Horselover fat
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You'll find a lot of the vocal proponents of flat earth don't actually believe in flat earth.
I just can't
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Drop That Sound
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The horizon is still at eye level when you fly btw.. When you look out the windows, it’s still going all the way around you, and always does. Stays level to your head, and not “down” under you. Even the highest altitude balloons, ones that actually provide real camera footage show a flat horizon, when there isn’t any fishy lenses or spin involved. They sure don't have to point down to look either, just straight out, and there is always earth at the line. Everything else your shown beyond that is fake cgi, and always has been. No one has physically seen a "globe" earth in any shape or form that wasn't manipulated\fabricated on a computer, or 3d modeled for a video or photos, etc. They literally even admit that its all CGI, and based off models and simulations. Now they want to use laser imaging tech starting next year, so they can show you HD virtual reality of the moon that looks like a video game, and you guys will believe that too, lol!
Drop That Sound
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Staggering discovery reveals moon lies INSIDE Earth’s atmosphere
The Earth’s atmosphere is much bigger than previously thought, extending far beyond the Moon, a team of scientists have revealed. The amazing discovery was made thanks to data that has been sitting unexamined for over 20 years.
Earth's atmosphere stretches out to the moon – and beyond
The gaseous layer that wraps around Earth reaches up to 630,000 kilometers away, or 50 times the diameter of our planet, according to a new study based on observations by the ESA/NASA Solar and Heliospheric Observatory, SOHO, and published in AGU's Journal of Geophysical Research: Space Physics.
Earth's Atmosphere Extends Far Beyond the Moon
Scientists use measurements taken 20 years ago to find the atmosphere reaches almost 400,000 miles into space.
www.newsweek.com
If this space study is right, humans have never left Earth’s atmosphere
A new study redefines the boundaries of our planet.
www.pbs.org
Anyone remember a few years back.. when the space club all the sudden admitted the moon is right here in earths atmosphere, and that no man has never left it? They even claim now that the moon is basically right in the middle of it, between where the ceiling of a dome and the earth would be, just like the FE models show (except the moon is much closer, and probably not a solid object).
"The moon flies through Earth's atmosphere," says Igor Baliukin of Russia's Space Research Institute, lead author of the paper presenting the results. "We were not aware of it until we dusted off observations made over two decades ago by the SOHO spacecraft."
weedstoner420
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I don't understand how this discovery contradicts any round-earth models...? The geocorona is just a cloud of hydrogen atoms surrounding the earth, and they found out it's bigger than previously thought, big deal...Staggering discovery reveals moon lies INSIDE Earth’s atmosphere
The Earth’s atmosphere is much bigger than previously thought, extending far beyond the Moon, a team of scientists have revealed. The amazing discovery was made thanks to data that has been sitting unexamined for over 20 years.www.rt.com
Earth's atmosphere stretches out to the moon – and beyond
The gaseous layer that wraps around Earth reaches up to 630,000 kilometers away, or 50 times the diameter of our planet, according to a new study based on observations by the ESA/NASA Solar and Heliospheric Observatory, SOHO, and published in AGU's Journal of Geophysical Research: Space Physics.phys.org
Earth's Atmosphere Extends Far Beyond the Moon
Scientists use measurements taken 20 years ago to find the atmosphere reaches almost 400,000 miles into space.
If this space study is right, humans have never left Earth’s atmosphere
A new study redefines the boundaries of our planet.
Anyone remember a few years back.. when the space club all the sudden admitted the moon is right here in earths atmosphere, and that no man has never left it? They even claim now that the moon is basically right in the middle of it, between where the ceiling of a dome and the earth would be, just like the FE models show (except the moon is much closer, and probably not a solid object).
"The moon flies through Earth's atmosphere," says Igor Baliukin of Russia's Space Research Institute, lead author of the paper presenting the results. "We were not aware of it until we dusted off observations made over two decades ago by the SOHO spacecraft."
Wastei
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"I just really want to be a special snowflake like my mommy told me! Everyone is stupid and wrong! I'm right no matter what evidence is put right in front of my eyes! As long as I feel special and different everything's good!" - The flat earthers mentalityDon't worry, china is gonna bring back a sample as proof that the far side even exist.
They won't accidentally lose the samples like NASA did either this time, haha. They'll be sure to take super grainy not high res photos for you of the probe landing, but also forget to take pics of the other famous landing sites on the way out, because that isn't important to understanding how to build new moon bases on the dark side. Like, why would you wanna know how the things we left have held up on the surface for so long? Oh, and no one is allowed to fly within 80 miles of them, because NASA owns that part of the moon. Even though we have high tech spy cams supposedly orbiting outer earth space that can see your nose hairs, but we can't seem to hack the go pro's that cost billions of dollars more to see the rover and flag as they fly just over the no fly zone on all the latest moon missions..
That's not a very healthy approach to operate in this world, being ego driven and only act and operating on your feelings while dismissing all of the evidence and hard work done by scientists through generations. I see a total lack of appreciation and respect. All the best of luck to you in your endeavors!
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ooof-da
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Rather than quoting multiple storylines using this picture (showing a round earth) taken from the moon (I know I know it’s not solid and we never landed there in your mind but bear with me) as an example of scientific studies being correlated why not consider that the moon and the earth are round like all the other planets you can see (literally can see your own eyes and a $4k telescope?Staggering discovery reveals moon lies INSIDE Earth’s atmosphere
The Earth’s atmosphere is much bigger than previously thought, extending far beyond the Moon, a team of scientists have revealed. The amazing discovery was made thanks to data that has been sitting unexamined for over 20 years.
Earth's atmosphere stretches out to the moon – and beyond
The gaseous layer that wraps around Earth reaches up to 630,000 kilometers away, or 50 times the diameter of our planet, according to a new study based on observations by the ESA/NASA Solar and Heliospheric Observatory, SOHO, and published in AGU's Journal of Geophysical Research: Space Physics.
Earth's Atmosphere Extends Far Beyond the Moon
Scientists use measurements taken 20 years ago to find the atmosphere reaches almost 400,000 miles into space.
If this space study is right, humans have never left Earth’s atmosphere
A new study redefines the boundaries of our planet.
(except the moon is much closer, and probably not a solid object).
I mean there is no possible reason the scientific community would even introduce this photo if it were fake…they would just use an artist rendering no? plus it seems sorta counter productive to use these in your argument for a flat earth to me but maybe there just isn’t enough photos of the flat earth out there.
I am being respectful of your views, just trying to understand with so much evidence, some we can prove ourselves, taking out the skepticism of a lying government/fake movie production, how god is such a powerful canclationer? I mean wouldn’t he/her have made round things too?
Horselover fat
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Yes, it's obvious we live on a globe, but why don't you know how to prove the flat earth thories are wrong? They should be easy to dismiss since the truth is obvious. I know my reaction is to ridicule and then to look up the answer. Luckily smarter people than me know the proofs and the internet delivers them just by doing a google search. Doing the work of finding the answer makes me smarter (maybe).
Anyway, this was touched on the last page; I made this pic so I know it's more or less to scale. It's the earth and the black dot is iss (iss size not to scale of course) at it's highest point in it's orbit (420km/260mi). The red lines show the field of view one would have if they had an extreme wide angle lens and took a picture. I don't think a 10mm ff lens has ever been used on the iss (i could be wrong!) so the field of view is very forgiving. Actual fov in photos would be much more narrow. This 10mm ff lens gives a horizontal fov of 120° and your smart phone camera gives a horizontal view of maybe 80-90°.
Drop That Sound
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How does it prove round earth models?
weedstoner420
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I don't think it does. It just proves that the cloud of hydrogen atoms that scientists call the geocorona is bigger than previously thought, and it happens to extend beyond the moon.
Drop That Sound
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Where did they think it extended to before the recent discovery, and why would they let data that costed millions of dollars to obtain sit around for 20 years, and literally collect dust on it?
Drop That Sound
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I never said they weren't round
As for the rest of the stars and planets (aka wandering stars)..
They are just sonoluminescent lights, flickering at different frequencies through the dome. That's what you'll see in any telescope. Any one that isn't hooked directly to the network somehow. Like all the so called high end government issued ones, that seem to be downloading the images directly from the "official" space psyop HQs as they are processed.
weedstoner420
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From the RT article you shared: "it was, until now, thought to be about 200,000 kilometres (124,000 miles) from Earth."
From the PBS article you shared: "Back in the 1990s, Bertaux directed SWAN’s original and primary mission: to monitor solar wind, a constant barrage of charged particles flowing out of the sun. Bertaux is now at least nominally retired, but in his “free time,” his attention floats back to some of the long-overlooked, side-project data he collected in his 55-year career.
With Igor Baliukin, a physicist at Russia’s Space Research Institute and the study’s lead author, Bertaux delved back into images of the Earth taken by SWAN in 1996, 1997 and 1998."
Sounds to me like the data was originally collected for a different purpose, and some nerds decided to look at it again to see if they could find anything new and interesting.
ooof-da
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If I take a penny and put it under a microscope while on its edge it doesn’t look like a round thing at all, it looks more like what I imagine a flat earth would if they existed anyway lol. You are saying if that penny was outside “the dome” it would appear round??I never said they weren't round
They are just sonoluminescent lights, flickering at different frequencies through the dome. That's what you'll see in any telescope. Any one that isn't hooked directly to the network somehow.
Why can’t I go inspect this dome - it must connect to the earth somewhere?
Wastei
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You just have to be an observant rational thinking individual. I've been at sea for months on end and seen to many ports arriving far away in the horizon.
First you typically see the tip of the loading cranes before anything else. Then you slowly see other buildings and ships gradually arriving. If that's not proof enough I don't know what is? When you see a phenomena clearly with your own eyes!
I guess there's a lot of people that have a hard time visualizing and simulate scenarios in their own head?
Watching a droplets of water forming spheres out of gravitational force and surface tension is another phenomenon you should have wondered about since you were a kid? No?
Horselover fat
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Like I said; it's obvious we live on globe. I'm referring to the theories the flatters come up with. It's obvious they are wrong since the earth is not flat, but it's not like I can come up with why each of the theory is wrong. For many I can work it out by myself, but for others I need help from smarter people. Some of the theories are plain dumb, but some seem to be made up by people who are way too smart to believe in flat earth.
Drop That Sound
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There is no edge to fall off. If anything, there is probably a wall coming up through the blue ice. You can't imagine the flat earth from the same perspective they indoctrinated us from young age... Its not like a disc with edges floating around through space in glass like the heliocentric planetary models, lol. There is no "space" to be able to look back at it from like that. No one that doesn't already know has any real idea exactly whats on the other side, and therefor the exact dimensions or anything. Its more like a matrix computer simulation IMO, consisting of pure energy and vibes, created by gods word.
The reason you can't find out if there is an edge (FFS, there probably is, with a massive waterfall and everything, and you're right) is because no one is allowed down past the 60th parallel south, aka Antarctica, and the treaty protecting it. See the previous video I posted the other day on why that is..
More on the penny thing though.. You can literally use sound waves to manifest 3d objects that can appear in many different mediums, and manipulate them into any possible shape there is.. Even like a realistic looking hologram. So yes, you could make something appear 3d, or change a flat line into a sphere. And yes, you can even use domes and lenses for even crazier effects, in higher dimensions too. You can even make the rings like saturn has appear at the right frequencies.
I'm pretty sure they've used the surface of a penny many times to help design textures for their cgi images of fake planets...
waterproof808
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Its not up to you to prove their theories wrong, the burden of proof is on flat earthers to prove that their theories are actually correct and they have yet to publish anything supporting their claims that isnt easily debunked.
Horselover fat
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Me proving or not proving them has no bearing on if the world is flat or not (it isn't). I am not out to prove it to anyone else. I want to understand how things work for myself. When someone presents me with an obviously wrong theory I want to understand why it is wrong and what is real. When I look it up I gain information. If I just go: "that's bullshit" and forget about it I gained nothing. Shit I don't understand intrigues me.
TheWholeTruth
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But I also said how would day work on the edges. Obviously you can't believe the earth is like a piece of paper and has no thicknes. So for example its flat yet a mile or two or what ever you want it to be thick. Now when that mile or two faces the sun for an hour and turns under its going to be dark for the next 23 hours on that mile edge yeah. And then how would the seasons work. Time we measure and based on roatation of the earth a flat piece would throw that out. The seasons work on the tilt. The moon gets lit up by the sun and the light reflects off it. We see the moon cycles. The gravity of the moon can effect the sea and you can even effect seed germination by it. It wouldn't work the same if your saying the earth is shaped like a flatish box shape. The star positions wouldn't work as they do, the day light wouldn't work the same way and neither would the night. The stars have been plotted for along long time. You can even see them through a telescope. And the ultimate is when the round ball like earth comes between the sun and the moon, you get to see the shape of the earth and you see the moon slowly cycle round while the earth spins.
Drop That Sound
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You know dang well that every possible avenue a flat earther could ever use to prove their point is made f'ing impossible by powers that be.
I don't wanna hear how flatties accidentally proved themselves wrong on some government funded documentaries or any of that nonsense either, because they're all controlled opposition. Most of FE stuff is.
Whats the easiest way to hide the true flat earth? Behind another flat earth theory, with edges and waterfalls, and cats knocking it over, etc.. lol.