First time set up.

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Dr-JG

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Hello everyone,

After a very amateur first try years ago, the whole isolation ting has inspired me to be self suficient.

I am hoping to achieve 2 - 5 oz when harvesting.

Set up:

Seed: Northern light auto fem

50x50x100 tent.
Phlizon 600W LED Plant Grow Light, (Actual Power 100watt). ( Has some good reviews on amazon)
Ram 100/200 4-inch 170m³/ hr Carbon Filter (Have seen mixed reviews, but for size of grow I believe will work fine)
calimaero Inline 100mm 4-inch - Silent Exhaust Ventilation Duct Fan Extractor 100 m³/h, 32 dB, 15 W

Still to decide:
Soil, pots, size and quantity.

I am hoping that I will be able to attach the little exhaust fan directly to the filter inside the tent, but I realise I am super constricted with space, though both being 4 inches puts my mind at ease (should it?).

Do you think I will have enough space to achieve what I am looking for? At the moment my setup are at various stages of arriving so will update with some photos as soon as I can.

Peace!
 
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Dr-JG

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coreywebster said:
I looked up your fan, you will have to try it and see, theres a good chance it wont overcome the resistance of the filter.
I bought one almost identical to vent my drying cab and it couldn't even push air through 1m of duct without a filter.
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Gotcha, thanks for that.

I was hoping it would work as it is small tent, but yeah, might invest in something a little more powerful to start with. I am just worried about space.

The idea was to attach the fan directly to the filter and out.
 
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Renfro said:
Thats the idea, just going to need a little more fan. Run the one you think of getting by us first.
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Sure thing!

I found this on ebay, thinking it would probably solve my issue. Price is okay including the filter, which from what I've seen is a better brand also.

www.ebay.co.uk

Rhino Hobby Carbon Filter Kit Odour Extraction Fan Aluminium Ducting Hydroponics | eBay

The Rhino Hobby Eco Kit includes Rhino Hobby carbon filter, extraction fan, 5 meters of aluminium foil ducting and 3 jubilee clips.
www.ebay.co.uk

I've seen cheaper options, what do you guys think about the fan that comes with that one? its described as 4 Inch 100mm EcoDuct Fan - 105m3/h.

Thanks all
 
DCcan

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Dr-JG said:
I found this on ebay, thinking it would probably solve my issue. Price is okay including the filter, which from what I've seen is a better brand also.
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Thats more of the same, an inline fan that won't suck thru a filter...you need a centrifugal blower fan, or an inline fan specifically designed to produce hi pressure (turbine blades/bigger motor/ better air flow), which those are not. Those are simply for blowing air down unobstructed ducts, not thru filters.

Secondly, get a filter sized for twice the air you plan on filtering...don't match cubic meters for filtering smells.
Run the fan at 50% or get a larger filter.
The biggest ducting and filter you could shoehorn in there will be the quietest. Huge difference in sound and scrubbing.

These are centrifugal blowers, look at the blades, they compress the air to develop air pressure you need to overcome the resistance of the filter.
Or just get a RVK fan with a controller and be good for whatever comes next.
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DCcan said:
Thats more of the same, an inline fan that won't suck thru a filter...you need a centrifugal blower fan, or an inline fan specifically designed to produce hi pressure (turbine blades/bigger motor/ better air flow), which those are not. Those are simply for blowing air down unobstructed ducts, not thru filters.

Secondly, get a filter sized for twice the air you plan on filtering...don't match cubic meters for filtering smells.
Run the fan at 50% or get a larger filter.
The biggest ducting and filter you could shoehorn in there will be the quietest. Huge difference in sound and scrubbing.

These are centrifugal blowers, look at the blades, they compress the air to develop air pressure you need to overcome the resistance of the filter.
Or just get a RVK fan with a controller and be good for whatever comes next.
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Thanks dude, I feel you are right.

I have had another look and came across this: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Manrose-MF100S/dp/B005J3334I, from reviews and specs its bound to be up to the task.

Do you think it will be enough room to set this up inside my 50x50x100?
 
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Dr-JG

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Hey guys,

Quick update here.

Set-up is all purchased. Tent has arrived and I have started setting it up. Will go for something very much like what this dude has done.


Ive purchased all the equipment now and here is what I ended up with:

Tent - Senua 50x50x100
Pots 25cm pastic x 3
Soil: BioBizz Light mix - (I will be adding 30% perlite to this)
Fan: Manrose MF100S
Lights - Phlizon 900W LED
Filter - Ram 100/200 4 inch

So the plan as it stands is it to build the tent up as and when things arrive. When done I will plant my autoflower straight into the final pots and hopefully it all come together nicely.

Next step is to look at Nuts but from what I've seen I can wait a little for this.
 
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Dr-JG said:
When done I will plant my autoflower straight into the final pots
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If you're a new grower, I would highly recommend against this. Far, far too easy to over water, and that can cause severe and long-lasting issues.

You're best to start off in solo cups or half gallon pots. Fill an extra pot with dry medium. When you go to water, compare a plant pot with the dry pot. If they are relatively the same weight, water. You'll get the hang of it quickly.

After three weeks or so, transplant into your final pots.
 
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spek9 said:
If you're a new grower, I would highly recommend against this. Far, far too easy to over water, and that can cause severe and long-lasting issues.

You're best to start off in solo cups or half gallon pots. Fill an extra pot with dry medium. When you go to water, compare a plant pot with the dry pot. If they are relatively the same weight, water. You'll get the hang of it quickly.

After three weeks or so, transplant into your final pots.
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Hey Spek9, thanks for that dude. I have purchased a soil meter, do you think I am still likely to over water?
 
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Dr-JG said:
Hey Spek9, thanks for that dude. I have purchased a soil meter, do you think I am still likely to over water?
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When starting in a huge pot, a soil meter won't be much good. The plant barely drinks everything, and evaporation doesn't occur quickly in such a big pot. When started in big pots, you need to water only a small area of the dirt at first. This takes much practice, as too much water will cause problems, but if you don't give enough water, that comes with its own issues.

In a huge starter pot, it's actually better to be slightly under watered than over. You can always add a bit more water to fix an under situation, but too much water will linger in the pot for ages and can drown out the plant from being able to uptake anything. You can't take water back out.
 
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spek9 said:
When starting in a huge pot, a soil meter won't be much good. The plant barely drinks everything, and evaporation doesn't occur quickly in such a big pot. When started in big pots, you need to water only a small area of the dirt at first. This takes much practice, as too much water will cause problems, but if you don't give enough water, that comes with its own issues.

In a huge starter pot, it's actually better to be slightly under watered than over. You can always add a bit more water to fix an under situation, but too much water will linger in the pot for ages and can drown out the plant from being able to uptake anything. You can't take water back out.
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Perfect, I will follow your advice.

My set up is fully ready, just waiting for the seeds to arrive (Hopefully tomorrow) had a little issue with the post this week which set me back a couple of days, ended up having to re-order etc...

I've got with me Bio-Boom, Bio-grow and Top max. I've heard a lot of people also using cal a mic and heaven. But I am trying to keep it simple so have gone for just the first 3. In terms of feeding schedule i've found this online which I am thinking about using.

Please could you have a loot ai it for me?

(Again, this is not my own, its a schedule I found online)

My soil is biobizz lightmix with around 30% perlite - seeds Northern lights auto.

One question I have is this: In terms of watering I am hoping to get the feel for it, with weight of pot etc.

When it says 1st and second feeding does that mean beginning of the week and then in middle or it does not matter? Also, when it says feeding, I am just watering the plant with the nutes, right?

WEEK 1

1st Feeding – Plain PH’d water
2nd Feeding – Plain Ph’d water

WEEK 2:

1st Feeding – ½ ml BIO-GROW
2nd Feeding - ¾ ml BIO-GROW

WEEK 3:

1st Feeding – 1ml BIO-GROW – ½ ml BIO-BLOOM
2nd Feeding – 1 ½ ml BIO-GROW – ¾ ml BIO-BLOOM -

WEEK 4:

1st Feeding – 1 ½ ml BIO-GROW - 1ml BIO-BLOOM – ¼ ml TOP-MAX
2nd Feeding – 1 ½ ml BIO-GROW – 1 ½ ml BIO-BLOOM – ½ ml TOP-MAX

WEEK 5:

1st Feeding – 1 ½ ml BIO-GROW – 1 ¾ ml BIO-BLOOM – ¾ ml TOP-MAX
2nd Feeding – 1 ½ ml BIO-GROW – 2 ml BIO-BLOOM – 1ml TOP-MAX

WEEK 6:

1st Feeding – 1 ½ ml BIO-GROW - 2 ¼ ml BIO-BLOOM – 1ml TOP-MAX
2nd Feeding – 1 ½ ml BIO-GROW – 2 ½ ml BIO-BLOOM – 1ml TOP-MAX

WEEK 7:

1st Feeding – 1 ½ ml BIO-GROW - 3 ml Bio-BLOOM – 2ml TOP-MAX
2nd Feeding – FLUSH

WEEK 8:

1st Feeding - FLUSH
2nd Feeding - FLUSH


Thank you for all your help so far.
 
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Not to discourage you by any means but I would be really impressed if you could achieve two things:

1- If you were able to finish this auto-flowering strain in just 8 weeks. I doubt that very much indeed (and the last week is only flushing which makes this grow 7 week only). I think it will be more like 10 weeks without the flush week.

2- If you were able to achieve 5 oz which amounts to 140 grams. Your light actual power is around 170 Watts. One dry gram per watt of power is hard to achieve especially for a new grower. I would think you might be able to achieve 1/2 gram per Watt which is about 70 grams in your case (2.5 oz). Not bad by any means!

Anyway, good luck with your grow and I would advise you keep your expectations in check at least till you get the hang of it.
 
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Dr-JG

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Mohamed. said:
Not to discourage you by any means but I would be really impressed if you could achieve two things:

1- If you were able to finish this auto-flowering strain in just 8 weeks. I doubt that very much indeed (and the last week is only flushing which makes this grow 7 week only). I think it will be more like 10 weeks without the flush week.

2- If you were able to achieve 5 oz which amounts to 140 grams. Your light actual power is around 170 Watts. One dry gram per watt of power is hard to achieve especially for a new grower. I would think you might be able to achieve 1/2 gram per Watt which is about 70 grams in your case (2.5 oz). Not bad by any means!

Anyway, good luck with your grow and I would advise you keep your expectations in check at least till you get the hang of it.
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Hello dude, yeah of course, you are right, but my aim is between 2 and 5 so would be more than happy with that result.

In fact anything above 30g would make me happy.

And about expectations, its all about that positive energy I am putting out there, willing them to flourish with the power of my soul! hahahah :dunce:


But yeah, thanks for pointing that out about the nutes. Shows how green I am.

How would I scale it up to 10 weeks?
 
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Mohamed.

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Yup, it's all about the positive energy :D

So what you do is you monitor your plant. If at the start of Week 7 it really seemed like it's finishing up then by all means give her the Week 7 nutes as per your feeding schedule above. But since I doubt it will finish this soon, then you just keep giving her the Week 6 feed throughout the following weeks up until you notice it finishing up then you go for the Week 7 feed (which might actually happen at Week 10).

Now, how do you know your plant is about to finish up? the most common technique is to monitor the color of the trichomes on the plant. Once they stop being clear (transparent) and start becoming milky white, you will know that you're on the onset of finishing. The trichomes then turn from milky white to amber if the plant is left to grow. Most people harvest when they see and equal amount of milky white to amber trichomes (about 50/50) as this can be considered the best compromise between the kind of high you get and the yield. If you want more of a "head high" then you harvest earlier (when the trichomes are just starting to brown) but your yield will suffer. If you harvest late (when almost all the trichomes are amber), you will get a "body high" (more of a couch lock effect) which some people actually like! and you will achieve better yield. But for now, I think 50/50 is a good compromise. Also you will find the pistils on the buds turn brown and curl up once the plant is ready to harvest.

So as you see, the plant will guide you. Cheers!
 
DCcan

DCcan

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10 week schedule link from BioBizz below

:arrow::arrow::arrow: schedule


Don't just feed according to a schedule, try using nutes a bit lighter especially for auto.
If you don't have an EC tester, get one. And PH tester makes life easy.
 
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Dr-JG

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Mohamed. said:
Yup, it's all about the positive energy :D

So what you do is you monitor your plant. If at the start of Week 7 it really seemed like it's finishing up then by all means give her the Week 7 nutes as per your feeding schedule above. But since I doubt it will finish this soon, then you just keep giving her the Week 6 feed throughout the following weeks up until you notice it finishing up then you go for the Week 7 feed (which might actually happen at Week 10).

Now, how do you know your plant is about to finish up? the most common technique is to monitor the color of the trichomes on the plant. Once they stop being clear (transparent) and start becoming milky white, you will know that you're on the onset of finishing. The trichomes then turn from milky white to amber if the plant is left to grow. Most people harvest when they see and equal amount of milky white to amber trichomes (about 50/50) as this can be considered the best compromise between the kind of high you get and the yield. If you want more of a "head high" then you harvest earlier (when the trichomes are just starting to brown) but your yield will suffer. If you harvest late (when almost all the trichomes are amber), you will get a "body high" (more of a couch lock effect) which some people actually like! and you will achieve better yield. But for now, I think 50/50 is a good compromise. Also you will find the pistils on the buds turn brown and curl up once the plant is ready to harvest.

So as you see, the plant will guide you. Cheers!
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Awesome info, thanks my friend!

Babies should arrive tomorrow, getting pre-natal anxiety here.
 
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