sumthings wrong, need help in a bad way? +rep it u help

brasmith

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I did notice where you said what sort of mixture of fertilizer you use, and I believe how often you use it was also mentioned, but unless I missed it I did not see what type of fertilizer(s) you are using. It might help to mention that if you did not mention it so far.
 
The statement of some pictures looking like nute burn was what I also thought so that is why I asked what type of fertilizer(s) you may be using. As I am sure you know some strains are very forgiving to differing solution mixtures of fertilizers and others are not at all forgiving and depending on what someone uses even a weak solution if given to often can result in burning. Luckily there are not many such strains but it can happen.
 
The comments about checking your pH and adjusting it if needed are very valid but be sure to also check the pH level of your water. You may have started out with a pH range that was within an proper range and you may not have fed your plants enough fertilizer(s) to alter than range enough to cause lockout but if your water is way off the scale one way or the other that could be your problem, or at least some of it.
 
I would suggest giving up on the idea of watering on a set schedule and a set amount of water per watering. Depending on ever changing conditions your plant’s moisture needs will change. Also as I am sure you know plants will require more moisture as their growth progresses so if you continue to give them a set amount before long you will not be giving them enough moisture.
 
Water meters are fine if you pick a quality one but the simplest thing to do is to stick your finger into your soil, about two inches, and if it does not feel moist, or at least cool, then it is time to water.
 
While I admit it is a pain in the butt to do I like to water until there is a fair bit of runoff built up in my drip trays. Then I will wait an hour or two and check to see if the water has remained or if it has been drawn up by the soil. If much water remains I either suck it out with a turkey baster or remove the pot from the drip tray and pour off the excess.
 
When someone uses a soil with a major amount of drainage, which is good, or if they grow in pots that are to small and the soil is compacted by root growth, that is also usually in a near-root-bound condition to an actual root-bound condition, much of the water the plants are given will run through the soil and not be absorbed.

In some cases when someone uses a soil with inadequate drainage over time between root growth and the water itself working its way down through the soil channels or tunnels or whatever you would prefer to call them will be created and again much of the water the plants are given will flow through instead of being absorbed by the soil.
 
Many growers see the runoff and take it as a sign that their soil is fully saturated and that they had given their plants an adequate or even greater amount of water than needed but that will not be the case. Much of the soil will remain dry to mostly dry.
 
By allowing your pots to sit in some water for a short while, doing so will then allow your plants to take in needed moisture from the soil and then the soil will wick up moisture from the drip trays. That gives your plants enough water and also allows your soil to draw up and retain as much moisture as it is capable of holding. By allowing your pots to sit in a small amount of water for only a fairly short period of time will not be risking root rot.
 
Also as was said, I believe several times, more details would be helpful for anyone to best be able to assist you. Sometimes details that someone believes to be so minor or disconnected as to be inconsequential and therefore not worth mentioning can at times hold the key to whatever problem the grower is facing.
 
The greater the detail someone goes into the greater the chance to receive accurate helpful advice. An example might be when someone describes a current leaf condition it would be helpful to explain the very first spotted symptom. Where it was first spotted? What if any progression did it take? If there is and always was overall per leaf discoloration or did it begin at some location on the leaves and then spread? Did it begin as necrotic spotting instead of a gradual overall leaf change of color and then spread to the entire leaf? Whatever the discoloration is or necrotic spotting is, is it between the veins in the leaves and the veins have remained dark? Is there any other discoloration elsewhere on the plant, as in branches and or stems? And of course what color, if any, is it. Even with pictures at times some pictures are not exactly professional quality high definition pictures and are somewhat lacking. They can also most time’s only show the leaves themselves when a shot or several shots of the nearby branching and stem may be very helpful to see.
 
You mentioned your grow room temperature range. Was that at the top of your plants or a mid-room level average? Temperatures should be taken at the top of your canopy. Temperatures in the mid to upper 70’s range are optimal. Anything up to 85 degrees is acceptable. Temperatures above 85 degrees will cause THC to degrade. The plants may seem to be thriving in such temperatures but you will suffer a loss of overall THC production/accumulation. I doubt that is something you desire.
 
Good luck!
BRILLIANT!!!:clap::clap:

Brick Top....you are always so right on it often leaves me speechless:-o:-o and if you knew me that is reall tough to accomplish, cuz I always have some rebuttal stored up, lol.
 

oxyhydro

Active Member
I did notice where you said what sort of mixture of fertilizer you use, and I believe how often you use it was also mentioned, but unless I missed it I did not see what type of fertilizer(s) you are using. It might help to mention that if you did not mention it so far.
 
The statement of some pictures looking like nute burn was what I also thought so that is why I asked what type of fertilizer(s) you may be using. As I am sure you know some strains are very forgiving to differing solution mixtures of fertilizers and others are not at all forgiving and depending on what someone uses even a weak solution if given to often can result in burning. Luckily there are not many such strains but it can happen.
 
The comments about checking your pH and adjusting it if needed are very valid but be sure to also check the pH level of your water. You may have started out with a pH range that was within an proper range and you may not have fed your plants enough fertilizer(s) to alter than range enough to cause lockout but if your water is way off the scale one way or the other that could be your problem, or at least some of it.
 
I would suggest giving up on the idea of watering on a set schedule and a set amount of water per watering. Depending on ever changing conditions your plant’s moisture needs will change. Also as I am sure you know plants will require more moisture as their growth progresses so if you continue to give them a set amount before long you will not be giving them enough moisture.
 
Water meters are fine if you pick a quality one but the simplest thing to do is to stick your finger into your soil, about two inches, and if it does not feel moist, or at least cool, then it is time to water.
 
While I admit it is a pain in the butt to do I like to water until there is a fair bit of runoff built up in my drip trays. Then I will wait an hour or two and check to see if the water has remained or if it has been drawn up by the soil. If much water remains I either suck it out with a turkey baster or remove the pot from the drip tray and pour off the excess.
 
When someone uses a soil with a major amount of drainage, which is good, or if they grow in pots that are to small and the soil is compacted by root growth, that is also usually in a near-root-bound condition to an actual root-bound condition, much of the water the plants are given will run through the soil and not be absorbed.

In some cases when someone uses a soil with inadequate drainage over time between root growth and the water itself working its way down through the soil channels or tunnels or whatever you would prefer to call them will be created and again much of the water the plants are given will flow through instead of being absorbed by the soil.
 
Many growers see the runoff and take it as a sign that their soil is fully saturated and that they had given their plants an adequate or even greater amount of water than needed but that will not be the case. Much of the soil will remain dry to mostly dry.
 
By allowing your pots to sit in some water for a short while, doing so will then allow your plants to take in needed moisture from the soil and then the soil will wick up moisture from the drip trays. That gives your plants enough water and also allows your soil to draw up and retain as much moisture as it is capable of holding. By allowing your pots to sit in a small amount of water for only a fairly short period of time will not be risking root rot.
 
Also as was said, I believe several times, more details would be helpful for anyone to best be able to assist you. Sometimes details that someone believes to be so minor or disconnected as to be inconsequential and therefore not worth mentioning can at times hold the key to whatever problem the grower is facing.
 
The greater the detail someone goes into the greater the chance to receive accurate helpful advice. An example might be when someone describes a current leaf condition it would be helpful to explain the very first spotted symptom. Where it was first spotted? What if any progression did it take? If there is and always was overall per leaf discoloration or did it begin at some location on the leaves and then spread? Did it begin as necrotic spotting instead of a gradual overall leaf change of color and then spread to the entire leaf? Whatever the discoloration is or necrotic spotting is, is it between the veins in the leaves and the veins have remained dark? Is there any other discoloration elsewhere on the plant, as in branches and or stems? And of course what color, if any, is it. Even with pictures at times some pictures are not exactly professional quality high definition pictures and are somewhat lacking. They can also most time’s only show the leaves themselves when a shot or several shots of the nearby branching and stem may be very helpful to see.
 
You mentioned your grow room temperature range. Was that at the top of your plants or a mid-room level average? Temperatures should be taken at the top of your canopy. Temperatures in the mid to upper 70’s range are optimal. Anything up to 85 degrees is acceptable. Temperatures above 85 degrees will cause THC to degrade. The plants may seem to be thriving in such temperatures but you will suffer a loss of overall THC production/accumulation. I doubt that is something you desire.
 
Good luck!

damn, im to high right now to answer all that but ill tryto answer that soon enough tho
 

Mr.Therapy Man

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You don't need a moisture meter if your temps are staying 80-95 and your watering every 5-7 days its not overwatering. If you'll tell us what kind of nutes your using somebody here might be able to help you out. Also your probably going to have to break down and get you a cheap Ph meter from Lowe's or Home Depot. Under $10. I'm figuring since you won't buy a $10 ph meter your probably not buying ph balanced nutes. I personally like unbalanced organic fertilizers the best. Here lately I've been using advance nutrients 3 part series and iguana juice. Overall better taste with organics. A few of my outside clones did the same thing. It didn't seem to bother the plants from seed as bad. I lost a couple of clones.I got careless the last few times I fed and didn't adjust the ph. I figured since I use AN and it is 6.5 it wouldn't hurt but I also used some Earth Juice ,Age Old and some red wiggler castings. I knew better. I'm just now getting them back to being healthy and green.The best advice I can give you is to invest in a cheap ph meter and liquid test kit and quit trying to stick to a fucked up watering schedule. If your temps are running that high your plants are gonna use more water. Good Luck
 

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oxyhydro

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wtf, all the bottom leaves are turning yellow and dying, what the fuck do i no, i need help i dont no wat im doing, and i dont want the plants to die??????+rep
 

casper23

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african violet? i would have gone with the reg liquid plant food man. but if your flowering then shouldn't you be using bloom solution? you would see better results.

but looking like you got nute burn and heat stress
 

oxyhydro

Active Member
Could you provide us details on this product?
Like npk
micros
macos amd % of those

That would help alot
8/14/9

NITROGEN(N)=8%
0.7% ammoniacal nitrogen
0.4% nitrate nitrogen
6.9% urea nitrogen
available PHOSPATE(P2O5)=14%
soluble POTASH(k2o)=9%
IRON(Fe)=0.10%
0.10% chetated iron(Fe)
MANGANES(Mn)=0.5%
0.05% chelated manganese(Mn)
ZINC(Zn)=0.5%
0.05% chelated zinc(Z
 

brasmith

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8/14/9

NITROGEN(N)=8%
0.7% ammoniacal nitrogen
0.4% nitrate nitrogen
6.9% urea nitrogen
available PHOSPATE(P2O5)=14%
soluble POTASH(k2o)=9%
IRON(Fe)=0.10%
0.10% chetated iron(Fe)
MANGANES(Mn)=0.5%
0.05% chelated manganese(Mn)
ZINC(Zn)=0.5%
0.05% chelated zinc(Z
The re are some elements missing that are important:

phosphorus
potassium
sulfurcalcium
magnesium
boron
copper
molybdenum

The best place to get a food the has those things is through a 2 part bloom nutrient system from a hydro store or online. Advanced nutrients is good.
 

Slater13

Active Member
When was the last time you flushed her? If you havent flushed theres probably a build up of salts and plant waste in the medium.
 

Slater13

Active Member
If your plants are still taking 5-6 days to dry out then it sounds like the roots are drowning. Im currently 4 1/2 weeks into flowering myself with the plants in 5 gal containers and each plant takes a gallon of water every other day and the tallest plant is only 3 ft. Thats in FF Ocean Forrest with a mix of Light Warrior. Point is the plants should be consuming more water than they are especially in a smaller container like the one you're using.

I would take the advice given by others and get some things to help you monitor your plants better. Any idea what the temp is of your grow medium? Could be a problem there too. Definately listen to the dude that said to use more perlite.

Having the propor tools/ meters etc will allow you to narrow down your problems by process of elimination. If your medium temp turns out to be 70 F then you know your fine and can eliminate that as a potential problem. Se what I mean. Dont get me wrong, Im trying to figure this shit out myself but the right tools will make you and your plants life alot easier.
 

brasmith

Well-Known Member
The re are some elements missing that are important:

phosphorus
potassium
sulfur
calcium
magnesium
boron
copper
molybdenum

The best place to get a food the has those things is through a 2 part bloom nutrient system from a hydro store or online. Advanced nutrients is good.
its starting to get way werse wat should i do???????
You could start by getting a well rounded veg or bloom nutrient system. Even Miracle Grow has some systems that will work for you. If all you have is Home Depot go ther and pick up both a vegging MG and a bloom MG and give the plant a half dose of each an your next feeding. If you don't have any money, steal em......damnit:roll::?:
 

oxyhydro

Active Member
If your plants are still taking 5-6 days to dry out then it sounds like the roots are drowning. Im currently 4 1/2 weeks into flowering myself with the plants in 5 gal containers and each plant takes a gallon of water every other day and the tallest plant is only 3 ft. Thats in FF Ocean Forrest with a mix of Light Warrior. Point is the plants should be consuming more water than they are especially in a smaller container like the one you're using.

I would take the advice given by others and get some things to help you monitor your plants better. Any idea what the temp is of your grow medium? Could be a problem there too. Definately listen to the dude that said to use more perlite.

Having the propor tools/ meters etc will allow you to narrow down your problems by process of elimination. If your medium temp turns out to be 70 F then you know your fine and can eliminate that as a potential problem. Se what I mean. Dont get me wrong, Im trying to figure this shit out myself but the right tools will make you and your plants life alot easier.
i cant really get anuthing at all, im broke untill there done, there amost or more then hafe way done flowering and i just need help untill there done
 

oxyhydro

Active Member
You could start by getting a well rounded veg or bloom nutrient system. Even Miracle Grow has some systems that will work for you. If all you have is Home Depot go ther and pick up both a vegging MG and a bloom MG and give the plant a half dose of each an your next feeding. If you don't have any money, steal em......damnit:roll::?:
lol while i do have sum mg shake and feed that are those lil pepples continuous release all purpose plant food feeds up to three months but thats has way less stuff in it then wat im using:wall:
 

brasmith

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I'm glad you saw the humor in that, lol. Jeeez though i'd be tempted. Shake some of that in some water and then water the plants with it. cna't hurt may even help. might fateen them off just before the end. luck btw been there done this. puzzling isnt it

sorry about the lazy typing got stoned a few ago

DAMN just remembered if you have eye drops that has boron you could give em some of that, pmg how noval. stoned does work afterall
 

KiLLeR RiP 420

Active Member
This could be one of your problems you got some of them in see through containers/pots and roots hate light i would paint them black or put them in different containers/pots. It would make them happier.
 
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