It's over

Fogdog

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There was not a better middle of the road candidate in the race There was no way the US was going to elect a small town mayor that swung the other way, not even Harris. Both parties have to learn how to get to the middle if they want to win and move the country forward. The Democrats look like they (the big bad establishment) understand that more. Mind you the Republicans ubderstand that but think they could ride the tiger. That is a dangerous path.
It would be nice if Republicans started trying to win votes and address their issues with racism instead of working to win through voter suppression and gaming the system. It would be nice.
 

xtsho

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They don't care about politics, they just want to break stuff.
It's just ridiculous. They're destroying peoples property. Private property not the Big Bad Government. A friend of mine had his car destroyed by those thugs when it was parked on the street at the wrong place at the wrong time. It makes me sick.
 

xtsho

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Fascists still control the Portland Police. It's not just in Portland but we seem to be the only city that is willing to take them on. We can't let them stay in power or the next coup they foment might succeed.
I'm not going to disagree with you about the Portland Police but here's what I have observed. In the last 20 years the only issue I've had with the PPD was getting pulled over for speeding and in each instance they just gave me a ticket and I drove away. They didn't target me or do anything I felt was unwarranted. And the violence people are causing is targeting private property that in non way has anything to do with the PPD. So why are they attacking ordinary people and their property?

They need to go away. They're doing nothing productive and are just causing damage because they can. A bunch of losers wreaking havoc for nor discernable goal.
 

xtsho

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Some people seem to think so. That protest yesterday was a statement by Portland's antifa groups that they don't think things have changed at the local level.
Portland's Antifa is nothing more than a bunch of criminals destroying property. They're idiots.
 

Fogdog

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It's just ridiculous. They're destroying peoples property. Private property not the Big Bad Government. A friend of mine had his car destroyed by those thugs when it was parked on the street at the wrong place at the wrong time. It makes me sick.
The police commit far more violent crimes than do antifa. Like Trump, they claim innocence because they aren't charged.

We still have a problem with fascists controlling our police. Mayor Wheeler is going the wrong direction by appealing for more laws and fewer restrictions on the use of force by police.
 

Fogdog

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I'm not going to disagree with you about the Portland Police but here's what I have observed. In the last 20 years the only issue I've had with the PPD was getting pulled over for speeding and in each instance they just gave me a ticket and I drove away. They didn't target me or do anything I felt was unwarranted. And the violence people are causing is targeting private property that in non way has anything to do with the PPD. So why are they attacking ordinary people and their property?

They need to go away. They're doing nothing productive and are just causing damage because they can. A bunch of losers wreaking havoc for nor discernable goal.
Just saying you put way too much energy in complaining about the result of police brutality than you do its cause.
 

Fogdog

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Portland's Antifa is nothing more than a bunch of criminals destroying property. They're idiots.
Portland's fascist police are not idiots and they aren't interested in destroying property, they are interested in destroying democracy.
 

printer

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It's not that. Nothing really changed in our police departments yesterday. BLM and antifa still face the same problem with local police.
Sure, nothing will change in a day, things do take time. All they are doing is feeding the Republicans.
 

hanimmal

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And you are saying that the almost all white rioters that busted up the Democratic parties office there was done by ANTIFA because they are all in black?
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I still don't buy that it is not just the same mostly white domestic terrorists not wearing their favorite LARPing gear.
 

CunningCanuk

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better not let our 3 resident bernie babies hear that kinda talk!!! pada, ty and sky will spew the BS about how the DNC stole it from barnie. lol.
Bernie was a Democrat when it was convenient. Having said that, I actually like Bernie and think he has good ideas. He’s the only politician I can think of who’s been consistent with his beliefs his entire career.

Bernie’s mistake was calling himself a socialist in the USA. Essentially making himself the boogie man.

I’d vote for Bernie if I could and would take him over our current PM, any day.
 

Fogdog

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Bernie was a Democrat when it was convenient. Having said that, I actually like Bernie and think he has good ideas. He’s the only politician I can think of who’s been consistent with his beliefs his entire career.

Bernie’s mistake was calling himself a socialist in the USA. Essentially making himself the boogie man.

I’d vote for Bernie if I could and would take him over our current PM, any day.
Bernie tried to win the Democratic Party's nomination by tearing it apart.

There was another politician in the primary who had been consistent with their beliefs their entire career, but with some key difference from Bernie. She was then and still is a Democrat, and unlike Bernie she had real accomplishments to her name. I was ready to vote for her if she has still been in the race when Oregon voted. Elizabeth Warren.
 

CunningCanuk

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Bernie tried to win the Democratic Party's nomination by tearing it apart.

There was another politician in the primary who had been consistent with their beliefs their entire career, but with some key difference from Bernie. She was then and still is a Democrat, and unlike Bernie she had real accomplishments to her name. I was ready to vote for her if she has still been in the race when Oregon voted. Elizabeth Warren.
I don’t know that much about her career but from what I’ve seen, I’d vote for Elizabeth Warren too.
 

farmingfisherman

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Good. This way if they are charged and they try to slip away they can be grabbed easily.
Trump Extended Secret Service Protection to Family
Former President Donald Trump had directed the Secret Service to continue to protect his four adult children and two of their spouses as he left office.

According to The Washington Post, Trump wanted every family member who had been protected during his term in office to be covered for six more months. Under his directive, security will continue for daughter, Ivanka and her husband, Jared Kushner; son Donald Jr.; son Eric Trump and his wife, Lara; and daughter Tiffany. Protection will also continue for Trump’s grandchildren.

Trump also continued Secret Service protection for six additional months to former Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, former chief of staff Mark Meadows, and former National Security Adviser Robert O’Brien. A president is able to order Secret Service protection for any person he chooses. But the Post noted it is unusual for a departing president to provide security for relatives past their college years.

Federal law mandates Trump, his wife, Melania, and their 14-year-old son, Barron, are entitled to protection. Trump and the former first lady will receive Secret Service protection for the rest of their lives. Barron will receive it until he turns 16.

The law also calls for former Vice President Mike Pence and his wife, Karen, to receive the security for the next six months. A spokesman for Trump and a representative for the Secret Service declined to comment, the Post said. The Secret Service had been instructed to remain professional and nonpartisan in advance of Wednesday’s inauguration. "When carrying out our duties and representing the agency, we are expected to behave in a nonpartisan manner," Secret Service Director James Murray said in an agency-wide memo.
Fuck I hope Biden can reverse this shit. We shouldn't have to pay for his extended family to be protected!
 

Fogdog

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I don’t know that much about her career but from what I’ve seen, I’d vote for Elizabeth Warren too.
No silver spoon in her mouth as a baby. She ended up with a JD in law from Rutgers in 1970. Practiced law for a time and taught at various universities before becoming full professor at U Penn Law School teaching business law. Her specialty is bankruptcy and consumer protection law. She worked as an advisor to Mike Synar's National Bankruptcy Review Commission in 1995, held a position in FDIC and worked on the Congressional TARP oversight committee. She became a Senator in 2013 and said her main motivation was because she felt she could do more from that post to protect consumers and reduce the power of banks.

Bernie dropped out of college, kicked around as a writer, eventually got a job as Mayor of Burlington and then went to Washington.

My main criteria for President is almost exactly the same as when I'm interviewing people to work in my lab. Strong record of accomplishment, works well with others, demonstrates the ability to accomplish difficult and complex tasks, motivated to learn as much as they can on subjects they are working on.
 
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