Problem with science, you can have 5 scientific reports and all 5 contradict each other. Science is a long long way from being FACT.
7 days of dark. The final flush.
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Problem with science, you can have 5 scientific reports and all 5 contradict each other. Science is a long long way from being FACT.
5000joints
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To be totally honest with you all, Ive been doing the dark/cold water thing for 5 years now. Not every plant I do goes thru this process since I've grow perpetual most of the time and have done this with quite a few strains. Ive done it with about 25 plants. I used to flush for the last ten days. Then harvest. My Purps still wouldnt burn right after curing for about 3 -4 weeks. It was still burning alittle black and was a bitch to keep lit in a zig-zag. So I started flushing for 2 weeks. This helped alot and the color was rapidly coming out of the leaves and turning bright yellow. I noticed that if I flushed them until all the color was gone in the top 1/3 of the plant leaves, then the weed was just perfect for smoking after 1 week in a jar. ((Obviously 3-4 months in a jar curing would be ideal but I dont have this luxury of sitting on my harvest that long.))
So anyways, 1 week in a jar and the joint burns very nice. The ash is white. The weed stays lit most of the time. and it just tastes and burns suppurb. Once I snap off a fan leaf, if it tastes bitter, the plant needs more flushing. If it tastes like nothing, like tap water, then its ready for harvest. After 3 weeks in a jar the weed is perfect for smoking. This is due to the flushing for 2 weeks. 14 days of flushing every 4 days. Thats 5 flushes before harvesting. The chloraphyl in the leaves is almost gone at this point. This is when the weed burns best for me and my strains.
This trick doesnt add any new trichomes but adds to the already existing trichomes. The trichs get much fatter. They seem to swell up like fat little mushrooms. I used to use CO2. I spent around 1200 bucks for the whole setup. I havent used co2 in the last 4 grows so Im loosing 25% - 20% of yield but the dark/cold water technique will add 20%-30% more girth to the trichomes. So this helps when trying to get the most from your plants if you dont have an elaborate grow-op. Most people have basics and thats it. I just happen to have an elaborate set-up but I just cant use it all here so I got to make the best with what I can use. This just helps alot anytime Ive done it. The weed is better than it wouldve been had I flushed for 7 - 10 days and harvested.
This is my experience. 2 each his own. Good luck with whomever this may have helped. PEACE.
So anyways, 1 week in a jar and the joint burns very nice. The ash is white. The weed stays lit most of the time. and it just tastes and burns suppurb. Once I snap off a fan leaf, if it tastes bitter, the plant needs more flushing. If it tastes like nothing, like tap water, then its ready for harvest. After 3 weeks in a jar the weed is perfect for smoking. This is due to the flushing for 2 weeks. 14 days of flushing every 4 days. Thats 5 flushes before harvesting. The chloraphyl in the leaves is almost gone at this point. This is when the weed burns best for me and my strains.
This trick doesnt add any new trichomes but adds to the already existing trichomes. The trichs get much fatter. They seem to swell up like fat little mushrooms. I used to use CO2. I spent around 1200 bucks for the whole setup. I havent used co2 in the last 4 grows so Im loosing 25% - 20% of yield but the dark/cold water technique will add 20%-30% more girth to the trichomes. So this helps when trying to get the most from your plants if you dont have an elaborate grow-op. Most people have basics and thats it. I just happen to have an elaborate set-up but I just cant use it all here so I got to make the best with what I can use. This just helps alot anytime Ive done it. The weed is better than it wouldve been had I flushed for 7 - 10 days and harvested.
This is my experience. 2 each his own. Good luck with whomever this may have helped. PEACE.
Harrekin
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20-30% more girth on the trics? How'd you measure that exactly? How do you know it's not strain/pheno related? How do you know that the same plants wouldn't develop the exact same (most would say better) without the dark/flush?
Why do you ignore the empirical evidence which clearly states the perfect amount of dark is 72 hours?
Until you can answer those, it's just "he said she said" hippy bullshit.
Sorry dude, you made the claims, the onus of proof is on you not me.
ianseifertemery
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72 hrs is wht ive always known shocking tha plant to much can cause stress which can produce seeds
RL420
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farting in your grow room can prolly cause stress
bigv1976
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This dude is always bashing the flush but I challenge you to find one grower in High Times that will tell you not to flush.You don't need to stop, just gradually lessen them towards the end and then give them a nice slow dry and cure. Smooth smoke needs a slow dry and cure, don't listen to the "it's nutrients in the buds" crowd, flushers actually translocate mobile nutrients from their leaves INTO their buds by flushing
Harrekin
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You mean that hydro equipment advertisement POS excuse for a "Growing Magazine"? It's hardly the Mecca of Cannabis in fairness, just a seed/equipment advertisement magazine. Infact they shouldn't even charge for it it's so packed full of shite.
Edit: Read this thread, it's by as close to a proven "master grower" as you can get. The head of Sensi Seeds even gives his verdict on the flushing myth.
https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/409622-truth-about-flushing.html
RL420
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thats a good post
MJstudent
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correction my friend. only noobs go out of there way to SMOKE purple strains. if growing some purple is going to get you another $250/p your an idiot for not growing it. and if you calling out other people on lies id suggest leaaving a link to things when you claim to have a study show the damn study. you know the rules here, no pics it didnt happen. 5000's got the pics. you dontEDIT: Purple strains are for noobs btw
MJstudent
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when done at the end of the life cycle ad then you chop it down those would have to be some fast growing seeds
kermit2692
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ya harrekin id love to know where you get off telling this guy his method sucks when he has the pics to prove it doesnt...also you say 72 hours of dark is perfect, but you dont back that up any better than 5000 backed his method up in fact at least he has pics...that look quite good i might add...personally i have only tried the 3 days of dark myself and didnt notice a huge difference just a slight ripening maybe i will try a week next time and see what happens...also anyone who has grown should be able to tell after the very first time of flushing properly, that it is a necesity anyone who thinks flushing isnt necesary think about any fruit in the world it starts to die at the end of the season and so leaching nutes and killing the plant in essence lets it know to ripen and finish up, no science there just common sense
kermit2692
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i will say i think 3 weeks of flushing is a bit much but hey hes getting the results...if it isnt broken dont try and fix it right?
Harrekin
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I did in my last post
Plus two weeks of darkness/3 weeks of flushing at the end of flower? I can only provide a link to a Downs Syndrome charity? Cos that's the only place someone who treats their plants like that and calls themselves a grower. People pay extra for Purps? Well theres my point proven right there.
My pics are available, and unlike some I don't claim to be a "master" or an "expert", I just grow an awesome product by giving the plants as close to what they need as possible whilst avoid stupid myths and legends.
Anyone can do it, it's not exactly difficult to just give a plant what it needs/wants.
RL420
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RL420
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im just kidding man, purp strains are great, amazing bag appeal if thats what you're going for.
resinousflowers
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thats incorrect.you actually force your plants to use up its sugar reserves it has stored in its leaves which actually improves the flavour of your bud.it also helps get rid of the Chlorophyl in the leaves which also improves the final product.flushing is very important when using chemical nutrients.You don't need to stop, just gradually lessen them towards the end and then give them a nice slow dry and cure. Smooth smoke needs a slow dry and cure, don't listen to the "it's nutrients in the buds" crowd, flushers actually translocate mobile nutrients from their leaves INTO their buds by flushing
resinousflowers
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in that article it sais " Most attributes blamed on unflushed buds may be the result of unbalanced nutrition and/or OVERFERT and unproper drying/curing."
now lets face facts and admit that most ppl overfeed their plants.and if you do that then no amount of drying/curing properly will fix that.
this is another reason why flushing is essential.also there are botanists who will disagree with the administrator at Sensi Seeds.