Yesterday's Mass Shooting.

DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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DoubleAtotheRON said:
So, he's saying that a wheel gun has no value? .. and yes, a wheel gun is a semi automatic. Who the hell wants to load a chamber one at a time? "Hey bad guy, sorry I missed, gimme a minute to reload". This is exactly why the old powder guns had bayonets. It gave them a fighting chance till they could reload.
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OK, let's sharpen the legal definition, that's what an eventual law would do. How about, any magazine feed automatic pistol, excluding single action revolvers, or perhaps even double action, maybe.
 
HGCC

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CCGNZ said:
As a American,I often think about how the US is perceived by other countries concerning the stunning and horrendous amount of mass shootings that occur in the states. We are a relatively young country not far removed from the wild West days,the right to bear arms has morphed into us being armed to the teeth "just in case". We have a powerful NRA lobby that effectively thwarts any legislative changes.This explains the sheer amount of guns in our country.What is doesn't explain is how the hate filled darkness that permeates the soul of these people to randomly execute multiple innocent people. We've all blamed the usual suspects,realistic video games,violence glorified in movies and television,etc.,but is has to be something more than that. People who are unhappy and don't want to live any longer use to commit suicide 25 yrs ago it seems to me. I vividly remember a mass shooting in a Post office way back and it led to the term "going postal",then two kids who were shunned as outcasts by their peers did Columbine. Since then it has become more and more common as the years have past to where we are now when this happens weekly or even more. The process that occurs in a distraught individual's mind that makes it a rational action to murder as many people as possible before putting the gun to their own head is a level of hate and darkness that I can't comprehend.
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I dont know what drives it, but our relationship with guns is uniquely broken here. People roll around in it like it's religion instead of just being a tool/hobby/etc.

The prevalence of weaponry doesn't help, but I look more at the people and culture than the guns as being an issue.
 
hillbill

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The “Kind” of guns Americans have bought in the last 20 years. The best selling rifle is a damn AR or clone, and Glocks etc. No reason a civilian needs more than a decent revolver for defense.
 
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HGCC said:
I dont know what drives it, but our relationship with guns is uniquely broken here. People roll around in it like it's religion instead of just being a tool/hobby/etc.

The prevalence of weaponry doesn't help, but I look more at the people and culture than the guns as being an issue.
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Spot on,it's the people that are the problem
 
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hillbill said:
The “Kind” of guns Americans have bought in the last 20 years. The best selling rifle is a damn AR or clone, and Glocks etc. No reason a civilian needs more than a decent revolver for defense.
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No reason for weapons of war to be in civilian hands,the tumbling effect of a AR round is absolutely gruesome inside a human body,ask any surgeon,it is ghastly in the damage that a AR round does.
 
cannabineer

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Sir Napsalot said:
It's single-action, not semi-auto

The grips are what are called "Pearloid", commonly known as "Mother-of-toilet-seat"

I also have the original black plastic grips
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Nice. By the time I cared, a good SAA was over $2k.

Trivia factette: the pearl swirl is from adding bismuth oxychloride. It’s nontoxic and was used in a lot of 80s hair products.
 
xtsho

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Mass shootings get a lot of attention but there are many innocent victims of gun violence every day that go unnoticed by most. It's really gotten out of hand here in Portland. Shootings have more than tripled in 3 years.

I hate to say this but I think people in the United States have come to accept mass shootings and gun violence as just part of life. Nobody is really shocked anymore like they were decades ago over Columbine. It's like "Oh another one? How many this time?" as if you're talking about the weather. It's a sad state of affairs.

And you read the local news and find stories like this and you just want to scream.

Crossfire from shootout paralyzes 18-year-old woman in North Portland

https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2022/11/crossfire-from-shootout-paralyzes-18-year-old-woman-in-north-portland.html


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DIY-HP-LED

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xtsho said:
Mass shootings get a lot of attention but there are many innocent victims of gun violence every day that go unnoticed by most. It's really gotten out of hand here in Portland. Shootings have more than tripled in 3 years.

I hate to say this but i think people in the United States have come to accept mass shootings and gun violence as just part of life. Nobody is really shocked anymore like they were decades ago over Columbine. It's like "Oh another one? How many this time?" as if you're talking about the weather. It's a sad state of affairs.

And you read the local news and find stories like this and you just want to scream.

Crossfire from shootout paralyzes 18-year-old woman in North Portland

https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2022/11/crossfire-from-shootout-paralyzes-18-year-old-woman-in-north-portland.html


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They get used to the bombing in Ukraine too, but it is a shitty way to live. This time it is imposed on the majority by the minority, only 1/3 of Americans own one gun, let alone an arsenal.
 
xtsho

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DoubleAtotheRON said:
Unfortunately, the bad guys will always have the good guns.
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Anyone can get the good guns. Mass shooters usually only become the bad guys after they kill a bunch of people. Prior to the mass shooting most were never in trouble with the law and were so called "Good" guys that bought their gun of choice shortly before going on a rampage.

"Police also said the gun, a 9 mm handgun, was legally purchased on the morning of the shooting and that the attacker had no criminal record."

I'm definitely not anti-gun but something needs to change.
 
DIY-HP-LED

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Every country has a lunatic minority, however in America they either get to run the place or keep it from solving its problems and moving forward. They are useful idiots for people with nefarious motives, like not wanting to pay taxes on great wealth. The imperfect democracy allows them to leverage cracks in the ancient system of government, a democratic remnant of the 18th century that needs some updating. The updating used to be done through the courts, because constitutional change was frozen since the civil war around some issues. However, the politization of the courts has made the progress of liberal democracy and social change slow in America. It is why the constitution cannot be viewed as a dead document with the ideas of 18th century men paramount, it is a pragmatic matter in a political landscape frozen in time. Abortion is a good example and women did not have rights or the franchise in the founder's time, yet Alito went back even further than the founders in search of a precident that would deny women basic human rights, much less, constitutional ones.

The same situation and mindset happen around the issue of guns, the second amendment and it's plainly written language. The arguments used to support recent progun rulings and constitutional interpretations have been ludicrous. The SCOTUS of the 1970's would have laughed them out of the fucking room!
 
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