Elons Little Plan

[cannabineer]

Im not sure any legit company would take on the risk now that they have their own lines picking up. Especially after hearing the horror stories on people trying to get them serviced. And personally I think he is just another spoiled rich idiot, and not anything special at all for taking credit of people he paid to do his work all his life.

And after he got deep into this 'owning of the libs' style of fascism and has been since he was in business with that douchebag from PayPal, he is now getting caught holding the bag for them after running a emerging green tech company and one of the largest social media empires into the ground here in America, and is about to see all the hard work of the people working in his companies crashing down. Which won't hurt him or his dictator buddies at all, because it suits their wants. Because he got a shit ton of government money and data to give to our foreign enemies to attack us with to keep him relevant for a long time.

Maybe this is not as much about SpaceX, because from what I am pretty sure I read (so might be bullshit) they kept him far away from the actual decision making. But tanking Tesla and turning Twitter into a national danger seems like more the plan than a mistake from my point of view.

As for Spacex, Falcon 9 is undeniably the product to beat worldwide. (And there is room. New Glenn has more weight to orbit and a methalox first stage. The next big thing will be recovering the orbital stage.) However its chosen successor Shartsip bears many marks of creative involvement by top management. I am very curious to see how it will perform.

 

[hanimmal]

As for Spacex, Falcon 9 is undeniably the product to beat worldwide. (And there is room. New Glenn has more weight to orbit and a methalox first stage. The next big thing will be recovering the orbital stage.) However its chosen successor Shartsip bears many marks of creative involvement by top management. I am very curious to see how it will perform.

As long as it doesn't look like a giant white penis, and able to re-enter in a way that it is able to be retrieved (not more space junk), I'm in.

 

[cannabineer]

As long as it doesn't look like a giant white penis, and able to re-enter in a way that it is able to be retrieved (not more space junk), I'm in.

Good news on both fronts. New Glenn looks delightfully conventional. It was supposed to fly last year, and the most recent (and surely obsolete) news I can find says this month.

The FCC has a mandate that nonfunctional stuff in low orbit must have a provision to deorbit in five years max. Falcon 9’s second stage reserves a bit of propellant for after putting its payload into orbit. It uses that to spoil the S2 orbit enough so that it reenters within a day or two. Now if only the Chinese would get the memo; their LM6 orbital stages are big and are let to reenter wherever. They’ve been in the news for this bad space citizenship.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Good news on both fronts. New Glenn looks delightfully conventional. It was supposed to fly last year, and the most recent (and surely obsolete) news I can find says this month.

The FCC has a mandate that nonfunctional stuff in low orbit must have a provision to deorbit in five years max. Falcon 9’s second stage reserves a bit of propellant for after putting its payload into orbit. It uses that to spoil the S2 orbit enough so that it reenters within a day or two. Now if only the Chinese would get the memo; their LM6 orbital stages are big and are let to reenter wherever. They’ve been in the news for this bad space citizenship.

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i'm waiting on a piece of chinese space craft to hit something important...i've been expecting it since they allowed Tiangong to just decay and fall where it wanted

 

[cannabineer]

i'm waiting on a piece of chinese space craft to hit something important...i've been expecting it since they allowed Tiangong to just decay and fall where it wanted

They’ve been doing the same with LM6 stages.

 

[cannabineer]

They’ve been doing the same with LM6 stages.

wups, wrong. It’s the LM5 core stage. 22 tons empty.

New Long March 5B Uncontrolled Reentry Tracked by Aerospace's Experts | The Aerospace Corporation

Aerospace's experts at the Center for Orbital and Reentry Debris Studies (CORDS) are actively tracking the CZ-5B rocket body and intend to share their reentry predictions as sufficient data becomes available.

aerospace.org

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

now the question is, was this operator error, or muck trying to commit negligent homicide?
i know which answer i'm expecting, but i'll withhold judgement till there is more info.
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/peninsula/tesla-plunges-over-cliff-at-devils-slide/3118470/

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

from Boingboing
Elon Musk makes yet another strange gaffe
Grant St. Clair 4:11 pm Mon Jan 2, 2023

image: (screenshot, The Joe Rogan Experience)

If there's one thing Elon Musk loves, it's posting weird right-wing memes on Twitter instead of working on his increasingly dysfunctional companies. His turn from quirky crypto-libertarian to 'own the libs' right-winger was likely motivated by the audience and attention it gets him, and the world's second-richest man is stuck in yet another petty online argument. In this one, he rags on self-assigned pronouns as per usual, and pulls out quite a bizarre statement as sort of an attempted 'gotcha': "I'm not cis, you are."
It's comically possible that even after everything, this weirdly out-of-touch man simply misunderstands that 'cis' means 'not trans'—but I think it's so much funnier to imagine Elon Musk coming out in the midst of yet another online shitfit. Congratulations, queen. I'm proud of you.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Elon took a big hit in 2022, mostly due to Twitter and increasing EV competition. Word is Elon has a plan for a dirt cheap EV is 2023, as in $12,500 USD after rebates. However hype won't make money, selling cars will and if he can sell an EV (that works) for that cheap that has enough range, he should sell a lot of them and force other automakers to follow the price point for the low end market.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/02/investing/elon-musk-wealth/index.html

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Elon took a big hit in 2022, mostly due to Twitter and increasing EV competition. Word is Elon has a plan for a dirt cheap EV is 2023, as in $12,500 USD after rebates. However hype won't make money, selling cars will and if he can sell an EV (that works) for that cheap that has enough range, he should sell a lot of them and force other automakers to follow the price point for the low end market.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/02/investing/elon-musk-wealth/index.html

I read the article about the cheaper tesla...It could work, but as more and more bugs pop up in the standard issue tesla, it's going to drive down interest in any Tesla, no matter the price.
This was my honest reaction to seeing these two pieces of news in fairly quick succession...."Hmm, well at 12,500 i might buy one of the fucking things, even though i'd rather light money on fire than give it to muck."....Then i saw the story about a brother and sister having to charge their rented Tesla 4 and 5 times a day when they went into cold weather, and thought "Ok...Fuck tesla, no matter how cheap they get...A car you can only drive in the summer is fucking useless to me." Not to mention all the other problems teslas have...Where's the self driving feature? They accelerate for no reason, randomly, they sold vehicles with a battery flaw that could make them catch fire, they've been trying to cover up recalls of critical parts by calling them "goodwill" repairs...And making customers sign NDAs....For fucking repairing the shit they fucked up? I wouldn't sign that shit, and i'd be all over the news about it....They claimed they got a 5.4 on NHTSA ratings...NHTSA ratings only go up to 5...They told tesla that, and to quit using their name in their lies. They just had to recall over 30K vehicles in China, because the FUCKING WHEELS ARE FALLING THE FUCK OFF...Their latest stupidity was making the video game deck work while the car was in motion...So now the NHTSA is investigating them over that little pearl of fucking idiocy...
IF they gave me $12,500...Well, i think i'd still turn it down, and spend my own money for a vehicle that isn't a 100% piece of shit, manufactured by a 100% piece of shit.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

a link in that ^ led me to this...has the motherfucker EVER cared about green tech? i tend to doubt it...
https://www.marketplace.org/2021/08/27/does-tesla-actually-want-competitors-to-make-electric-cars/

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

I read the article about the cheaper tesla...It could work, but as more and more bugs pop up in the standard issue tesla, it's going to drive down interest in any Tesla, no matter the price.
This was my honest reaction to seeing these two pieces of news in fairly quick succession...."Hmm, well at 12,500 i might buy one of the fucking things, even though i'd rather light money on fire than give it to muck."....Then i saw the story about a brother and sister having to charge their rented Tesla 4 and 5 times a day when they went into cold weather, and thought "Ok...Fuck tesla, no matter how cheap they get...A car you can only drive in the summer is fucking useless to me." Not to mention all the other problems teslas have...Where's the self driving feature? They accelerate for no reason, randomly, they sold vehicles with a battery flaw that could make them catch fire, they've been trying to cover up recalls of critical parts by calling them "goodwill" repairs...And making customers sign NDAs....For fucking repairing the shit they fucked up? I wouldn't sign that shit, and i'd be all over the news about it....They claimed they got a 5.4 on NHTSA ratings...NHTSA ratings only go up to 5...They told tesla that, and to quit using their name in their lies. They just had to recall over 30K vehicles in China, because the FUCKING WHEELS ARE FALLING THE FUCK OFF...Their latest stupidity was making the video game deck work while the car was in motion...So now the NHTSA is investigating them over that little pearl of fucking idiocy...
IF they gave me $12,500...Well, i think i'd still turn it down, and spend my own money for a vehicle that isn't a 100% piece of shit, manufactured by a 100% piece of shit.

I'd be more interested in the competition's reactions in terms of pricing. EVs can be made cheap, batteries are expensive, but prices should drop like a rock if sodium batteries are used. A hundred miles range is plenty for a commuter car and plugging in at home would be attractive to many, a beats the bus option.

 

[HGCC]

Saw they fell short on Q4 deliveries.

I wonder if we will have to offer them a bailout. I think we, as in the US, should buy the charging network off them if that comes to pass and us it as a basis for part of a national grid type system. Seems like vital infrastructure. Filling it out and making it more robust would also be a good public works project providing jobs across the nation.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

I'd be more interested in the competition's reactions in terms of pricing. EVs can be made cheap, batteries are expensive, but prices should drop like a rock if sodium batteries are used. A hundred miles range is plenty for a commuter car and plugging in at home would be attractive to many, a beats the bus option.

i wouldn't buy an ev that didn't have at least a 250 mile range...a trip to Knoxville is 75 miles round trip, it's a spread out town, i may go somewhere else on the way home...100 miles just doesn't give me enough wiggle room.
it would probably work for a lot of suburbs to city commuters though, and just about anything better than walking beats the bus.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Saw they fell short on Q4 deliveries.

I wonder if we will have to offer them a bailout. I think we, as in the US, should buy the charging network off them if that comes to pass and us it as a basis for part of a national grid type system. Seems like vital infrastructure. Filling it out and making it more robust would also be a good public works project providing jobs across the nation.

it would seem like a good idea to me to make the voltages and the connectors universal, if the government is going to be subsidizing the charging stations all over the country. you don't want to see shit like this when you pull up to charge your car


they did fall short, while at the same time, making their most deliveries per quarter yet...their best production quarter is still way behind their schedule. not a confidence inspiring situation.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

i wouldn't buy an ev that didn't have at least a 250 mile range...a trip to Knoxville is 75 miles round trip, it's a spread out town, i may go somewhere else on the way home...100 miles just doesn't give me enough wiggle room.
it would probably work for a lot of suburbs to city commuters though, and just about anything better than walking beats the bus.

More of a second car option for commuters and I doubt anything will be offered that doesn't have a 200 mile range minimum for the N American market. Sodium batteries appear to be rapidly approaching the energy density of current lithium ones, work better in the cold and could have very long lifetimes, there is no shortage of sodium either.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

it would seem like a good idea to me to make the voltages and the connectors universal, if the government is going to be subsidizing the charging stations all over the country. you don't want to see shit like this when you pull up to charge your car
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they did fall short, while at the same time, making their most deliveries per quarter yet...their best production quarter is still way behind their schedule. not a confidence inspiring situation.

Yep, standardizing charging for fast and at home would help a lot, have the industry association come up with some standards like USB C for devices. The EU will or has already and a global standard would be nice too.

 

[HGCC]

it would seem like a good idea to me to make the voltages and the connectors universal, if the government is going to be subsidizing the charging stations all over the country. you don't want to see shit like this when you pull up to charge your car
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they did fall short, while at the same time, making their most deliveries per quarter yet...their best production quarter is still way behind their schedule. not a confidence inspiring situation.

It does seem like a national standard is needed, nobody wants to be stuck with the betamax of electric car chargers.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

i wouldn't buy an ev that didn't have at least a 250 mile range...a trip to Knoxville is 75 miles round trip, it's a spread out town, i may go somewhere else on the way home...100 miles just doesn't give me enough wiggle room.
it would probably work for a lot of suburbs to city commuters though, and just about anything better than walking beats the bus.

Those sold in N America probably will have more range than in the EU for instance. There will be more charging stations and fewer gas stations, mixing the two would be a bad idea. The EV fast charging stations will need some shelter from the rain since you would be dealing with hundreds of volts and amps and doing it a rain or snow storm would not be a good idea! There might be just burnt shoes with cooked meat inside them left at the charging station.

 

[Ozumoz66]

It does seem like a national standard is needed, nobody wants to be stuck with the betamax of electric car chargers.

Perhaps one step further would be a standard sized battery pack that a robot could change out - thus eliminating charge wait times and all range anxiety.