Is the praying leaves a bad thing or good thing?

[Jjgrow420]

my last post was about slow growth. She was stunted bad in my opinion but the plant doesn’t reflect that so much. Also haven’t watered in 4 days and they still aren’t drooping in need of water. I’m impressed honestly. You’re right, I may have the wrong idea of it all. I’m trying to be 100 by the start of flower when I don’t have to be. Once buds start forming, I’m sure you want your light to go as bright as the plant can take. But while in vegetative, high intensity light isn’t as demanding as flowering stage. I posted a pic of her on here like a hour ago, the set of leaves under the ones are praying, is that how they are supposed to be? That flat look or is it still supposed to droop on the edges slightly? I just got to work so im about to have the podcast on roll while I detail some cars

It's looking just fine in that pic
That's exactly what I do while I'm working. Just rip through some info and learn some shit while I'm doing dumb tedious stuff at work that is really difficult to focus on when I rip podcasts or listen to comedy or music I can focus in great detail because my mind is occupied learning something or laughing etc.
It's been at least a month or so since I've listened to it so I can't remember everything I heard so maybe I'll stick it on again after lunch and refresh it

 

[AlmightyJumpman]

It's looking just fine in that pic
That's exactly what I do while I'm working. Just rip through some info and learn some shit while I'm doing dumb tedious stuff at work that is really difficult to focus on when I rip podcasts or listen to comedy or music I can focus in great detail because my mind is occupied learning something or laughing etc.
It's been at least a month or so since I've listened to it so I can't remember everything I heard so maybe I'll stick it on again after lunch and refresh it

Ok I just finished listening to it. Definitely informative, it could be that I need more air circulation. Or my vpd is too low or high, what is the vpd for vegetative? The cycles he was talking about was more for flower and it made a lot of since. 12/12 is still that sweet spot but if you shorten it to 11/13 the buds mature better but it’s downsides to everything. I like all the number talk, trying to figure out the small. More reading between the lines if anything. I’m going to try something different for about a week. Remember my name, I’ll be right back on this forum if I need any tips but I’m definitely going to come back once buds start growing. She is a 60 indica/ 40 sativa

 

[AlmightyJumpman]

It's looking just fine in that pic
That's exactly what I do while I'm working. Just rip through some info and learn some shit while I'm doing dumb tedious stuff at work that is really difficult to focus on when I rip podcasts or listen to comedy or music I can focus in great detail because my mind is occupied learning something or laughing etc.
It's been at least a month or so since I've listened to it so I can't remember everything I heard so maybe I'll stick it on again after lunch and refresh it

If they look fine, I’ll keep them where it’s at. From the last time we were talking last night, I changed my light to 65% and my humidity is 75%. Maybe go to 65% and see how she reacts

 

[Soil Growth]

In my opinion,

Praying leaves are the plant's way of asking for more light.

Flat, wide stretched leaves are the plant showing the amount of light is adequate.

Droopy leaves mean too much light and the leaves are trying to hide.


If your little plant was water-logged, stunted and struggling, it didn't need much light.

As conditions improved, and your plant was taking up nutrients better and growing stronger, it became ready for more light. That's why the leaves began to pray and reach up for more light. You were doing everything right, and your plant was responding. Keep on that track!

As you go through your grow, keep an eye on your leaves. Try to keep them flat and happy. When you get a handle on watering, feeding and controlling your environment, with the right amount of light, your plant will grow healthier and stronger. And then start praying again. That's when you turn the lights up a little 5-10%. Until the leaves are flat and happy again. And continue on like that.

If you ever go too far and turn the lights up too high, the leaves will show you by drooping. Like they're trying to get away from the light. In that case, turn the lights back down and chill out for a couple days until the leaves look happy again.

In my opinion.

 

[AlmightyJumpman]

In my opinion,

Praying leaves are the plant's way of asking for more light.

Flat, wide stretched leaves are the plant showing the amount of light is adequate.

Droopy leaves mean too much light and the leaves are trying to hide.


If your little plant was water-logged, stunted and struggling, it didn't need much light.

As conditions improved, and your plant was taking up nutrients better and growing stronger, it became ready for more light. That's why the leaves began to pray and reach up for more light. You were doing everything right, and your plant was responding. Keep on that track!

As you go through your grow, keep an eye on your leaves. Try to keep them flat and happy. When you get a handle on watering, feeding and controlling your environment, with the right amount of light, your plant will grow healthier and stronger. And then start praying again. That's when you turn the lights up a little 5-10%. Until the leaves are flat and happy again. And continue on like that.

If you ever go too far and turn the lights up too high, the leaves will show you by drooping. Like they're trying to get away from the light. In that case, turn the lights back down and chill out for a couple days until the leaves look happy again.

In my opinion.

Thanks man. Not just asking these questions for me. Before I even got started I had so many questions and this forum came up a lot. So some other new growers can get a grip on things. Just showing them it’s lots of different perspectives. So hopefully with the questions I asked, it’s a decent start. I got this far just off a YouTube series (granted I have everything he had and not just faucet water, soil, and a plant) I definitely have some ideas for my next grow thanks to you all

 

[Jimski]

In my opinion,

Praying leaves are the plant's way of asking for more light.

Flat, wide stretched leaves are the plant showing the amount of light is adequate.

Droopy leaves mean too much light and the leaves are trying to hide.


If your little plant was water-logged, stunted and struggling, it didn't need much light.

As conditions improved, and your plant was taking up nutrients better and growing stronger, it became ready for more light. That's why the leaves began to pray and reach up for more light. You were doing everything right, and your plant was responding. Keep on that track!

As you go through your grow, keep an eye on your leaves. Try to keep them flat and happy. When you get a handle on watering, feeding and controlling your environment, with the right amount of light, your plant will grow healthier and stronger. And then start praying again. That's when you turn the lights up a little 5-10%. Until the leaves are flat and happy again. And continue on like that.

If you ever go too far and turn the lights up too high, the leaves will show you by drooping. Like they're trying to get away from the light. In that case, turn the lights back down and chill out for a couple days until the leaves look happy again.

In my opinion.

Can I get a witness

 

[Hollatchaboy]

Yes this is exactly what we are talking about. View attachment 5451164View attachment 5451165
I turned my light down to 65% annd bump my rh up by 5 so im at 75 RH. I’ll anwe how that goes, then I’ll turn it down. Just trying to expose the issue and it’s still doing it. My leaves are praying at big time at 75%. Maybe I should go a little lower on the power, it so many different opinions. I love it though. Everyone’s a genius in my eyes

In my plants case, they get the praying leaves, but no droop at the end of the day, so I figure it's a good thing. Also they still seem to grow just as rapid. I'm probably wrong, though I see the corn in the field doing it too. Seems counter productive, for the plants to put the leaves up higher, if they're actually trying to get them further away from the light source. This is just my opinion though.

 

[Boatguy]

I feel like the praying is just the branches competing for the highest spot. Never viewed it as a problem.
Highest position with most light has the best chance for maturing

 

[AlmightyJumpman]

In my opinion,

Praying leaves are the plant's way of asking for more light.

Flat, wide stretched leaves are the plant showing the amount of light is adequate.

Droopy leaves mean too much light and the leaves are trying to hide.


If your little plant was water-logged, stunted and struggling, it didn't need much light.

As conditions improved, and your plant was taking up nutrients better and growing stronger, it became ready for more light. That's why the leaves began to pray and reach up for more light. You were doing everything right, and your plant was responding. Keep on that track!

As you go through your grow, keep an eye on your leaves. Try to keep them flat and happy. When you get a handle on watering, feeding and controlling your environment, with the right amount of light, your plant will grow healthier and stronger. And then start praying again. That's when you turn the lights up a little 5-10%. Until the leaves are flat and happy again. And continue on like that.


In my opinion.

In my opinion,

Praying leaves are the plant's way of asking for more light.

Flat, wide stretched leaves are the plant showing the amount of light is adequate.

Droopy leaves mean too much light and the leaves are trying to hide.


If your little plant was water-logged, stunted and struggling, it didn't need much light.

As conditions improved, and your plant was taking up nutrients better and growing stronger, it became ready for more light. That's why the leaves began to pray and reach up for more light. You were doing everything right, and your plant was responding. Keep on that track!

As you go through your grow, keep an eye on your leaves. Try to keep them flat and happy. When you get a handle on watering, feeding and controlling your environment, with the right amount of light, your plant will grow healthier and stronger. And then start praying again. That's when you turn the lights up a little 5-10%. Until the leaves are flat and happy again. And continue on like that.

If you ever go too far and turn the lights up too high, the leaves will show you by drooping. Like they're trying to get away from the light. In that case, turn the lights back down and chill out for a couple days until the leaves look happy again.

In my opinion.

You think I can start my mainline or wait until the 6th node pops open?

 

[Soil Growth]

For sure wait! If you top too soon you'll stress out your plant and it will be all stunted or stop growing again. You for sure don't want that.

And while you're waiting, think about not main-lining at all. I know it looks cool and it's fun to mess around when you're new, but I think it's pretty unnecessary.

 

[chuckeye]

You think I can start my mainline or wait until the 6th node pops open?

The thinking about waiting until the 6th node is the roots are more developed and depending on how your plant is growing the additional height may be of benefit.

Then top above the fourth node and if mainlining remove the first through third nodes.

I prefer quadlining

Columbian Gold



Cheers

 

[AlmightyJumpman]

Your plant looks perfectly healthy and does not appear to be praying excessively !

Even with the leaves up to 45 degrees from vertical it is still just fine....

As to the power, I use a simple lux meter app on my phone.

Use a conversion factor of .0125 to get the par value of a full spectrum LED.

Between the stage of growth and the appearance of the plant adjust accordingly.

IIRC at your stage of growth I would be at 30,000 lux.

Cheers

The ss

For sure wait! If you top too soon you'll stress out your plant and it will be all stunted or stop growing again. You for sure don't want that.

And while you're waiting, think about not main-lining at all. I know it looks cool and it's fun to mess around when you're new, but I think it's pretty unnecessary.

i just want those fat nugs tbh, I’m in a 2x2x4 so I’m limited with space. I’ve watched enough lst videos, I can train them but I also feel once I come across that point I won’t know what to do or I’ll be asking someone again. Mainlining seemed somewhat simple enough, I got the galvanized stakes. Just don’t snap any tops and a longer veg time. Any tips on lst that you might do different? If I’m not mainlining, I definitely want to top soon but idk the right time. I know for fact she is thirsty but that upper growth is the 6th node. With the 7th coming in slowly but surely

 

[AlmightyJumpman]

The thinking about waiting until the 6th node is the roots are more developed and depending on how your plant is growing the additional height may be of benefit.

Then top above the fourth node and if mainlining remove the first through third nodes.

I prefer quadlining

Columbian Gold

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Cheers

Beautiful, your harvest will be plentiful. I’m sure of it. Instead I’m going to leave 4 branches instead of just 2 starting off and go from there. How long did it take to get to that point?

 

[chuckeye]

Beautiful, your harvest will be plentiful. I’m sure of it. Instead I’m going to leave 4 branches instead of just 2 starting off and go from there. How long did it take to get to that point?

That was day 41...

Cheers

 

[fishwater]

Me personally I think she looks absolutely gorgeous, my first time growing anything and the green foliage is so stunning to me. But aside from how aping to tell youpealing she looks, is the praying leaves a good or bad thing? My light is the aero light se100w and I’m in a 2x2x4 tent and my lights are on 70% right now. I don’t know if that’s too much light because they are kind of curling a tad bit but if I’m going off of my leaves, I haven’t had light burn ever. I don’t if I need to turn it up or lower it more. I was at 75 yesterday, did some research about the curling leaves and what to look for. For vivosuns vegetative program on the grow hub, the lights are supposed to be on 80% right now. And flower is 100%. The light is 18 inches from the canopy

you can't always go with the manufacturer's recommendation I would watch the leaves if they are still praying at the end of the light cycle I would turn it up if they droop or curl turn it down some always pay attention to the leaves and you will learn what they are trying to tell you hope that helps good luck!

 

[cat shit]

Me personally I think she looks absolutely gorgeous, my first time growing anything and the green foliage is so stunning to me. But aside from how appealing she looks, is the praying leaves a good or bad thing? My light is the aero light se100w and I’m in a 2x2x4 tent and my lights are on 70% right now. I don’t know if that’s too much light because they are kind of curling a tad bit but if I’m going off of my leaves, I haven’t had light burn ever. I don’t if I need to turn it up or lower it more. I was at 75 yesterday, did some research about the curling leaves and what to look for. For vivosuns vegetative program on the grow hub, the lights are supposed to be on 80% right now. And flower is 100%. The light is 18 inches from the canopy

Your plant is fine I wouldn't change anything as @JGrow mentioned if it's drooping a few hrs before lights out something is not quite right maybe to much light maybe something environmental. These plants stay upright for the whole 18hrs they are under a 630watt fixture @ 24 inches at 50% and are getting 450 to 500 ppfd. Had to turn the light down from 75% because 4 hrs before lights out they were drooping badly. The plant will always let you know how they feel.

 

[cat shit]

It's looking just fine in that pic
That's exactly what I do while I'm working. Just rip through some info and learn some shit while I'm doing dumb tedious stuff at work that is really difficult to focus on when I rip podcasts or listen to comedy or music I can focus in great detail because my mind is occupied learning something or laughing etc.
It's been at least a month or so since I've listened to it so I can't remember everything I heard so maybe I'll stick it on again after lunch and refresh it

Here is a classic example of healthy plants praying they were getting 650ppfd 18/6 autos @ 7 weeks from sprout

 

[StonedGardener]

It means that they are happy !

 

[Poltrack]

Listen to that podcast, it may open your eyes to some new ideas about why leaves pray.

It's simply called phototropism. It can be positive or negative.


Negative phototropism on an ERSB.

 

[StonedGardener]

It's simply called phototropism. It can be positive or negative.

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Negative phototropism on an ERSB.

With the light cycle being constant ( disregarding the shift fom vegging to flowering)why would the plant's leaves pray and then
" repent" while under same light intensity . I've never heard of negative phototropism. I've never heard of it being quantified. Then again, I've never heard a lot of things. I know one thing. This up and down thing is really not understood by anyone. So many variables involved......water,nutrients,air flow
CO2 levels,humidity etc. It's never been definitively explained. Some top dogs in this field of plant physiology say it's a huge waste of time even trying to. Stay chill stoner dude. Happy motoring!