Karl Marx Was Right...

[BillyBonnie]

Karl Marx knew it. Knew it all too well. He hit the nail on the head way back when he was forming ideas for his version of modern socialism. He said of democracy:

"Democracy is a form of government that cannot long survive,
for as soon as the people learn that they have a voice
in the fiscal policies of the government, they will move to vote
for themselves all the money in the treasury, and bankrupt the nation."

With an annual budget that includes 50% entitlements and government subsidized social programs (i.e. handouts - welfare, medicade, medicare, and soon-to-be government sponsored health care), Karl was right on the money. People in our country vote themselves money from the treasury by voting for political candidates who promise new or escalated social programs if elected. In essence, this is buying votes.

Our national debt is staggering. Over 15 TRILLION dollars at the present time.

Can you imagine how well-received a candidate would be who campaigned on the platform "We must reduce the blood-sucking social programs that have driven us into almost insurmountable debt"? He or she would be tarred-and-feathered. Or ignored.

We are ever so close to the point of no return. China pretty much owns us - I believe they are our major creditors.

 

[Harrekin]

I'm pretty sure he was left, but whatever...

 

[Harrekin]

Oh and if you believe Karl Marx, you're as dumb as two shits nailed together.

Ask Russia and East Germany how "correct" Marx was.

 

[cannabineer]

Oh and if you believe Karl Marx, you're as dumb as two shits nailed together.

Ask Russia and East Germany how "correct" Marx was.

A Mexican icepick murder suggests that wasn't Marx but Lenin. It can be argued that "pure" Marxism hasn't been tried yet. Even so, I do think the basic premise of Communism in any form is based on a fundamental misperception of human nature. cn

 

[UncleBuck]

Karl Marx knew it. Knew it all too well. He hit the nail on the head way back when he was forming ideas for his version of modern socialism. He said of democracy:

"Democracy is a form of government that cannot long survive,
for as soon as the people learn that they have a voice
in the fiscal policies of the government, they will move to vote
for themselves all the money in the treasury, and bankrupt the nation."

With an annual budget that includes 50% entitlements and government subsidized social programs (i.e. handouts - welfare, medicade, medicare, and soon-to-be government sponsored health care), Karl was right on the money. People in our country vote themselves money from the treasury by voting for political candidates who promise new or escalated social programs if elected. In essence, this is buying votes.

Our national debt is staggering. Over 15 TRILLION dollars at the present time.

Can you imagine how well-received a candidate would be who campaigned on the platform "We must reduce the blood-sucking social programs that have driven us into almost insurmountable debt"? He or she would be tarred-and-feathered. Or ignored.

We are ever so close to the point of no return. China pretty much owns us - I believe they are our major creditors.

lol, china owns us?

partisan hackery detected. trap sprung. tell me how much of our debt china owns. i'll await reply.

remember how those "blood sucking social programs" were around since before WWII? i do. never ballooned the debt on their own.

what ballooned the debt is when certain people realized, like you said, that they could vote themselves more of the treasury.

who are these certain people? well, to identify them, let's look where the money has gone since the debt started ballooning in the early 80's.

has it gone to the middle class and working poor? certainly not. their incomes have remained stagnant. have we massively ballooned those "blood sucking social programs" called the social safety net? nope, those have been just the same. in fact, welfare has been reformed, COL increases have been reduced, etc.

that leaves one place where the money has gone: straight to the top. it is demonstrable that this has happened, just take a look at the income inequality gap, which has ballooned right along with the debt.

and along with the rising income inequality, ballooning debt:

the change that corresponds with ballooning debt has absolutely jack and shit to do with social programs, that theory is partisan hackery bologna.

the change that corresponds with ballooning debt is shipping all the money to the top and naively expecting that it will "trickle down". it doesn't.

class dismissed.

 

[BillyBonnie]

you sound bitter, angry, and misguided.

cheer up! this toaster can also cook an egg.

I guess I am a bit angry at the huge debt that both demos and repubs are responsible for...and the guy called me "two shits nailed together"...Well, I can call names with the best of them.

 

[BillyBonnie]

lol, china owns us?

partisan hackery detected. trap sprung. tell me how much of our debt china owns. i'll await reply.

remember how those "blood sucking social programs" were around since before WWII? i do. never ballooned the debt on their own.

what ballooned the debt is when certain people realized, like you said, that they could vote themselves more of the treasury.

who are these certain people? well, to identify them, let's look where the money has gone since the debt started ballooning in the early 80's.

has it gone to the middle class and working poor? certainly not. their incomes have remained stagnant. have we massively ballooned those "blood sucking social programs" called the social safety net? nope, those have been just the same. in fact, welfare has been reformed, COL increases have been reduced, etc.

that leaves one place where the money has gone: straight to the top. it is demonstrable that this has happened, just take a look at the income inequality gap, which has ballooned right along with the debt.

and along with the rising income inequality, ballooning debt:

the change that corresponds with ballooning debt has absolutely jack and shit to do with social programs, that theory is partisan hackery bologna.

the change that corresponds with ballooning debt is shipping all the money to the top and naively expecting that it will "trickle down". it doesn't.

class dismissed.

I am no defender of the rich, which bear their share of the blame for securing tax breaks for campaign contributions...but entitlements are at least as big of a drain on us...and I think more...

This is my last post on this subject. I meant it as a spark for thought...not a pissing contest...but you, Uncle Buck, seem to be an expert at making pissing contests out of honest threads...without being subject to review by moderators...

 

[feff f]

those charts are stupid and unrelated. buck told us 2 years ago, things were gonna be great. buck is just a slow learner.

 

[UncleBuck]

I am no defender of the rich, which bear their share of the blame for securing tax breaks for campaign contributions...but entitlements are at least as big of a drain on us...and I think more...

This is my last post on this subject. I meant it as a spark for thought...not a pissing contest...but you, Uncle Buck, seem to be an expert at making pissing contests out of honest threads...

there was nothing honest about your thread.

you tried to say that the ballooning debt was due to social programs. well, the debt held steady enough for decades with those programs in place.

then, other things happened and the debt ballooned.

you were either honestly misinformed, honestly willfully ignorant, or you're lying to us now when you said it was an honest thread.

 

[feff f]

please explain the coralation between tax rates and debt t rates. cant wait to hear this pile of bullshit

 

[UncleBuck]

those charts are stupid and unrelated. buck told us 2 years ago, things were gonna be great. buck is just a slow learner.

falafel is back!

two years ago, i predicted a lost decade. try to be honest here, buddy.

and i know, charts are confusing so you just call them stupid. waaaaaahhhhhhh!

maybe try to dispute the argument i put forth with a counter-argument that is a bit more articulate than "that's stupid! waaaaaahhhhhh!!!!!!"

welcome back, falafel.

 

[BillyBonnie]

those charts are stupid and unrelated. buck told us 2 years ago, things were gonna be great. buck is just a slow learner.

Agreed sir.

 

[UncleBuck]

please explain the coralation between tax rates and debt t rates. cant wait to hear this pile of bullshit

there is an inverse correlation between top tax rates and amount of debt.

you do know what inverse and direct correlations are, right? or is that yet to come in your remedial 5th grade math class?

 

[UncleBuck]

Agreed sir.

it's stupid! waaaaaaahhhhh!

so articulate.

 

[UncleBuck]

You, Buck, are nothing but a "pissing contest instigator". And the moderators of this forum seem to enjoy sucking your dick to please you. My congratulations...but get a college degree so you won't have to take any more jobs without benefits...

nice to see you back, wileycoyote.

perhaps if you did what i did, and put forth a substantive counter argument instead of just saying "it's stupid", we could have a debate on this.

as it stands, you are not doing that. you have gone from "it's stupid" to "you're stupid" now.

just rebut me for fuck sake.

 

[BillyBonnie]

nice to see you back, wileycoyote.

perhaps if you did what i did, and put forth a substantive counter argument instead of just saying "it's stupid", we could have a debate on this.

as it stands, you are not doing that. you have gone from "it's stupid" to "you're stupid" now.

just rebut me for fuck sake.

You don't want an honest debate...you just want to bash and piss...and you are VERY good at it, I admit...gee, by the smell of your piss, I surmize you ate asparagus tonight?...I LOVE asparagus...

 

[UncleBuck]

You don't want an honest debate...you just want to bash and piss...and you are VERY good at it, I admit...gee, by the smell of your piss, I surmize you ate asparagus tonight?...I LOVE asparagus...

dude, maybe try to rebut what i said and the facts i put forth instead of making lame attempts at insulting me and we can have an honest debate.

 

[BillyBonnie]

You don't want an honest debate...you just want to bash and piss...and you are VERY good at it, I admit...gee, by the smell of your piss, I surmize you ate asparagus tonight?...I LOVE asparagus...

Have a good night Buck...I'm signing off now to eat roasted chicken and watch the remake of "The Thing"...maybe I'll see you in the movie?

 

[UncleBuck]

Have a good night Buck...I'm signing off now to eat roasted chicken and watch the remake of "The Thing"...maybe I'll see you in the movie?

.........

 

[BillyBonnie]

dude, maybe try to rebut what i said and the facts i put forth instead of making lame attempts at insulting me and we can have an honest debate.

OK, I already said I'm no defender of the rich. They bear their share of the blame. But the fact that 50% of our yearly budget goes to fund social programs is the main cause of our national debt...you are so to the extreme...please have tolerance for those of us who are less emotional and more rational...now to "The Thing"...and some roast chicken and wine...