Roll-your-own cigarette operations to be snuffed out

rollinbud

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By BETH KARUSCHAK
LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL
Posted: Jul. 6, 2012 | 2:01 a.m.
Updated: Jul. 6, 2012 | 10:42 a.m.
A tiny amendment buried in the federal transportation bill to be signed today by President Barack Obama will put operators of roll-your-own cigarette operations in Las Vegas and nationwide out of business at midnight.
Robert Weissen, with his brothers and other partners, own nine Sin City Cigarette Factory locations in Southern Nevada, including six in Las Vegas, and one in Hawaii. He said when the bill is signed their only choice is to turn off their 20 RYO Filling Station machines and lay off more than 40 employees.
"We'll stay open for about another week to sell tubes and tobacco just to get through our inventory, but without the use of the RYO machines, we won't be staying open," he said.
The machines are used by customers who buy loose tobacco and paper tubes from the shop and then turn out a carton of finished cigarettes in as little as 10 minutes, often varying the blend to suit their taste. Savings are substantial - at $23 per carton, half the cost of a name-brand smoke - in part because loose tobacco is taxed at a lower rate.
"These cigarettes are different because there are benefits in saving money and in how they make you feel," said Amy Hinds, a partner who operates the Sin City Cigarette Factory at Craig and Decatur.
"These cigarettes don't have any of the chemicals in them, and the papers are chemical-free, unlike the cartons people buy from Philip Morris."
But a few paragraphs added to the transportation bill changed the definition of a cigarette manufacturer to cover thousands of roll-your-own operations nationwide. The move, backed by major tobacco companies, is aimed at boosting tax revenues.
Faced with regulation costs that could run to hundreds of thousands of dollars, RYO machine owners nationwide are shutting down more than 1,000 of the $36,000 machines.
"I feel it's kind of shaky,'' Wiessen said. "The man who pushed for this bill is Sen. (Max) Baucus from Montana, and he received donations from Altria, a parent company of Philip Morris. Interestingly enough, there are also no RYO machines in the state of Montana. It really makes me question the morals and values of our elected speakers."
Sierra Bawden, a single mom with two kids who started rolling her own smokes at Hind's shop three months ago, said cost is only one factor.
"It saves me time and money, and in the end I feel better because I don't get all of the chemicals that the other cigarettes have," Bawden said. "With the brand-name cigarettes, we pay for the chemicals and the name, and I don't want any of that, so I don't even know what I'll do when the shop closes down."
In Southern Nevada, there are two basic RYO business models: traditional smoke shops that also sell brand-name cigarettes, hookah and smoking paraphernalia, and RYO lounges that sell only loose tobacco and materials.
"Our stores are like lounges where our customers can buy the pieces for the product then roll them by hand or use the machine to make their cigarettes," Wiessen said. "It's a relaxed environment. Rolling a carton of cigarettes by hand can take one person up to three hours."
Even before the bill is signed, Hinds' location on Craig Road was already feeling the pinch. They were to close Thursday because suppliers stopped delivering needed materials last week.
Wiessen and others are attempting to mount a petition drive asking for relief from the new regulations and are talking to lawyers now to explore their options.
"As it stands right now, we'll have no choice but to shut down at midnight on Friday, but we're not giving up," Wiessen said. "We have to see what our lawyers tell us and go from there."

http://www.lvrj.com/business/roll-your-own-cigarette-operations-to-be-snuffed-out-161539845.html



I wonder what 0bama will tax you to roll your own joints?

Wake up people
 

ChesusRice

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Double whammy here
First they taxed a pound of tobacco at 26 a pound
Then they went after the roll your own cigerette place because
Finished Cigarettes are supposed to be taxed higher


This was with a republican govenor BTW
 

Dr Kynes

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Double whammy here
First they taxed a pound of tobacco at 26 a pound
Then they went after the roll your own cigerette place because
Finished Cigarettes are supposed to be taxed higher


This was with a republican govenor BTW
there was no mention of any governors. you mean US Senator Max Baucus?

also, i thought you loved high taxes especially on things as sinful as Big Tobacco!

these clowns tried to hide the fact that they were part of Big Tobacco! but obama saw right through them. just like you cant hide the fact that you are part of Big Marijuana just by visiting this forum.

$26 a pound is not a large tax, and it's easily avoided by simply growing your own Big Tobacco!. the seeds for Big Tobacco! are easy to get on the interwebs from several small Big Tobacco! seed companies, and even a few small Big Tobacco! farmers who sell their excess Big Tobacco! seeds each season. after harvesting their Big Tobacco! feilds. Try this place for your Big Tobacco! seeds, they have an entire section dedicated to Big Tobacco! seeds alone.

http://www.victoryseeds.com/tobacco.html
 

ChesusRice

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No i am talking about Scott Walker
[h=1]Judge blocks state crackdown on roll-your-own cigarette businesses[/h] By Jason Stein of the Journal Sentinel
Oct. 7, 2011



Madison
- A Dane County judge Friday restored for now the roll-your-own tobacco shops that have faced a crackdown by state officials.
Circuit Court judge Juan B. Colas issued a temporary restraining order preventing the state from taking steps like requiring the shops to obtain tobacco manufacturing and distributor permits and paying manufacturers taxes. The restraining order was sought by several businesses involved in the roll-your-own industry.
A Nov. 23 court hearing is scheduled on whether to continue the order, said Stephanie Marquis, a spokeswoman for the state Department of Revenue.
"We are disappointed with the court's decision, but we remain dedicated to enforcing our tobacco laws and regulations fairly and equitably," she said in a statement.
Roll-your-own tobacco stores that have recently cropped up sell customers loose tobacco and cigarette papers that the customers load into large rolling machines on the premises. The cigarettes are sold at about half the price of premium brands because the retailers charge the tax on pipe tobacco, rather than the much higher tax on standard cigarettes.
But Department of Revenue agents have been visiting the shops, shutting down the machines and telling the owners they need the permits to operate. Some of the shops shut down as a result.
 

UncleBuck

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Sierra Bawden, a single mom with two kids who started rolling her own smokes at Hind's shop three months ago, said cost is only one factor.
"It saves me time and money, and in the end I feel better because I don't get all of the chemicals that the other cigarettes have," Bawden said. "With the brand-name cigarettes, we pay for the chemicals and the name, and I don't want any of that, so I don't even know what I'll do when the shop closes down."
how sad. what an outrage. another part of the democratic war on single moms who smoke.
 

Ringsixty

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"Surprise, Surprise, Surprise" Dah !
Control the Masses. Don't worry we know what's best for you. Just give up your Liberty and Freedoms and everything will be fine or we will just take them from you.
Mr. Obama is a charmer for sure.... you need to look past that smile and see the smirk.
 

Dr Kynes

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i say tax cigarettes to high heaven, and i'm a smoker.
i quit smoking years ago, but taxing something you dont like (even if you do it yourself) is forcing your opinion onto others. both sides were involved in the Original Post, baucus and obama, and both sides were just as wrong.

taxation should be about revenue, not control. the supreme court has ruled several times (including on cannabis) that control is not a legitimate justification for a tax, and taxes should never be destructive to the thing taxed.
 

BA142

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Why can't Sierra just buy a pound of tobacco and roll it at home instead of at a shop? :wall: Oh wait, she can.
 

Dr Kynes

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Why can't Sierra just buy a pound of tobacco and roll it at home instead of at a shop? :wall: Oh wait, she can.
perhaps she is not a very good roller, perhaps she prefers the injectors and tubes at her local puff-palace, perhaps she enjoys the social atmosphere of the joint to crouching in her dank basement apartment amid her many bastard spawns, while she clumsily rolls up another wobbly uneven cigarette.

maybe it's her own business where she rolls up her smokes, not the government's, and perhaps baucas and obama should look to more pressing matters than roll your own smokes lounges in vegas. perhaps the fact that we are teetering on the brink of financial ruin might be a subject that deserves some attention.
 

Canna Sylvan

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Can regular pipe tobacco be used? Like those thick strands of vanilla flavored my grandfather would use? Is it only ground or do other processes need to be done first before putting it in a cigarette tube?

Commercial cigarettes contain other added chemicals which makes smoking them different than the type put in a pipe? If so government is now encouraging people to smoke even more harmful cigs.
 

patlpp

New Member
Same shit happened with the ban on internet gambling - sneak the shit in without ANY debate. We need to fix this shit. Do away with riders.
 

Dr Kynes

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Can regular pipe tobacco be used? Like those thick strands of vanilla flavored my grandfather would use? Is it only ground or do other processes need to be done first before putting it in a cigarette tube?

Commercial cigarettes contain other added chemicals which makes smoking them different than the type put in a pipe? If so government is now encouraging people to smoke even more harmful cigs.
pipe tobacco is cut dried and cured for smoking in pipes. as cigarettes they are very harsh.

cigarette tobacco is usually a light virginia tobacco dried and flue cured to extreme dryness for rolling in paper. pipe tobaccos are burleys and other heavier sweeter leafs slow dried and slow cur3ed for a softer sweeter smoke. in papers they sweat and get mushy.

some really good cigars can be made from pipe tobacco and a broadleaf wrapper, but pipe smoking is one of the few pleasures still available at a reasonable price.

plus you can smoke your weed in the same piece.

a wattle of good tobacco under a fat sticky nugg is a fine thing.
 

Canna Sylvan

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pipe tobacco is cut dried and cured for smoking in pipes. as cigarettes they are very harsh.

cigarette tobacco is usually a light virginia tobacco dried and flue cured to extreme dryness for rolling in paper. pipe tobaccos are burleys and other heavier sweeter leafs slow dried and slow cur3ed for a softer sweeter smoke. in papers they sweat and get mushy.

some really good cigars can be made from pipe tobacco and a broadleaf wrapper, but pipe smoking is one of the few pleasures still available at a reasonable price.

plus you can smoke your weed in the same piece.
Ah. Thank you.

a wattle of good tobacco under a fat sticky nugg is a fine thing.
Except for the whole cancer thing. Weed has been proven, even in smoked form, to kill cells which turn into cancer.

My preferred method is magical vegan peanut butter cookies. But it takes two grams of extracted shake in order to get the medicinal properties. That's why, even if taxed at tobacco rates, I could get it for less than $0.50 a dose. Which is why I only indulge in shake made cookies.
 

Rob Roy

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i quit smoking years ago, but taxing something you dont like (even if you do it yourself) is forcing your opinion onto others. both sides were involved in the Original Post, baucus and obama, and both sides were just as wrong.

taxation should be about revenue, not control. the supreme court has ruled several times (including on cannabis) that control is not a legitimate justification for a tax, and taxes should never be destructive to the thing taxed.
Hmmm...a "legitimate justification for a tax" eh ? If ANY tax is extracted under the threat of violence is it "legitimate" ?
 

Dr Kynes

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Ah. Thank you.



Except for the whole cancer thing. Weed has been proven, even in smoked form, to kill cells which turn into cancer.

My preferred method is magical vegan peanut butter cookies. But it takes two grams of extracted shake in order to get the medicinal properties. That's why, even if taxed at tobacco rates, I could get it for less than $0.50 a dose. Which is why I only indulge in shake made cookies.
you dont smoke the wattle, its the bit that acts like a screen.

smoking dope through a good pipe tobacco wattle is kind of halfway between a shisha and a bong. the wattle adds a little flavour, cools the smoke, blocks ashes and nibblets, and filters out the harshness without watering down your dope. plus you can smoke them too if you want. the resin makes the tobacco extra special for the discriminating pipe smoker.
 

Dr Kynes

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Hmmm...a "legitimate justification for a tax" eh ? If ANY tax is extracted under the threat of violence is it "legitimate" ?
yes. taxation is legitimate if it is levied for the purpose of funding the government, and if it is not restraint of trade. the tax must be applied evenly, and without exception, and must be (if it's federal) paid by excise a stamp, or through apportionment.

one could make the argument that AALL government actions are done under the threat of force, including putting out your house when its on fire (they dont ask if you want it to burn down, they just put it out) enforcement of traffic and safety laws (if you pop off rounds in your back yard you may be visited by disgruntled cops) our borders (supposedly) and the security of the president.

whinging about "threats of force" or the government's "monopoly on force" is part of the reason we have our constitution in the first place. without it we would be a group of tiny fiefdoms ruled by some local overlord and the king of england.
 
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