Yeah! It's Bud Worm Season. Pics
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See green
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These are the eggs. The moths usually put only 1 or 2 on each bud mostly the tops. Ive been picking them off for the last few days. Now is prime time for budworm . Spray Bt at least once a week preferably after it rains and will be nice for a few days. You have to get them as soon as they hatch or else y0u will have a disaster. See if you can see the eggs.
There is a worm in this picture
There is a worm in this picture
See green
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The problem is you won't see them until its too late. Trust me use the BT.
It's already too late, I ain't spraying my buds lol. I'd rather cut out some bud and/or rinse than smoke some chit I've seen people spray on thier plants in late flower. I did spray bt and neem in veg as a preventative.
obijohn
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I have Spinosad but may pick up BT as well. In your middle photo there's an egg hanging off a leaf. That's what I've seen over the years, it's like they are hanging on a little thread or something
Bus Stop Rat Bag
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A lot of mine did, from a hot dose batch of Neem that I applied right away after spotting worms. It was evening and next day it was brown city. For me it makes it more difficult to watch for bud rot, but would still have done it. Last year, my first grow, they really hit my Alien hard and I did get to keep some but had to toss a distressing amount that included every single one of the bigger main buds.
The night after the neem I sprayed a hot batch of BT I don't think it browned any worse than it already was. Found a mantis the next morning busily going over the best plant and I have looked quite a bit but found nothing for a couple of days now. Fingers crossed, it's been an unusually cooperative growing season here, if I can overcome worms and rot I think they can run until I cut them based on the appearance of the trichs, rather than the appearance of worms and rot
radicaldank42
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you shouldnt be using neem oil during flower its a vegg only thing. i believe somehting about the neem during flower and you smoke it idk cant fully remmeber. but buy some sodium percarbonate. mix into water and it becomes powerful hydrogen peroxide and you use that to stop any kind of fungus. and it will also dry out any eggs as well but h2o2 is amazing for fighint fungus, and if you wanted throw in some copper in the water and let itr soak for a few days and copper will breakdown in the water adn copper is also deadly to fungus spray plants.. again i just use pyrethrins (1 each month) for bugs plus use there predators that are released within the vicinity in spring. also control burning the area also helps.
Bus Stop Rat Bag
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Yikes ! Did not know that, so I really appreciate being told. I did notice that the neem shine and garlicky smell hung on longer than in past experience. I applied that Tuesday and they got rained on night before last and getting a better rain today. I won't make that mistake again, and I sure hope I didn't ruin my bud. I know it's not realistic to think I got them under control but I haven't seen any for 2-3 days now.
I use salts for nutrient and have no problem with chemicals, just want to stay safe and healthy y'know ? I knew about copper, is there a certain pyrethrin product you recommend ? Back in the day I did a lot of auto detailing, and had a great bug remover that used an enzyme to break them down, worked great and lately I've had thoughts of researching or testing to see if that or something similar might fly.
Mainly what I've learned is that late season bug control needs to start early season. I only have 3 plants this year but if they fall on their face I'll still be ok, last year went real well in spite of the worms I knocked down some decent yield. So 3 plants this year, but way better, they're in good health I'm sure that doesn't hurt anything. Last year the ones hit hardest were a bit sickly already when the worms came for them. Next year hopefully can be the year that the things I've learned bring out the grower in me. 3rd time is the charm they say.
buckaclark
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Pyrethrin is deadly poisonous,don't use in flower .BT and citric acid mostly.GL
Bus Stop Rat Bag
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Thank you buck. I can always just toss what bud I have to if it comes to that. I'm flexible you know ? not all Natzi about things but I don't want poison for me or anyone I might share a bit of my fruits with.
buckaclark
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Well,BT is a bacteria that only targets caterpillar.Its not chemicals.It lasts a couple weeks and is gone.Trust ,it is much preferred to moldy caterpillar shit buds .I use it once when buds are starting and again after much rain or about four or five weeks in flower and then let them ride.I lost this whole plant last year before I started using BT .After BT ,my others had no damage.GL
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buckaclark
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BT does not brown pistils or otherwise affect buds in my experience.
Bus Stop Rat Bag
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Agreed, I began using BT last year, just not til I had trouble late season. And then repeated that this year, but I broke it out the day after first spotting the worms and used as a spray and soil drench both. If I had soil drenched it 2-3 times earlier in the season the plant might have taken it up into it's tissues and be more ready to withstand the little buggers. I lost a bunch to worms last year from one strain I grew, probably tossed about a half bushel, it was a lot. But I had no reason to keep the moldy caterpillar shit buds either, don't want it for myself and wouldn't give that crap bud to anybody. Strange feeling to pull a bud open and it's looking back at you lol.
gzussaves69
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Found this colorful sumbitch on my dill plant, squish!
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How much do you mix for soil
how much do you mix for soil drench
See green
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you killed a butterfly
Bus Stop Rat Bag
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I use mosquito bits currently, a fat cup in a gallon of water give or take. I put them in a cheap footie pantie hose from a dollar store and soak it all day. I sprayed the same mix also. Last year I mixed lighter than that and this year seems more effective than last. The color difference between what I was mixing last year and this year is obvious. I also set aside the used bits and later add them to water loose, after I give that water they're left lying around on top in case they have some residual goodness and just to add a little something back into the soil.
I don't know if it's anything I did, but between a hot dose of neem spray, the BT, and a wee mantis I haven't seen a worm since the day after I first spotted them, and I've bored in and looked too because they like to make themselves a webby shitty little nest right by the branch or a stem.
Bus Stop Rat Bag
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Right ? A Monarch unless I'm mistaken. My bud worms have been the inch worm kind, and a couple smaller ones I don't know but surely some moth. We have a lot of Monarchs around our place but there's a large patch of natural milkweed on nearby property that attracts them. They're numbers are declining because of lack of natural milkweed, other milkweed is bad for them.
Thats a anise swallowtail caterpillar, they will only be on that type of plant, they dont touch pot. Looks similar to a monarch but the monarch will only be found on milkweed. they can live on all kinds of milkweed but it's best to not have tropical varieties, something to do with them blooming at the wrong time.
radicaldank42
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Pyrethrin insecticides are biodegradable and will break down within a few days in direct sunlight. The insecticide does not persist in the soil or on the crop, which is why it is relatively safe to use within a vegetable garden. Remember that pyrethrin is highly toxic to most insects. fresh yes can be bad for you but any insecticide concentrate is bad for you to get on youre skin look at neem oil causes skin irritatioin and is also low in toxicitiy for humans. which is why it works. im not sayiung spray youre plants then harvest. spry when it is needed.
i use bonide pyrethrins. works wonders. and the poison breaks down after a few days and doesnt persist inthe soil for the plant to absorb nor stay on the plant permanentky. now it does kill all insects