with "scrubbing" the room once every 4-6 minutes will give you what is needed and not be "overkill".

Peace

Asmallvoice
 

jondamon

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I personally work on exchanging the air once a minute.

Then if I'm air cooling a light using the same fan I add 5%-15% to the CFM depending upon wattage of light. If its an open reflector then add 15%-30% depending on the wattage of light.

I add 20% for the reduction in air movement a carbon filter has.

The maximum air exchange is 3x per minute so I've found from reading about grow room design. (Urban garden magazine)

There seems alot of additions due to other contributing factors but they have to be taken into consideration when calculating CFM's needed.



J
 

Krondizzel

New Member
Or if you had a cat walk by the intake, it would get sucked up against it.:lol:
i stuffed mine in the intake and exhaust... i threw it in the room to see if it would eat plants. nope, shes a good little cat that probably knows if it touches, it dies.
 

colonuggs

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Step 1: Room Volume
First the volume of the room needs to be calculated. To calculate multiply length x width x height of growing area e.g. A room that is 8' x 8' x 8' will have a volume of 512 cubic feet.

Step 2: CFM Required
Your extraction fan should be able to adequately exchange the air in an indoor garden once every three minutes. Therefore, 512 cubic feet / 3 minutes = 171 CFM. This will be the absolute minimum CFM for exchanging the air in an indoor garden.

Step 3: Additional factors
Unfortunately, the minimum CFM needed to ventilate a indoor garden is never quite that simple. Once the grower has calculated the minimum CFM required for their indoor garden the following additional factors need to be considered:
Number of HID lights — add 5% per air cooled light or 10-15% per non-air cooled light.

CO2: add 5% for rooms with CO2 enrichment

Filters: if a carbon filter is to be used with the exhaust system then add 20%

Ambient temperature: for hot climates (such as Southern California) add 25%, for hot and humid climates (such as Florida) add up to 40%.
An Example
In our 8' x 8' room we have 2 x 1000w air cooled lights, and we plan to use a carbon filter. We also plan to use CO2 in this room. The ambient temperature is 90 °F (32°C), however, we will be using air from another room that is air-conditioned. Here's the minimum required CFM to ventilate room:
1) Calculate the CFM required for room (see above.)
2) Add 10% (for 2 air cooled lights.)
3) Add 5% of original CFM calculation (For CO2.)
4) Add 20% of original CFM calculation for Carbon Filter.
5) Air is coming from air-conditioned room so no need to add any other percentages.
6) CFM = (171 CFM) + (171CFM x 10%) + (171 CFM x 5%) + (171CFM x 20%) + ( 0 )= 231 CFM.
This is the absolute minimum CFM required to ventilate your room.
The next step might seem to match the closest fan to this CFM. However, for this example I'd choose a six inch fan with a CFM of around 400 or more, and a 6 inch carbon filter to match. The extra CFMs may seem a bit excessive (calculations on most indoor gardening websites would recommend a 4" fan and a 4" carbon filter) but it's always better to over-spec since we need to compensate for air resistance in ducting too.
Also, as we are using a carbon filter we will need to match the fan with the filter so that the fan that will neatly fit onto the filter.
If all the variables are kept the same and we changed the room size from 8' x 8' to a 12' x 12' then the minimum required CFM would be 519 CFM.

The All-Important Inflow!

An intake port can be anything from a gap under the door to an open window - even a hole in the wall. The best place for an intake port is diagonally opposite from your exhaust fan; that way, air has to pass across the entire room - very efficient. You can put a piece of screen over the opening to keep insects and animals out, a piece of A/C filter to keep dust out, or a louvered shutter or backdraft damper that opens when the fan turns on and closes when it turns off. You can also use a motorized damper. This gets installed in-line with your ducting and is plugged into whatever device controls your exhaust fan. When your fan turns on, it allows air to pass. When your fan shuts off, it seals completely, preventing CO2, air, etc. from passing. You can get creative with these devices and use one fan to control two rooms, etc. One additional note about intake ports - you will see much better results from your exhaust system if you install a second fan to create an active (as opposed to passive) intake system. Normally, when your exhaust fan sucks air out of your room, air is passively going to get sucked back into the room. By installing a second fan on the intake side, you will reduce the amount of negative pressure created in the indoor garden, thereby cutting down greatly on the amount of work the exhaust fan has to do and allowing much more air to pass through. If you're not sure or you don't want to spend the money, start out with just an exhaust fan. If it's not performing as well as you thought it would, try adding an intake fan - you'll smile when you see the difference!
 

Grow4tho187

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Thx exactly what I needed to know , wont get to big for nothing ...... 8'' vortex amd 1000 cfm filter makes way more noise then a 6'' vortex and a 500-600 cfm filter :)
 

Grow4tho187

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I'm using a 2000 cfm carbon filter and a 8'' vortex in-line as air in-take and 8'' vortex sucking air out the filter ( which is almost bigger then me ) through 4 cooled reflectors and out side of a 8x8 tent ! Now I know its way over kill lol I put a speed control on in-take to have a negative pressure , so no leaks ! . Im starting a new show with a 10x10x6.5 tent , Not the gear that is missing just the full knowledge of how to calculate cfm's :) thx for the help
 
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