CrackerJax
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The Man G*D demands worship.
The Dolphin G*D demands fish.
The Dolphin G*D demands fish.
I Have A ? For You Religious People.
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Mauihund
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I agree with you. It is easier and it is eternally more meaningful.
Stupid monkeys. No doubt because the anti-God crew like to throw their feces as people, they are probably the exception.
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PadawanBater
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Listen to yourself! "easier and eternally more meaningful".
You admit yourself you believe because it's easier to swallow than what is reality. But just because it's easier doesn't make it any more true. And you can't comment on an atheistic position and whether or not it serves as meaning to someone. We all derive our meaning from the same place, you just think God gave you yours. Meaning is subjective, as it should be. We do not all share the same meanings or purposes.
There is no such thing as an "anti-God" crew. You havn't proved your dieties existence for me to officially oppose yet, so for now, I simply remain an atheist, which is not the same as ''anti-God'' (whatever that is?). Personally I'd also consider myself an anti-theist, as I'm completely against any form of ''organized religion''.
So do you at least realize your belief system is no different than if I were to believe in unicorns? It's cool if you believe whatever... I just hope you realize that...
CrackerJax
New Member
There is a difference between NON G*D and ANTI G*D.
morgentaler
Well-Known Member
An atheist has no belief in gods.
A Christian picks one god to believe in, is certain of its unprovable existence, yet rejects thousands of others.
Which one is the bigger hypocrite.
A Christian picks one god to believe in, is certain of its unprovable existence, yet rejects thousands of others.
Which one is the bigger hypocrite.
CrackerJax
New Member
But the BOOK!!! The BOOK SAYS what I believe in is true!! The other books are false. they don't have the right book.... 
How bout just putting the books down and using a bit of good ol' common sense.
Careful, you might turn into an atheist.
How bout just putting the books down and using a bit of good ol' common sense.
Careful, you might turn into an atheist.
i just want to put my two sense in take it or leave it religion is a crutch for the weak minded to pass time or get through a rough patch man up grab those testicles an do some with yourself! and theres hella creeps in church dont say there isnt cuz theres hella kids who get molested by a priest or volunteer... human race is pretty ugly if you step back and observe thats all i have to say about religion 
Green Cross
Well-Known Member
i just want to put my two sense in take it or leave it religion is a crutch for the weak minded to pass time or get through a rough patch man up grab those testicles an do some with yourself! and theres hella creeps in church dont say there isnt cuz theres hella kids who get molested by a priest or volunteer... human race is pretty ugly if you step back and observe thats all i have to say about religion
Well freedom of religion is a right in the USA so most of you God haters, are on the losing end here.
There are more important things to worry about than a few angry lesbian ashiest.
How about the fact that the corporations own your politicians, and you could care less, because without religion you have no sense of morality. The result is rampant greed, and corruption, congratulations.
jfgordon1
Well-Known Member
Agreed, however.. just remember... Seperation of Church and State. I feel that line has been crossed...
AgreedThere are more important things to worry about than a few angry lesbian ashiest.
How about the fact that the corporations own your politicians, and you could care less, because without religion you have no sense of morality. The result is rampant greed, and corruption, congratulations.
CrackerJax
New Member
Indeed, no one minds the church, if they just stay out of the way. Do your thing, but keep it private.
The church has different ideas though, and that's where the trouble starts.
I don't hate something I don't believe exists... that would be silly.
The church has different ideas though, and that's where the trouble starts.
I don't hate something I don't believe exists... that would be silly.
Stoney McFried
Well-Known Member
Because 12 step programs are brainwashing, pure and simple.
Uh...tons of you religious folks have no real sense of morality.The religious right is the most corrupt party there is.I don't need to be threatened with an invisible being to treat others as I'd like to be treated.It's called empathy.
Uh...tons of you religious folks have no real sense of morality.The religious right is the most corrupt party there is.I don't need to be threatened with an invisible being to treat others as I'd like to be treated.It's called empathy.
How about the fact that the corporations own your politicians, and you could care less, because without religion you have no sense of morality. The result is rampant greed, and corruption, congratulations.
Stoney McFried
Well-Known Member
Italian scientist reproduces Shroud of Turin
Reuters The Turin Shroud is shown in this August 1978 file photo in negative version. An Italian scientist says
By Philip Pullella Philip Pullella Mon Oct 5, 11:30 am ET
ROME (Reuters) An Italian scientist says he has reproduced the Shroud of Turin, a feat that he says proves definitively that the linen some Christians revere as Jesus Christ's burial cloth is a medieval fake.
The shroud, measuring 14 feet, 4 inches by 3 feet, 7 inches bears the image, eerily reversed like a photographic negative, of a crucified man some believers say is Christ.
"We have shown that is possible to reproduce something which has the same characteristics as the Shroud," Luigi Garlaschelli, who is due to illustrate the results at a conference on the para-normal this weekend in northern Italy, said on Monday.
A professor of organic chemistry at the University of Pavia, Garlaschelli made available to Reuters the paper he will deliver and the accompanying comparative photographs.
The Shroud of Turin shows the back and front of a bearded man with long hair, his arms crossed on his chest, while the entire cloth is marked by what appears to be rivulets of blood from wounds in the wrists, feet and side.
Carbon dating tests by laboratories in Oxford, Zurich and Tucson, Arizona in 1988 caused a sensation by dating it from between 1260 and 1390. Sceptics said it was a hoax, possibly made to attract the profitable medieval pilgrimage business.
But scientists have thus far been at a loss to explain how the image was left on the cloth.
Garlaschelli reproduced the full-sized shroud using materials and techniques that were available in the middle ages.
They placed a linen sheet flat over a volunteer and then rubbed it with a pigment containing traces of acid. A mask was used for the face.
PIGMENT, BLOODSTAINS AND SCORCHES
The pigment was then artificially aged by heating the cloth in an oven and washing it, a process which removed it from the surface but left a fuzzy, half-tone image similar to that on the Shroud. He believes the pigment on the original Shroud faded naturally over the centuries.
They then added blood stains, burn holes, scorches and water stains to achieve the final effect.
The Catholic Church does not claim the Shroud is authentic nor that it is a matter of faith, but says it should be a powerful reminder of Christ's passion.
One of Christianity's most disputed relics, it is locked away at Turin Cathedral in Italy and rarely exhibited. It was last on display in 2000 and is due to be shown again next year.
Garlaschelli expects people to contest his findings.
"If they don't want to believe carbon dating done by some of the world's best laboratories they certainly won't believe me," he said.
The accuracy of the 1988 tests was challenged by some hard-core believers who said restorations of the Shroud in past centuries had contaminated the results.
The history of the Shroud is long and controversial.
After surfacing in the Middle East and France, it was brought by Italy's former royal family, the Savoys, to their seat in Turin in 1578. In 1983 ex-King Umberto II bequeathed it to the late Pope John Paul.
The Shroud narrowly escaped destruction in 1997 when a fire ravaged the Guarini Chapel of the Turin cathedral where it is held. The cloth was saved by a fireman who risked his life.
Garlaschelli received funding for his work by an Italian association of atheists and agnostics but said it had no effect on his results.
"Money has no odor," he said. "This was done scientifically. If the Church wants to fund me in the future, here I am."
Reuters The Turin Shroud is shown in this August 1978 file photo in negative version. An Italian scientist says
By Philip Pullella Philip Pullella Mon Oct 5, 11:30 am ET
ROME (Reuters) An Italian scientist says he has reproduced the Shroud of Turin, a feat that he says proves definitively that the linen some Christians revere as Jesus Christ's burial cloth is a medieval fake.
The shroud, measuring 14 feet, 4 inches by 3 feet, 7 inches bears the image, eerily reversed like a photographic negative, of a crucified man some believers say is Christ.
"We have shown that is possible to reproduce something which has the same characteristics as the Shroud," Luigi Garlaschelli, who is due to illustrate the results at a conference on the para-normal this weekend in northern Italy, said on Monday.
A professor of organic chemistry at the University of Pavia, Garlaschelli made available to Reuters the paper he will deliver and the accompanying comparative photographs.
The Shroud of Turin shows the back and front of a bearded man with long hair, his arms crossed on his chest, while the entire cloth is marked by what appears to be rivulets of blood from wounds in the wrists, feet and side.
Carbon dating tests by laboratories in Oxford, Zurich and Tucson, Arizona in 1988 caused a sensation by dating it from between 1260 and 1390. Sceptics said it was a hoax, possibly made to attract the profitable medieval pilgrimage business.
But scientists have thus far been at a loss to explain how the image was left on the cloth.
Garlaschelli reproduced the full-sized shroud using materials and techniques that were available in the middle ages.
They placed a linen sheet flat over a volunteer and then rubbed it with a pigment containing traces of acid. A mask was used for the face.
PIGMENT, BLOODSTAINS AND SCORCHES
The pigment was then artificially aged by heating the cloth in an oven and washing it, a process which removed it from the surface but left a fuzzy, half-tone image similar to that on the Shroud. He believes the pigment on the original Shroud faded naturally over the centuries.
They then added blood stains, burn holes, scorches and water stains to achieve the final effect.
The Catholic Church does not claim the Shroud is authentic nor that it is a matter of faith, but says it should be a powerful reminder of Christ's passion.
One of Christianity's most disputed relics, it is locked away at Turin Cathedral in Italy and rarely exhibited. It was last on display in 2000 and is due to be shown again next year.
Garlaschelli expects people to contest his findings.
"If they don't want to believe carbon dating done by some of the world's best laboratories they certainly won't believe me," he said.
The accuracy of the 1988 tests was challenged by some hard-core believers who said restorations of the Shroud in past centuries had contaminated the results.
The history of the Shroud is long and controversial.
After surfacing in the Middle East and France, it was brought by Italy's former royal family, the Savoys, to their seat in Turin in 1578. In 1983 ex-King Umberto II bequeathed it to the late Pope John Paul.
The Shroud narrowly escaped destruction in 1997 when a fire ravaged the Guarini Chapel of the Turin cathedral where it is held. The cloth was saved by a fireman who risked his life.
Garlaschelli received funding for his work by an Italian association of atheists and agnostics but said it had no effect on his results.
"Money has no odor," he said. "This was done scientifically. If the Church wants to fund me in the future, here I am."
CrackerJax
New Member
yes, but Benny Hinn is a smart dresser....
Gotta love those priest knockoff suits of his....
Gotta love those priest knockoff suits of his....
morgentaler
Well-Known Member
Freedom OF religion is freedom FROM religion. Additionally, if a being is imaginary, hating it seems rather pointless. Distaste in the actions done in the name of said imaginary entity is wholly understandable.
Provided that the "angry lesbian athiests" are making a claim for something tangible, rather than the cherry-picked words of a desert death cult spread by rampant imperialism, I would put greater weight on the importance of the lesbians.
How about the fact that the corporations own your politicians, and you could care less, because without religion you have no sense of morality. The result is rampant greed, and corruption, congratulations.
Ah, so morality comes from religion. Which religion? Which morality? Morality is subjective, and what works for your concept of morality differs from that of others.
Which morals do you cherry pick from your religion? Have you ever worked on a weekend? The bible advocates death by stoning for he who works on the sabbath. Ever wished you could have sex with a woman who you are not married to? You could be stoned for that. Eaten shellfish? That's an abomination, and you're going to hell for that after your neighbors murder you with "God's" approval.
Oh, but you don't want THAT morality, just the specific items that fit best with how you think and live.
The funny thing about people who wish for more theocratic intervention in government is that they assume that everyone else believes the same things they do, because they happen to associate within a small group of people that believes mostly the same thing.
Want religion back in school? Fine. Kids will now be educated in Islam? What? You have a problem with that? But it's a religion. How about Norse? Perfect for a highly militarized society like the US.
Ooooh, you want YOUR religion.
Okay, so which branch of Christianity do you want? The biblical literalists who believe that it's the inerrant word of "God"? Or those who consider it to be simple a book of parables with life lessons.
Which parts shall we teach on? The parts where women are considered chattel, and can be offered up for rape to supplicate the mob? Or where it's advocated that all enemies within a city be killed down to the last man, woman, child, and beast, except for the girls who have never laid with a man, whom you may take for yourselves.
Have you read your bible? I have.
The Christian god is a petty tyrant, exhibiting traits of narcissism, sociopathy, and brutality.
If you have, I'm sure you can tell me why Sodom was destroyed.
morgentaler
Well-Known Member
It's funny you use the word silly
I'm reading the book "The Power of Babel", which is a history of language (despite the title pun it's academic, not religiou
), and he refers to the origin of the word, saying that it initially meant 'santified by God'.In time it changed to mean 'innocent', then weak, and later 'foolish'.
1400 "Cely art thou, hooli virgyne marie."
1470 "Sely Scotland, that of helpe has gret neide."
1633 "Thou onely art The mightie God, but I a sillie worm."
Look out! Religion's gonna getcha!
sunshine17542
Well-Known Member
Man cannot live on bread alone
Mauihund
Active Member
Well freedom of religion is a right in the USA so most of you God haters, are on the losing end here.
There are more important things to worry about than a few angry lesbian ashiest.
How about the fact that the corporations own your politicians, and you could care less, because without religion you have no sense of morality. The result is rampant greed, and corruption, congratulations.
Daaaaaamn! That is smoken!!!! Hello repville+!
btw: I have to chill out on the reps. It may start to look like I really am trying to kiss your ass.
Ah, what the hell! Where is that booty?
kiss-ass kiss-ass kiss-ass kiss-ass
morgentaler
Well-Known Member
How about the fact that the corporations own your politicians, and you could care less, because without religion you have no sense of morality. The result is rampant greed, and corruption, congratulations.
Whoa! I can't believe I missed the implication there the first time around.
OUR politicians? You realize that in the United States it's virtually impossible for any individual to be elected to a position of any substantive power without being Christian?
So that would be YOUR politicians that are owned by the corporations.
Care to explain that?
Mauihund
Active Member
Because 12 step programs are brainwashing, pure and simple.
Uh...tons of you religious folks have no real sense of morality.The religious right is the most corrupt party there is.I don't need to be threatened with an invisible being to treat others as I'd like to be treated.It's called empathy.
Ugg! I totally agree with you! 12 step programs are brain washing people to believe they will never grow up. Just work the program, right?
And, I also agree that you don't need to be threatened with some invisible being. That happens enough without the christian church adding to it. Ohy vehy!
