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Dropastone

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http://www.ufodigest.com/article/why-planet-x-planet-and-not-dwarf-brown-star-nor-large-jupiter

Why Planet X is a planet and NOT a dwarf brown star nor as large as Jupiter!


Submitted by Gordon J. Gianninoto on Thu, 11/18/2010 - 12:10


by Gordon J. Gianninoto





No matter how hard I try to explain that Planet X is not a star, no matter how small or dark, there remains a stubborn hard core group that is convinced that Planet X is a star. This email is to answer those incorrect assumptions and hopefully close the books on this needless argument.



First of all, the subject was first brought up by NASA and JPL in a front page story in the Washington Post in December of 1983. Then the next day they 'retracted' the story. Funny thing because the IRAS satellite that used infrared to detect it twice six months apart, at a distance of 50 billion miles, in the direction of Orion, was sent to look for it because NASA knew for over 30 years at that point in 1983 that it was on it's way. Clearly, people must have asked that night 'what does that mean?' and they went 'Uh Oh, we can't tell people about pole shift; damn, we will have to retract that statement."



So even the people who think it is a star, agree with me that NASA spotted it in 1983 and that it is on its way into our solar system. So far, so good.



But now look at the end of the article. The temperature of the body is known by NASA to be minus 459 degrees Fahrenheit! Of course it was 50 billion miles away, but no other more sensitive infrared instrument existed before the IRAS satellite. So if what was spotted then, is Planet X, there still is no way of knowing whether it is a dead star or a dead planet. NASA did not call it a planet or a star but "A Mystery Heavenly Body Discovered, Possibly as large as Jupiter?"





So we are back to square one. They only call it a possible planet or a possible star, and they only say it is possible it is as large as Jupiter. So, unless you are in charge of a large astronomical telescope, or an orbiting satellite, or a deep space satellite, you and we do not have conclusive proof of the object either way.


But wait, let us look at the circumstantial evidence. There is a lot of it.



Has anyone read the works of the recently deceased Zecharia Sitchin? The Annunaki live on a planet that comes through our solar system every 3,657 years. It trails a twin strand of hundreds of moons, some the size of our moon, and trillions upon trillions of rocks, and a huge cloud of iron ore dust and greasy oily hydrocarbons. I do not know how anyone can ignore the fact that it is now 3,657 years since the last time it came through at the time of Joshua in the Old Testament Chapter 10 when he experienced the sun rising and doing little circles in the sky at pole shift. The planet, Niburu, is now called Planet X by the fans of Sitchin. It is 4 times the size of Earth and 23 times the mass. It is a volcanic, oceanic, atmospheric planet with selfish humans one and one half times the size of earth humans, evidently all with red hair as the statues of Easter Island show, and the giant skeletons found out west on the new episode of "Ancient Aliens" on the History Channel last week.



So if Planet X comes every 3657 years, and is spotted on the way in, and photographed almost every day by NASA, and it looks like the glyph of Niburu, "The Winged Globe" like a bird wheeling in the sky, like a globe with wings, what is left to discuss?



Well, evidently alot because if that should have solved the dispute, it didn't. So let us continue in our search for other evidence.



This next evidence is more of what no one is saying rather than what everyone is saying. I have a great sense of logic, and common sense and I put it now in a way you may not have considered.



I have been interested, very interested, in astronomy since the first international geophysical year in 1957. I have never heard what I am about to say and you have not either!



"Astronomers state there is a terrible problem with stars going through solar systems";

"For the ten thousandth time, Astronomers have photographed a star going through a solar system and disrupting planets at a minimum, and destroying them at a maximum";

"NASA working with the U.S. Government to stop stars on their way through our solar system";

"NASA at a loss to stop stars from destroying earth";

"All nations of Earth meet to discuss the terrible problem of stars coming into solar systems!".



I think you get the idea. There is no record of a star going through a solar system. Why, I don't know, but think about it, never, ever has it been seen. Oh yes, it was discussed, but by whom? Check this link out by Billy Meier on how the moon, our moon, was formed, by, a star going through a far away solar system and batting a living planet through space to be our moon: http://www.theyfly.com/Moon_Origin.htm But not even NASA knows what the moon is, how it got there, or why it is like it is. But does Billy, in his contact with ETs say a star is going to go through our solar system? As I recall, no he does not. I may be wrong, but I know that NASA has never ever even had a meeting about the problem of a star on its way to our solar system.







Now, look at the photos. I have attached a few. Planet X is not some mystical thing called 'Wormwood' out of the Bible that is below our solar system out in space. No, it is a planet trailing moons and dust that is in between the earth and the sun, and not in a straight line either. The dust picks up the sunlight and makes it glow. The planet itself does not glow, it reflects sunlight off it toward earth, if the angle is right to do that. The moons behind Planet X ripple and make the 'bird' look different, and, also sometimes line up so that the larger moons form a cross shape in the sky.



Now the ancient glyphs from Sumeria are 5,000 years old showing a winged globe and a cross. But high in the Andes are ruins with the winged globe glyph that is 18,000 years old. As the selfish ETs, the Annunaki, presented themselves as 'Gods' the symbols or glyphs are also symbols of pole shift and the return of the gods, as the sight of a winged globe or a cross or a dragon ball and a dragon tail presents itself in the sky and the earth trembles and the sun does little circles and sets in a new direction, and the gods return.







So, until any astronomer discusses stars coming through the solar system, ours or any others, as being a problem, I am going with the other explanation, recorded on historic tablets, monuments, engravings around the world, and told in every ancient culture as the story of god coming to earth, that Planet X is a planet, it is in our skies now, and it is 4 times larger than earth and going to cause pole shift, but not hit anything.



I hope this closes out the subject, but I suspect it won't.



But come on, put on your common sense hat and which shoe fits?



Now the only loose end I can see is how come IRAS said Planet X is minus 459 degrees Fahrenheit? Perhaps it was reading the cloud of moons and dust. To me, that was the most likely. The second most likely? This is very interesting. What were the Annunaki doing with all the gold they were taking from earth? If their planet spends thousands of earth years in between the two suns it sling shots back and forth between, in our binary solar system, would it not get quite cold out there in space? Would they take the gold and somehow put it in their atmosphere as a blanket? Well yes they would, as our own space craft are coated with gold as much as we can afford because, are you ready, gold blocks infrared radiation! Gold keeps the heat in or out. On Niburu, the easiest way to keep warm would be gold dust, lots of it, in the atmosphere. Maybe when it is 50 billion miles away that makes it read cold. Maybe the clouds of moons, rocks and dust made it look like something the size of Jupiter when seen from 50 billion miles away.



So, we have no follow up by NASA in 27 years since that announcement. Is there something they do not want you to know? You can count on that. Why is the space program coming to an end? Why has NASA relocated all key personnel to safe areas way inland? Why has the US government relocated to Denver Colorado and Kokomo Indiana? Why is Indonesia, and all of SE asia about to sink? Etc.



I think you get the idea, NASA does not care if you ever figure it out, because, you are expendable. I would guess the US government feels the same way about you. That is why even in 1983 BEFORE they retracted it by saying 'no we did not find it, sorry, still looking' they said 'we want to through cold water on the idea that it is coming into the solar system' . So they did discuss it before they announced it, but then they realized people would not only want to know what might happen if it did, but people would never stop asking for progress reports on where it is. Well, it came from behind the sun on the left and emerged on the right and now is 55 million miles from the sun and 34 million miles from us. It will suddenly move to 14 million miles from us, cause pole shift, and leave. My best guess is NEXT YEAR.



Would it help if all the Planet X people got on the same page? Yes, that is all we can do.​
 

mindphuk

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[video=youtube;_xFdSHbDYWw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xFdSHbDYWw[/video]

Believe the scientists or believe the crazies, your choice.
 

Dropastone

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Yet you post this retarded shit on a public internet forum? ...makes sense.
Listen man, it's just an article. I didn't say one word in that post that say's I believe in it, I just happen to find it interesting. Who ever wants to read it can decide for themselves if they want believe in it or not. You sir, can take your precious modern day science and shove it. Like I said I don't give a flying f@#k what you have to say on this subject or any other subject for that mater because you've already proved to me that you can't think for yourself. You have to let your precious scientific community do your thinking for you.
 

Sure Shot

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I find it humorous how the speaker in the video is so certain that no Planet X can exist.
Considering the fact, that we literally stumbled upon all these in recent years.
All of which, are within our Solar System.
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Padawanbater2

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Listen man, it's just an article. I didn't say one word in that post that say's I believe in it, I just happen to find it interesting. Who ever wants to read it can decide for themselves if they want believe in it or not. You sir, can take your precious modern day science and shove it. Like I said I don't give a flying f@#k what you have to say on this subject or any other subject for that mater because you've already proved to me that you can't think for yourself. You have to let your precious scientific community do your thinking for you.
"You don't let misconceptions, irrationalities, fairy tales, preconceived biased notions and figures of authority determine your reality"

Mr. Gianninoto's commentary was the thought process of a kid in grade school. He doesn't understand science for shit if he believes the things he's saying in that article.

 

Dropastone

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"You don't let misconceptions, irrationalities, fairy tales, preconceived biased notions and figures of authority determine your reality"

Mr. Gianninoto's commentary was the thought process of a kid in grade school. He doesn't understand science for shit if he believes the things he's saying in that article.

I'm the only one that determines my reality. Unlike some people I have a mind of my own that's capable considering possibilities outside of main stream science. I don't rely on some punk ass kid that's probably barely out of high school to determine it for me.

You act like a little baby that's having a temper tantrum when someone doesn't want to believe how you look at things, that are of course all in the name of science.

You sir are nothing but troll, trying to force your beliefs on people and trying to make them conform to your way of thinking. How sad is that.

If you don't like what I got to say or post, then that's just tough shit. I'm done wasting my time on you, again.

Would you like your little binky and a blanket now?
 

Padawanbater2

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I have a mind of my own that's capable considering possibilities outside of main stream science. I don't rely on some punk ass kid that's probably barely out of high school to determine it for me.

"Considering the possibilities outside mainstream science" - I'd really like to know, what is it that makes something "mainstream" in science?

You people try to pass off anything outside the realm of real science as shit that's just being oppressed by the scientific community. Ben Stein does the exact same thing with creationism. Then you bitch and moan about how everything is all a conspiracy, and that's why your ideas, just like Stein's creationism, don't slip through the cracks of the scientific method and get a free pass to fact like they used to.

Anything outside of mainstream science is pseudoscience, fantasy, fairy tale. Have fun with that.

You act like a little baby that's having a temper tantrum when someone doesn't want to believe how you look at things, that are of course all in the name of science.

No, I just get frustrated when, as far as I know, otherwise smart people fall for ridiculous claims that could be easily debunked with a basic understanding of science. It really illustrates an enormous problem our population faces.

You sir are nothing but troll, trying to force your beliefs on people and trying to make them conform to your way of thinking. How sad is that.

What belief have I forced on you?

If you don't like what I got to say or post, then that's just tough shit. I'm done wasting my time on you, again.

Dude, don't post retarded shit if you don't have the brass to at the very least discuss it. Whose acting like the baby, I mean really?

Your article was full of outrageous claims, I pointed it out, then you pulled the defensive stance and immediately claimed you didn't believe it.
 

mindphuk

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I find it humorous how the speaker in the video is so certain that no Planet X can exist.
Considering the fact, that we literally stumbled upon all these in recent years.
All of which, are within our Solar System.
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Seriously, if your argument is so weak that you have to create a straw man, just give up.

You have completely distorted what Dr. Yeomans said. He never claimed that he is certain that a planet X cannot exist. Where the hell did you get that from? He is rejecting the claim of the people that say there is a large planetary object in near earth proximity. He said there IS NO EVIDENCE. He did not say such a thing can't exist. Did you happen to notice what his job is?

BTW, Kuiper belt objects are outside the orbit of our most distant planet, are not anywhere near earth and don't have any gravitational effect on earth.
 

Dropastone

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You just don't get it man. I posted an article I thought was interesting. Just the article and I made no comments about it. Then you jump in with you snide remarks.

Dude, you do real science an incredible disservice by presenting this "planet X" theory as the least bit credible..
Yet you post this retarded shit on a public internet forum? ...makes sense.
You automatically assume I believe this to be true. Now who's attacking who here. I have no proof there is a planet X, although I do find it to be very interesting. It is you that better get your facts straight before you post all this crap that comes spewing out of your mouth. The article is there for anyone to see and they can make up there own mind as to what they think of it. and I don't plan on trying to convince anybody it's fact.

As for what you try to push on me. You've been doing it from the get go ever since are little feud started. I don't buy most of the garbage that spews from your keyboard and I don't expect you to believe what you feel that's garbage that comes off mine. You seem to be the one that is shoving your beliefs down the throats of everybody that reads this thread if it's not to your liking, but your not shoving it down mine.
 

Dropastone

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Yet you post this retarded shit on a public internet forum? ...makes sense.
Oh, another thing, the last time I checked, this is a public forum where anybody from around the world can access this board and post whatever they want without your permission, weather you like it or not.
 

Sure Shot

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Seriously, if your argument is so weak that you have to create a straw man, just give up.

You have completely distorted what Dr. Yeomans said. He never claimed that he is certain that a planet X cannot exist. Where the hell did you get that from? He is rejecting the claim of the people that say there is a large planetary object in near earth proximity. He said there IS NO EVIDENCE. He did not say such a thing can't exist. Did you happen to notice what his job is?

BTW, Kuiper belt objects are outside the orbit of our most distant planet, are not anywhere near earth and don't have any gravitational effect on earth.
I'll have to watch again.
I liked the video, and was thankful for it.
Sorry if my post come off the wrong way.
Merely trying to share info and I was certain he spoke of it in absolute terms.
But, I'll look again right now. That video was definitely worth a second look.

BTW, it's not a theory a give heavy weight too, but equal weight.;-)
 

mindphuk

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I'll have to watch again.
I liked the video, and was thankful for it.
Sorry if my post come off the wrong way.
Merely trying to share info and I was certain he spoke of it in absolute terms.
But, I'll look again right now. That video was definitely worth a second look.

BTW, it's not a theory a give heavy weight too, but equal weight.;-)
It's all good. My responses tend to be harsh when discussing science. It is just natural and very typical of discussions I have with scientists that I am debating. I still try to be respectful but have low tolerance for common fallacies.

Why would anyone give equal weight to an idea that is not supported by the evidence? This is what the ID advocates do is try to claim that their baseless claims deserve equal time in a science classroom. All ideas are not automatically equally valid.
 

Sure Shot

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Why would anyone give equal weight to an idea that is not supported by the evidence?
What do you consider "the evidence"?

This is what the ID advocates do is try to claim that their baseless claims deserve equal time in a science classroom. All ideas are not automatically equally valid.
I can completely understand this correlation, but I'm trying to tie the origins of religion and science together. I find it is quite possible our ancestors mistook alien technology for magic.
Do you find this too highly improbable?

Religion IMO is the best lie ever sold. And we know that every good lie is full of truths. Food for thought

You asked me if I read his job title and that's exactly why I found his remark at 1:37 humorous.
He states that "there is no Nibiru, no Planet X, and nothing hurdling towards Earth.."
If he was so certain of this statement then what is he doing in that program, and what has the WISE telescope been doing?

"[FONT=&quot]To date, the WISE telescope has discovered 19 comets and more than 33,500 asteroids, including 120 near-Earth objects, which are objects with orbits that pass relatively close to Earth's own orbit around the sun."[/FONT]
 

mindphuk

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What do you consider "the evidence"?
Like Donald said, the lack of telescopic and gravitational evidence. The origin of the myth was never based on anything but the claims of an abductee. I'm sorry but I cannot take that as a reason to seriously consider Nibiru as anything but science fiction. I do not subject myself to have to believe that every claim, no matter how ridiculous, deserves more than a cursory examination. When no actual evidence is found, the claim is rejected until such time that ANYONE can present actual, measurable, testable, empirical evidence.
I can completely understand this correlation, but I'm trying to tie the origins of religion and science together. I find it is quite possible our ancestors mistook alien technology for magic.
Do you find this too highly improbable?

Religion IMO is the best lie ever sold. And we know that every good lie is full of truths. Food for thought
You don't need any other explanation for claims of the religious than the most prevalent ones. There is no evidence that anything actually magical took place in earths history. Ancient alien stories are built on an argument from ignorance, not on any hard evidence. I was just watching a special on the architecture of the Roman Coliseum and the Pantheon. These were built when most humans were still living in mud huts. We have a decent understanding of how they might have built these incredible structures but no detail records. They were innovative and incredibly sophisticated using new techniques and materials. People tend to give ancient humans not enough credit for the very things that make us human, our creative ingenuity. I think religion ties in very well. The same creativeness that we used to devise and build difficult structures, is what led us to create stories about our origins.
 

Sure Shot

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From my understanding, the origin of the myth has nothing to do with abductees.
The origin of Nibiru comes from our most ancient text, Sumerian.
The speaker touched upon this, and he mentioned a different interpretation of a tablet.
It's this cultures stories, that we see parodied in mainstream religions.

Can you give me the name of that special on Roman archetecture?
 
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