Care Giver..or Drug Dealer?

[bob harris]

I bet there are more half-ass caregivers than real ones who are 100% legit. I do not think your post holds up since the majority of our Docs study & put in much more effort in learning about their profession than many wannabe cash cropping care-givers. I only give kudos to those who have elaborate setups providing the best meds. Anything less thrown together in a closet above personal plant limits is a joke to me.

This comes from my personal experience in the mmj community around here & I have seen more garbage "caregivers" than should be acceptable. Need regulations for them imo. product testing & such, most of them would be be unable to further call themselves a "caregiver".

I totally agree...

 

[Bigtacofarmer]

I just think a lot of patients forget that all of the technology, breeding, and other know how was developed by people who did what they want and not what there government told them to. I prefer pot grown by people who know how to grow great pot. That takes practice and time! It is offensive to the people who have been providing medicine since before the laws change. I'm not caregiver, provider, or patient and I guarantee that my product is 100% medicinal by any pot snobs standards and it didn't get that way by being a law abiding sheep! Suffering or not who gives a crap where your meds come from as long as they were loved by someone who knows how to love them right!

 

[bob harris]

If caregivers aren't "real caregivers" because they charge the equivalent of 10-20/hour for their services, I shudder to think what doctors are.

At under $20 per hour I'd agree..if they are good. Most make far more..like $100 an hour. No education, no school loans like a doctor, no mal practice insurance.

I can make a nice little profit off my grow (or could, before p2p ruling) at an average of $100 per oz, for a Sativa that tests at 19% thc and 3% thcv....why can't they?

 

[CharlieBud]

At under $20 per hour I'd agree..if they are good. Most make far more..like $100 an hour. No education, no school loans like a doctor, no mal practice insurance.

I can make a nice little profit off my grow (or could, before p2p ruling) at an average of $100 per oz, for a Sativa that tests at 19% thc and 3% thcv....why can't they?

Who are you to control the free commerce between individuals? No one is telling you how much to make, its your business. Between you and those who choose to associate with you.

 

[bob harris]

Who are you to control the free commerce between individuals? No one is telling you how much to make, its your business. Between you and those who choose to associate with you.

Med law has nothing to do with free commerce. Read the law. Can't charge for the meds..only the time spent "care giving"..CG was never intended to be a career.

Guys like you want this to be about caregivers..the law is for patients.

 

[purklize]

The law was never intended to make caregivers a profession.

Then why is this in the law?

(e) A registered primary caregiver may receive compensation for costs associated with assisting a registered qualifying patient in the medical use of marihuana. Any such compensation shall not constitute the sale of controlled substances.

 

[purklize]

At under $20 per hour I'd agree..if they are good. Most make far more..like $100 an hour. No education, no school loans like a doctor, no mal practice insurance.

If they make $100/hour, then if someone is selling at 200/oz and producing a pound a month (16oz) they would only be working 32 hours a month, or an average of one hour a day. That's only going to happen if there are no problems or pests whatsoever, all the kinks in the setup have been worked out, patients come to pick up their meds and don't expect them to be delivered, and the patients trim their meds as well. I don't buy it.

 

[bob harris]

Then why is this in the law?

Compensation for costs associated with....that sounds like break even/small profit...not career. Nor does it say profit on the cannabis. It says assisting the patient in the medical use of marijuana.

How much time do you think the average care giver spends assisting the patient?

 

[alotaball]

I do grow my own. Top shelf grow room, all the controls. Top shelf meds, consistently. I know exactly how much work goes into growing. I grow a land race Sativa..not a new fangled cross. High end meds can be produced well under $100 an oz..including a good wage.

The law was never intended to make caregivers a profession.

A 50 plus plant grow is alot harder to maintain and finance then what your probably familiar with growing .. I dont know this guy and I am not saying he is right or wrong in his caregiving.. but If his patients are recieving a free OZ and QUALITY medicine for sub 200 dollars a OZ after their free oz.. I would say that is pretty good caregiving. It takes alot of time/effort/risk to provide that kind of medicine for that amount of people. Let me put this in your mind

1. You will have to give up a complete room in your house.. In California thats about a 300 dollar value a month imo.
2. You need to have a revolving door of different genetics and strains for different condition and needs of your patients. This takes LOTS of money and time. A typical seed order is $200.00 plus .. a couple times a year.. atleast once a year. Now you have to mother out all these plants.. Keep the best pheno if you find a good one. Then 4 months later you have new strains that you HOPE will be right for your patients.. This takes lots of time and money.
3. Electric will be in the realm of 500 a month for this amount of production.. Fans, bulbs, ducting, pots , ballast , ect ect will be replaced occasionally to prevent any interruption in meds for you patients .. this comes out of the care givers pocket.
4. Soil or Hydro cost depending on medium
5. Wear and Tear on your car and Gas for your car .. in order to obtain supplies/deliver if needed.
6. Not every Grow is always PERFECT. You talk about all these OZ he is gonna have.. What happens if that amount isnt produced? I can tell you that even if your very good at cultivating.. there is always grows that dont go as planned. And when they dont.. that is all a loss for the Caregiver.. He is the one investing in the bills that it takes to produce this medicine .
7. Nutes are expensive on this scale
8. Water has to be obtained in abundance and If your in socal.. More then likely tap wont suffice for a broad range of strains. SO this means you will need to pay for a RO filter or haul water to the growing location at x amount per a gallon. Lets say that you go the RO filter route .. thats 300 bucks for the machine.. new filters every 6 months is more money on top of that.. this is just the cost if the damn thing never breaks.
9. Have to maintain and replace pumps, High quality meters ( PH , EC.. ect)
10. DO you have any idea how much time and space it takes to trim and dry and properly cure 100+ oz?
11. Setup at this scale is gonna be pricey .. your not running 2000-6000 watts on a household circuit safely.. you will need a electrician.. You will need lots of cooling you will need fire safety equipment.

I could go on forever.. But this kind of growing is almost like a full time job. I dont care what the grower does with his overages..Bottom line is I think a FREE OZ a month and anything less that 200 a oz of HIGH HIGH quality meds is very fair as a caregiver. Your talking sub $25 Dollar 8ths for Top Shelf which is nearly half of what it would cost to obtain from a dispensary.

IF YOU WANT SOMEONE TO BE MAD AT.. go to a clinic and look at the 300+ plus oz that they sell to "patients" some who are sick and cant grow for their self... lots of them are selling greenhouse from up north for nearly 3x what they pay to obtain it.

I would prefer that 1 person who cares about my INDIVIDUAL needs provides my meds at sub 200 dollar pricing as opposed to a clinic where a whole company is profiting on normally lower quality meds.


PS.. BOB if his patients felt ripped off.. they can get a new caregiver..simple as that .. no one is forcing anyone to stay with a certain caregiver.. go where its right for you.

 

[bowlfullofbliss]

This whole conversation about judging people who grow for whatever reason they do, and how they do it. What ever happened to minding your own fucking business.

Sick of this stupid argument......even the people that hung in here have left because of this bs.

No one bitched like a bunch of chatty Cathy's about growers putting out dank before we got legalized on the State level....now all of the sudden there are more people on their white horses riding in and telling everyone why they suck and are now all of a sudden drug dealers.....FUCK OFF.

I grow for the right reason, but I don't judge people for making ends......

 

[bob harris]

If they make $100/hour, then if someone is selling at 200/oz and producing a pound a month (16oz) they would only be working 32 hours a month, or an average of one hour a day. That's only going to happen if there are no problems or pests whatsoever, all the kinks in the setup have been worked out, patients come to pick up their meds and don't expect them to be delivered, and the patients trim their meds as well. I don't buy it.

Depends on how many patients and plants they are tending. 16 oz per month would be less than a 24 plant cycle. I run 12, they mature at the rate of 2 plants every 3 weeks or so, and I could average 10oz a month easy, before I cut the grow back due to the p2p ruling. I spend way less than an hour a day in the grow room. Yes, harvest day is a fullish day, maybe 6 hours to clean up 2 plants and put 2 new ones into the flower room. Re pot days can be and hour...but most days are 5 minutes, just to make sure none of the controls malfunctioned. The labor involved is way over stated by most growers in an attempt to justify the price.

And labor doesn't double every time you double plant count..in other words a 72 plant grow doesn't take 6 times the time of a 12 plant grow. You gain an economy of scale as the plant count increases.

 

[purklize]

Compensation for costs associated with....that sounds like break even/small profit...not career. Nor does it say profit on the cannabis. It says assisting the patient in the medical use of marijuana.

How much time do you think the average care giver spends assisting the patient?

Labor is a cost. If you are paid for your labor you are not a profiteer. A profiteer is someone who is paid for someone else's labor, bankers being the best at this.

 

[bob harris]

Labor is a cost. If you are paid for your labor you are not a profiteer. A profiteer is someone who is paid for someone else's labor, bankers being the best at this.

Sure, I'll concede labor is a cost..how much should a gardener make per hour?

 

[purklize]

Bob I don't think you are accounting for your hours properly. I also think "yeah, it'll only take me 10 minutes to change those buckets" and then 3 hours later the wife is asking me wtf I'm doing because I'm still not finished.

efore I cut the grow back due to the p2p ruling.

So you were SELLING for PROFIT?

This whole conversation about judging people who grow for whatever reason they do, and how they do it. What ever happened to minding your own fucking business.

Sick of this stupid argument......even the people that hung in here have left because of this bs.

No one bitched like a bunch of chatty Cathy's about growers putting out dank before we got legalized on the State level....now all of the sudden there are more people on their white horses riding in and telling everyone why they suck and are now all of a sudden drug dealers.....FUCK OFF.

I grow for the right reason, but I don't judge people for making ends......

Yeah pretty much.

 

[purklize]

Sure, I'll concede labor is a cost..how much should a gardener make per hour?

20/hour at an absolute minimum because they have to buy their own health insurance, which costs like 10k/year. $20/hour 40 hours a week 52 weeks a year is 38k, subtract state and federal taxes and you have 27k at best, subtract 10k for health insurance and you have 17k, which is a Burger King salary. Good luck raising kids and saving for college and retirement with that kind of income.

 

[Cory and trevor]

Bob and his boys: "blah blah blah"
Me: "......" and keeps doing what the fuck I feel like doing.
get deputized or something and come get us oh knight of the righteous. you're a sad little fellah waiting to die with a personality that has left you alone with your plants and an internet forum......so fucking sad. hope you keep finding people to entertain you on RIU with stupid rehash fights and isiot arguments while you sit alone with your PC wishing you could actually get a friend or capture a kind word an actual face to face visit.

 

[CharlieBud]

Med law has nothing to do with free commerce. Read the law. Can't charge for the meds..only the time spent "care giving"..CG was never intended to be a career.

Guys like you want this to be about caregivers..the law is for patients.

No, I want this to be about the government respecting our rights and regulating this like any other farming business. The Federal government dealing only with border and import/export tariffs. Its the laws that make the majority of drug-related criminals and create this artificial conflict among cannabis users.

I think any one should be able to make any profit on any item subject to the pressures of competition and demand. I don't care if its beer, cannabis, or chocolate. And I find the audacity of banning one of God's creations offensive and overreaching.

 

[alotaball]

Sure, I'll concede labor is a cost..how much should a gardener make per hour?

THis guy is a trolling idiot .. Gardner really.. were not talking about cutting grass .. If someone doesnt like the cost.. get it somewhere else.. I can think of 50 places to obtain meds..

 

[afrawfraw]

There is a fine line. It's hard to tell someone who needs cash to give it away. On the other hand, remember that you were once paying $120.00 for what you sweep off the cure room floor, and now you're pissed because you got finger hash on the light switch.

 

[CharlieBud]

Sure, I'll concede labor is a cost..how much should a gardener make per hour?

As much as someone is willing to pay them.