Trump's War on Factual News Journalism.

schuylaar

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Amazon Prime has a nifty little series on the Black Plague. Twenty four lectures. Good stuff.

Watching it made me start to think that Trump has not really done anything to society except exploit our natural tendencies that had been repressed for a while.

If you go back to plague times, a small number of learned people understood that the plague was an illness being transmitted through some means that they did not fully understand - not really having a grasp on the nature of bacteria and viruses. Nevertheless, they sought to learn it from and divine whatever information they could about its means of transmission and develop reasonable and practical countermeasures.

The common folk in the villages and countryside were not similarly encumbered. In their ignorance, they quickly developed reasons for it and countermeasures of their own. Perhaps it was caused by witches. Maybe god sent it to them because they did not do the right things. Or was it caused by foul odors. All of these ideas had more currency than what in intellectuals had to say about invisible organisms like bacteria. Fucking magnets, how do they work? Burning the witches seemed much more logical than washing your hands and keeping rodents at bay.

In this same way, the information coming from people of knowledge about the pandemic carry less weight than a meme, which is easy to understand and doesn't make the common folks' brains hurt or make them feel intellectually inadequate.

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People have always been like this - stupid, superstitious and easily misled.

But for a while, at least in free societies, this sort of idiocy was held in check allowing us to concentrate on our personal hatred of "the other" through things like lynching and genocide. Electronic mass media temporarily disrupted society's normal dumbness in that it was developed and curated by intelligent people. Radio and television news were not controlled by the masses and held such sway that the usual rumors and gossip had little chance of spreading like an informational virus.

The internet changed all that and the old order was restored. Now anybody can appear to know what they were talking about. Why read a paper when a simple meme on Facebook tells you all you need to know? The common folk, unable to comprehend the difference between fact and opinion were unprepared for it and it is now sweeping through society like it did during the black plague era and Salem witch hunt. We just haven't developed herd immunity to it. We lost the race to educate our population before the dark ages returned.

That's the thing about Trump - whether he was intelligent enough to perceive the problem (my guess is that he certainly wasn't), was led in that direction by those who have made misinformation and manipulation an art form through restriction and control of the media (that would be my guess), or just happened to be in the right place at the right time with a message dumb and dark enough to gain traction with the under-educated, doesn't really matter. All we can do now is hope for a new age of enlightenment.
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hanimmal

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I believe that the mainstream media has absolutely zero integrity cnn and MSNBC and you over here spewing shit like its gospel. You think your woke and enlightened bc you voted against trump, but your just as deranged as maga supporters talking about the election is rigged bc they saw it on FOX. Every election is rigged that is the purpose of the Electoral college my friend do some actual research and stop watching cnn like every thing you see if facts
You ever stop to think that you are likely just talking to a internet troll?

I call bullshit on CNN and MSNBC having 'zero integrity'. I think you are likely (if you are a real person and not another in the endless line of trolls) getting radicalized away from the reality of what factual news media actually is by banging your head against a wall trying to decipher anything at all from a conversation with a troll.

Best of luck.
 

Dapper_Dillinger

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You ever stop to think that you are likely just talking to a internet troll?

I call bullshit on CNN and MSNBC having 'zero integrity'. I think you are likely (if you are a real person and not another in the endless line of trolls) getting radicalized away from the reality of what factual news media actually is by banging your head against a wall trying to decipher anything at all from a conversation with a troll.

Best of luck.
This is the thing they are opinion news channel that is the event "in theyre opinion " so they can get away with saying pretty much anything they believe true and legally they are covered . I am a real person and not a troll. Unlike others i see on here most likely one of Bidens minions sent to cannabis forums to make a list who they need to silence
 

hanimmal

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link to Washington Post story
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A federal judge issued a series of preliminary injunctions against a Trump appointee who has enacted sweeping and controversial changes at Voice of America and other government-funded news networks, effectively stopping the appointee’s efforts to reshape the international broadcasters.

The ruling late Friday by Judge Beryl A. Howell in district court in Washington was a setback for Michael Pack, who in June took over Voice of America’s parent agency, the U.S. Agency for Global Media (USAGM), and immediately set about firing senior leaders and disbanding oversight boards.

Pack had asserted the right to direct how journalists at VOA and sister networks such as Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty and Radio Free Asia covered the news, a violation of the traditional “firewall” that ensures the networks aren’t government mouthpieces. Pack’s declaration was viewed by journalists at the networks as both alarming and ironic, given that their broadcasts — which are intended to counter foreign government’s official censorship and propaganda — would themselves be subjected to potential censorship by a political appointee of the U.S. government.

Pack’s actions and statements — including evidence-free suggestions that VOA was a nest of foreign spies — raised concerns that Pack was seeking to create news favorable to President Trump, his political patron.

Howell’s ruling was in response to a lawsuit filed last month by five senior executives at USAGM whom Pack had fired or suspended in August in what was seen as a purge of those opposed to Pack’s plans. The former employees sought to stop Pack from interfering in the editorial affairs of the broadcasters his agency oversees.

In a ruling issued late Friday, Howell imposed a series of preliminary injunctions that effectively bar Pack from direct involvement in the networks’ editorial operations.

The ruling prevents Pack from making personnel decisions involving journalists at the networks; from directly communicating with editors and journalists employed by them; and from investigating any editors or news stories produced by them.

The judge also said an investigation ordered by Pack early last month of VOA’s chief White House reporter, Steve Herman, “imposes an unconstitutional prior restraint not just on Herman’s speech, but on the speech of [Herman’s editors] and journalists at VOA.”

Pack ordered the investigation of Herman because of unspecified concerns about bias in Herman’s coverage of Trump. But no finding or disciplinary measures resulted from it.

Lee R. Crain, one of the attorneys who represented the plaintiffs, said Howell’s ruling ensures that journalists at the agencies can “rest assured that the First Amendment protects them from government efforts to control” their reporting. “They are free to do exactly what Congress intended: export independent, First Amendment-style journalism to the world.”

USAGM’s representatives didn’t respond to a request for comment.

The order won’t restore the jobs of the employees fired by Pack, including Grant Turner, the name plaintiff (Turner had been USAGM’s chief financial officer when Pack fired him and the other senior employees). The former employees’ work status is the subject of a separate administrative process.

It’s unclear if USAGM will appeal Howell’s ruling given its timing and the likelihood that President-elect Biden is likely to replace Pack upon assuming the White House on Jan. 20. Biden’s aides have said he intends to fire Pack.
Judges letter:
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Engagement through enragement, when people are angry, their perceptions are filtered and empathy cut off.
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Social media has made us—including Trump—addicted to hate w/ Kara Swisher | WILMORE

If you haven’t unfriended all of your old high school classmates, you’ve probably heard that COVID won’t kill you, vaccines will, and Joe Biden is the senile socialist who los the election. Oh, and Obama’s still coming to take your guns, he’s just distracting us with that book. Here to talk more about America’s disinformation epidemic is author, host of Sway, and contributing New York Times Opinion writer, Kara Swisher!
 

hanimmal

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/media/trump-disinformation-journalism-next-steps/2020/11/20/6a634378-2ac8-11eb-92b7-6ef17b3fe3b4_story.html
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President Trump didn’t create the media cesspool that he’ll bequeath to a troubled nation. He just made it exponentially worse — not only with his own constant lies but with his ability to spread the ugliness.

Just days ago, he tweeted out a debunked conspiracy theory that a company that makes voting machines had deleted millions of Trump votes. And though he — barring true disaster — will leave office in January, the widespread disinformation system that he fostered will live on.

Social media platforms, streaming “news” channels and innumerable websites will spew lies and conspiracy theories, and will keep weakening the foundation of reality that America’s democracy needs in order to function.

So what, if anything, can the reality-based press do to counter it?

I see three necessities.

First, be bolder and more direct than ever in telling it like it is. No more pussy-foooting or punch-pulling. No more of what’s been called “false equivalence” — giving equal weight to truth and lies in the name of fairness.

I’ve been encouraged to see more of this unabashed approach lately. “Trump wages full assault to overturn election,” read the print-edition banner headline in Friday’s Washington Post. The first paragraph described his “orchestrating a far-reaching pressure campaign . . . to overturn the will of voters.”

And David Sanger of the New York Times began his analysis: “President Trump’s attempts to overturn the 2020 election are unprecedented in American history, an even more audacious use of brute political force to gain the White House than when Congress gave Rutherford B. Hayes the presidency during Reconstruction.”

Earlier last week, “CBS Evening News” anchor Norah O’Donnell and correspondent Paula Reid described the state of the nation in stark terms.

Reid’s first words: “Even as top health experts warned the pandemic is spiraling out of control, President Trump made no mention of it today, had no public appearances and tweeted only falsehoods about the election.” One of the first visuals: A hospital room with health-care workers scrambling to treat covid patients.

“I don’t think I’ve ever seen an opening three minutes of a network evening news broadcast quite like this,” said University of Maine media historian Michael Socolow.

Socolow called it “brilliant showing not telling,” and told me that it was more likely to get through to those in denial because it used everyday Americans — Michigan voters, nurses, etc. — instead of politicians to deliver the message.

Can these mainstream outlets, influential as they are, really go up against the counter-messaging on places like Fox News, or Steve Bannon’s podcast or fact-averse outlets like Newsmax, with its surging, though still relatively small, viewership? On the latter, Trump campaign attorney Sidney Powell was given an unchecked platform to declare: “The election could not have been more rigged than it was.” In what should be astonishing, but isn’t, the Republican National Committee used its official Twitter account Thursday to promote this same lie of hers: “President Trump won by a landslide.”

This battle can’t be fought with facts alone, argues journalism scholar Nikki Usher of the University of Illinois.

The only hope, she wrote, is for mainstream journalism to appeal to passion as well as reason — “providing moral clarity along with truthful content.” Or, as NYU’s Jay Rosen recently wrote, journalism must reposition itself in the media ecosystem, to seize this moment in history to take a clear stance, in everything it does, as “pro-truth, pro-voting, anti-racist, and aggressively pro-democracy.”

In other words, the reality-based press has to unapologetically stand for something. Otherwise, it’s just a pallid alternative to the excitement of burgeoning lies.

And third, journalists and news organizations have to get much more involved in media literacy — working with educators and advocates to teach people of all ages, but especially students, to distinguish lies from truth, propaganda from factual reporting.

This can be an uncomfortable role for journalists because it smacks of advocacy, something that mainstream journalists are taught to be wary of. Still, some organizations and journalists are working on it.

Last week, I was a guest on a call-in radio program on Wisconsin Public Radio, talking about media coverage of the election’s aftermath. Two of the three callers I fielded, though polite, were misinformed. Both were convinced that it’s too early for President-elect Biden to claim victory since the votes haven’t really been counted.

This is untrue. With a few minor exceptions in places that can’t possibly make a difference, the tallies are complete. There is no question that Biden is the unequivocal winner, both in the popular vote and the electoral college.

But I can’t imagine that my responses changed their minds. They sounded dug in. And, remember, these were public-radio listeners, presumably not Alex Jones fans.

Can journalists, mired in our “how we’ve always done it” mind-set, really change their stripes to fight the war on disinformation? Can we be more clear and direct, embrace a moral purpose, help to educate news consumers? And even if we do, will it make a significant difference?

I have serious doubts about the answers to those questions. But I do know that we have to try.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Serious people are coming to the same conclusions simultaneously after looking into the research and comparing it to current reality. The people who will deal with it are keenly aware or they wouldn't be appointed, domestic disinformation and propaganda leveraging racism and social division is the main issue. It radicalized your friends and families with alternative reality bubbles, of not just information, but of social support and confirmation too. It is easier to leverage their existing conditioned biases against them, that deep feeling of how the world should be and your place in it. That's why some are chasing the bubbles as reality busts the more mainstream ones, they descend into cognitive dissidence and denial. Some are just defending their egos, some truly believe, some are confused, most are disappointed.

Look at the republican suicidal insanity in Georgia now, it got away from the republicans too and they might lose the seats.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Right-wing Viewers Upset With Trump's Loss Move From Fox To Further Right Media | Meet The Press

John Podhoretz, Editor, Commentary Magazine; Columnist, New York Post; NBC News Contributor, says that conservatives have to resist going too far down the path to "crazy town."
 

waktoo

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Right-wing Viewers Upset With Trump's Loss Move From Fox To Further Right Media | Meet The Press

John Podhoretz, Editor, Commentary Magazine; Columnist, New York Post; NBC News Contributor, says that conservatives have to resist going too far down the path to "crazy town."
Another shining example demonstrating the inability of the conservative mind to deal with the mental discomfort brought on by cognitive dissonance...
 

hanimmal

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/12/08/newsmax-one-america-news-gain-prominence-they-push-trumps-baseless-theories/Screen Shot 2020-12-08 at 7.23.59 AM.png

Since his reelection loss, President Trump has launched a campaign against Fox News and encouraged his allies to tune into more extreme conservative news outlets such as Newsmax and One America News. Trump still harbors a grudge after Fox News called states and the presidency for Joe Biden, and he has expressed admiration for Newsmax and OAN’s more credulous coverage of his baseless voter-fraud allegations.

A new survey suggests it’s having an impact.

The survey from Gallup and the Knight Foundation shows an increase in the number of Americans who name Newsmax and OAN as being among two to three news sources they rely most upon.

Many more still reference Fox News, but Newsmax in particular has risen significantly in the consciousness of American news consumers. In the same survey in July 2019, precisely zero (not just zero percent) of the respondents cited Newsmax; in the latest survey, conducted shortly after the 2020 election, 7 percent named Newsmax. That’s greater than the Associated Press (5 percent) and nearly on par with The Washington Post (8 percent) and CBS News (8 percent).

Combined, Newsmax and OAN gained 11 total mentions per 100 people — up from just one combined in that July 2019 survey. Fox was mentioned by 27 out of 100 people, which is its second-lowest rate in 11 surveys, although not significantly different from previous ones.

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Other conservative outlets, including the Daily Wire, Breitbart, Rush Limbaugh’s show and the Blaze were also mentioned as much or more than in previous surveys. If you combine them with Newsmax and OAN, they’ve risen from six mentions per 100 people in July 2019 and early 2020 to 19 in 100 people today.

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Despite no significant drop in reliance on Fox, the survey did show that many people who watch it say they are not fully committed. It asked people what they would do if their news source “decided to change its reporting and commentary to try to convince people it does not favor one party over the other.” Four in 10 (41 percent) said they would continue to rely upon Fox “most often” — less than the 50 percent for all outlets — while 21 percent would no longer use it, which is higher than the 16 percent across all outlets. Another 38 percent said they would rely upon it less.

The biggest decline is in people’s reliance upon local news. The data shows a particular decrease when it comes to local TV, but also a drop in the number of people citing local newspapers, which continue to struggle to survive.

As with the increasing reliance on conservative outlets such as Newsmax and OAN, this has been particularly pronounced over the past two months, in the surveys bookending the election.

The data below on local TV news combines the people citing local TV programs more broadly and those specifically citing local ABC, CBS, Fox and NBC affiliates.

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It all suggests the election is spurring significant decisions among viewers when it comes to which outlets they rely upon — at least for now. This has accrued in particular to the benefit of Newsmax, which is also borne out in its ratings. (OAN doesn’t subscribe to industry-standard Nielsen ratings, and these numbers don’t show a particularly large shift in its favor.)

It also suggests many Trump supporters are in the market for unquestioning coverage of his voter-fraud claims. In a recent interview with the New Yorker’s Isaac Chotiner, Newsmax chief executive and Trump ally Christopher Ruddy made clear he sees broadcasting baseless claims as being good for business.

“Well, I think before we even make the [voter-fraud] claim, we should say: ‘Hey, look at this anomaly. Why is this the case?’ And we start asking about it,” Ruddy said. “But you know what? At the end of the day, it’s great for news. The news cycle is red-hot …”

Ruddy added: “I would never do something that I thought was wrong or untrue. I didn’t create the news cycle … Donald Trump did. He created this whole thing. He could have accepted the results, but I’m saying, ‘Look at the amazing stuff that’s done for the news business.’ ”

One business, in particular.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/12/08/newsmax-one-america-news-gain-prominence-they-push-trumps-baseless-theories/View attachment 4762931

Since his reelection loss, President Trump has launched a campaign against Fox News and encouraged his allies to tune into more extreme conservative news outlets such as Newsmax and One America News. Trump still harbors a grudge after Fox News called states and the presidency for Joe Biden, and he has expressed admiration for Newsmax and OAN’s more credulous coverage of his baseless voter-fraud allegations.

A new survey suggests it’s having an impact.

The survey from Gallup and the Knight Foundation shows an increase in the number of Americans who name Newsmax and OAN as being among two to three news sources they rely most upon.

Many more still reference Fox News, but Newsmax in particular has risen significantly in the consciousness of American news consumers. In the same survey in July 2019, precisely zero (not just zero percent) of the respondents cited Newsmax; in the latest survey, conducted shortly after the 2020 election, 7 percent named Newsmax. That’s greater than the Associated Press (5 percent) and nearly on par with The Washington Post (8 percent) and CBS News (8 percent).

Combined, Newsmax and OAN gained 11 total mentions per 100 people — up from just one combined in that July 2019 survey. Fox was mentioned by 27 out of 100 people, which is its second-lowest rate in 11 surveys, although not significantly different from previous ones.

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Other conservative outlets, including the Daily Wire, Breitbart, Rush Limbaugh’s show and the Blaze were also mentioned as much or more than in previous surveys. If you combine them with Newsmax and OAN, they’ve risen from six mentions per 100 people in July 2019 and early 2020 to 19 in 100 people today.

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Despite no significant drop in reliance on Fox, the survey did show that many people who watch it say they are not fully committed. It asked people what they would do if their news source “decided to change its reporting and commentary to try to convince people it does not favor one party over the other.” Four in 10 (41 percent) said they would continue to rely upon Fox “most often” — less than the 50 percent for all outlets — while 21 percent would no longer use it, which is higher than the 16 percent across all outlets. Another 38 percent said they would rely upon it less.

The biggest decline is in people’s reliance upon local news. The data shows a particular decrease when it comes to local TV, but also a drop in the number of people citing local newspapers, which continue to struggle to survive.

As with the increasing reliance on conservative outlets such as Newsmax and OAN, this has been particularly pronounced over the past two months, in the surveys bookending the election.

The data below on local TV news combines the people citing local TV programs more broadly and those specifically citing local ABC, CBS, Fox and NBC affiliates.

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It all suggests the election is spurring significant decisions among viewers when it comes to which outlets they rely upon — at least for now. This has accrued in particular to the benefit of Newsmax, which is also borne out in its ratings. (OAN doesn’t subscribe to industry-standard Nielsen ratings, and these numbers don’t show a particularly large shift in its favor.)

It also suggests many Trump supporters are in the market for unquestioning coverage of his voter-fraud claims. In a recent interview with the New Yorker’s Isaac Chotiner, Newsmax chief executive and Trump ally Christopher Ruddy made clear he sees broadcasting baseless claims as being good for business.

“Well, I think before we even make the [voter-fraud] claim, we should say: ‘Hey, look at this anomaly. Why is this the case?’ And we start asking about it,” Ruddy said. “But you know what? At the end of the day, it’s great for news. The news cycle is red-hot …”

Ruddy added: “I would never do something that I thought was wrong or untrue. I didn’t create the news cycle … Donald Trump did. He created this whole thing. He could have accepted the results, but I’m saying, ‘Look at the amazing stuff that’s done for the news business.’ ”

One business, in particular.
From CBC News Canada
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Trump turns supporters away from Fox News after election loss

U.S. President Donald Trump and his supporters have long relied on Fox News to bolster their message. But since the network’s news programs announced Trump’s election loss, the president has been speaking against it and is instead promoting smaller conservative media outlets One America News Network and Newsmax.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Looks like Trump is doing the dirty work, look for simply astounding bribes (campaign contributions) for everybody in congress Zuck could own every one of them millions of times over. Why he doesn't just give Trump a billion to kill it? Zuck figures he's be better off bribing the next administration and congress, he can easily buy them all, though a few are not for sale. Compared to him the rest of you are nothing and will end up being treated like nothing.

Hard to believe that Trump wouldn't offer protection for a price, "Nice little business ya got here Zuck, it would be a shame if something was happened to it..."

A last-minute push to include another round of $1,200 payments to Americans failed. Here's what's being considered instead.

 

Fogdog

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Looks like Trump is doing the dirty work, look for simply astounding bribes (campaign contributions) for everybody in congress Zuck could own every one of them millions of times over. Why he doesn't just give Trump a billion to kill it? Zuck figures he's be better off bribing the next administration and congress, he can easily buy them all, though a few are not for sale. Compared to him the rest of you are nothing and will end up being treated like nothing.

Hard to believe that Trump wouldn't offer protection for a price, "Nice little business ya got here Zuck, it would be a shame if something was happened to it..."

A last-minute push to include another round of $1,200 payments to Americans failed. Here's what's being considered instead.

Hard to believe that Trump wouldn't offer protection for a price, "Nice little business ya got here Zuck, it would be a shame if something was happened to it..."

No doubt Trump's campaign took note of the paltry donations from FB and this is his payback.

I'm OK with FB being the center of an antitrust lawsuit. Rack him. If it will end their predatory practices, whatever it takes.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Save your country, register as a republican, nominate candidates and vote in their primaries. Organize as get as many patriots as you can to join the republican party, to take it over in regions of the country at least, or divide and destroy it. Nominate moderate republicans or outright liberals if you can, make it come true, "there is no difference between the parties". Fight dirty and fight to their death or yours, in other words make an effort to undermine them from inside their own camp. They drove the RINOs out and you can drive some of the MAGATS out in disgust, with policy platforms to draw out the racists and cause them to leave. If you burn down their house they will leave it, a small percentage of fanatics control the party and vote in primaries, that makes it doable in many places. Vote republican in the primaries and democrat in the election, turn the system that sustains them on it's head, sow division, discord and confusion among their ranks.

If someone like Stacey Abrams can organize millions to vote in the general election, they can mobilize a fraction of that to take over the republican nomination in many places. If hundreds of thousands of black people suddenly register as republicans and they had their own slick conman (always white as snow) can run in them, or they can scare the shit out of the republican candidates. As the Trumpers dwindle over time as Donald fades away, take them over where you can, don't worry about the democrats for a spell, focus on becoming a bad republican.

Where can you fight most effectively and get in the faces of racist assholes? At republican party meetings is where, right in the middle of the fucks! Most won't say a word or even attend meetings, they will just register and vote for a candidate who will betray the republicans, then go vote democratic. Use the system against them, the only thing you can't do in most states is pick the democratic candidate, you can still vote for them though and nominate the republican of your choice. This is one way to fight and even take over the republican party in some states or at least fuck the traitors over. Don't worry about them doing the same thing, they are too stupid and emotion driven to think of it and their impact would be minimal if they did.

Use the registration and primary system to fuck them over, they've be fighting dirty, lying and cheating for decades. This is one way to fight enemies of the constitution, show them what fighting dirty looks like.
 
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Fogdog

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Save your country, register as a republican, nominate candidates and vote in their primaries. Organize as get as many patriots as you can to join the republican party, to take it over in regions of the country at least, or divide and destroy it. Nominate moderate republicans or outright liberals if you can, make it come true, "there is no difference between the parties". Fight dirty and fight to their death or yours, in other words make an effort to undermine them from inside their own camp. They drove the RINOs out and you can drive some of the MAGATS out in disgust, with policy platforms to draw out the racists and cause them to leave. If you burn down their house they will leave it, a small percentage of fanatics control the party and vote in primaries, that makes it doable in many places. Vote republican in the primaries and democrat in the election, turn the system that sustains them on it's head, sow division, discord and confusion among their ranks.

If someone like Stacey Abrams can organize millions to vote in the general election, they can mobilize a fraction of that to take over the republican nomination in many places. If hundreds of thousands of black people suddenly register as republicans and they had their own slick conman (always white as snow) can run in them, or they can scare the shit out of the republican candidates. As the Trumpers dwindle over time as Donald fades away, take them over where you can, don't worry about the democrats for a spell, focus on becoming a bad republican.

Where can you fight most effectively and get in the faces of racist assholes? At republican party meetings is where, right in the middle of the fucks! Most won't say a word or even attend meetings, they will just register and vote for a candidate who will betray the republicans, then go vote democratic. Use the system against them, the only thing you can't do in most states is pick the democratic candidate, you can still vote for them though and nominate the republican of your choice. This is one way to fight and even take over the republican party in some states or at least fuck the traitors over. Don't worry about them doing the same thing, they are to stupid and emotion driven to think of it and their impact would be minimal if they did.

Use the registration and primary system to fuck them over, they've be fighting dirty, lying and cheating for decades. This is one way tp fight enemies of the constitution, show them what fighting dirty looks like.
Come on down here, give up your Canadian citizenship, become a US citizen and then you may vote for whatever kind of Republican you like.

What was your emotional response to my suggestion that you give up your Canadian citizenship and become a US citizen? That's probably the same response I had to your suggestion that I vote for a Republican.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Come on down here, give up your Canadian citizenship, become a US citizen and then you may vote for whatever kind of Republican you like.

What was your emotional response to my suggestion that you give up your Canadian citizenship and become a US citizen? That's probably the same response I had to your suggestion that I vote for a Republican.
I didn't say to vote for a republican, I said to nominate one, vote democratic

You are just registering in most states, you don't even need to join, it might foster more open primaries where less radical candidates are thrown up. Do republicans fear the base and Trump as much in states with open primaries?

I'm just tossing out ideas that I figure plenty of Americans are mulling over right now. How do you win this social war and make sure your country is secure form those who would destroy the constitution? This not a personal fight, though emotion motivates us all at a basic level, this is a fight for the constitution against those who have demonstrated they want to destroy it.

I ain't suggesting you wear the mark of Trump on your forehead, just that you be a clever bastard. :lol:

Hey the brits planned D day ya know!
 
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