OK then. Biden 2020.

hanimmal

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I prefer Elizabeth Warren. Klobuchar is OK, though. While I very much admire Ms Obama, in my opinion, we need a person with experience running government as Veep.
I agree and think with Warren as VP, Biden is invincible. It would just come down to the Republican governor thing. It still may well be worth it, give Warren 4 years to brush up on her foreign affairs, but Klobachar is good enough to take over if Biden drops and has a Democratic Govenor.

I would love to see Abrams elevated too, she would really be able to captivate the country. Anyway you slice it Biden has a hard but ultimately satisfying choice he gets to make, there are so many highly capable women for VP.

I am much more interested in his Supreme Court picks, but it looks like that is about to become a trolling attack on him too.
 

Fogdog

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What do you geniuses think, will Biden be allowed to speak for himself or will his wife do the talking while he does the sleeping?

didn't watch the video

The Jimmy Dore Show is a media source that promotes right wing propaganda. Anything that comes for his show is suspect.
 

booboolaylah

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didn't watch the video

The Jimmy Dore Show is a media source that promotes right wing propaganda. Anything that comes for his show is suspect.
Jimmy Dore is right wing propaganda? That's the first time I hear such a characterization of the show, Jimmy Dore himself would say they are all _very_ left wing, so would you mind elaborating?
 

hanimmal

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Jimmy Dore is right wing propaganda? That's the first time I hear such a characterization of the show, Jimmy Dore himself would say they are all _very_ left wing, so would you mind elaborating?
Just because someone/something is pretending to be 'Left' or progressive, doesn't mean it is not a right wing trolling trying to get Trump re-elected.

2016 was just a dress rehearsal for what the Russians and other Foreign & Domestic militarized trolls are doing now in 2020.
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The "Hill" is basically "OANN" just pretending not to be.
 

booboolaylah

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Just because someone/something is pretending to be 'Left' or progressive, doesn't mean it is not a right wing trolling trying to get Trump re-elected.

2016 was just a dress rehearsal for what the Russians and other Foreign & Domestic militarized trolls are doing now in 2020.

The "Hill" is basically "OANN" just pretending not to be.
What are you talking about, online trolling is a valid political action in 21st century. Unless you think it's only Democrats and their Share Blue trolls that should be the ones muddying the water because it suits you personally? Democrats even had a team of Google engineers help them with online targeting when Obama was seeking re-election in a way that makes Cambridge Analytica shy.

Also, I wonder what you'll say when the level of corruption in intelligence community is finally revealed. Will you claim "only dictators lock up FBI and CIA people" or will you wake up to the fact that Democrats corrupted our law enforcement and intelligence agencies to an extent this country has never seen before?

Also, General Michael Flynn says hi! Can't wait for him to get his revenge :)
 

UncleBuck

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What are you talking about, online trolling is a valid political action in 21st century. Unless you think it's only Democrats and their Share Blue trolls that should be the ones muddying the water because it suits you personally? Democrats even had a team of Google engineers help them with online targeting when Obama was seeking re-election in a way that makes Cambridge Analytica shy.

Also, I wonder what you'll say when the level of corruption in intelligence community is finally revealed. Will you claim "only dictators lock up FBI and CIA people" or will you wake up to the fact that Democrats corrupted our law enforcement and intelligence agencies to an extent this country has never seen before?

Also, General Michael Flynn says hi! Can't wait for him to get his revenge :)
oh look

A retard
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
What are you talking about, online trolling is a valid political action in 21st century. Unless you think it's only Democrats and their Share Blue trolls that should be the ones muddying the water because it suits you personally? Democrats even had a team of Google engineers help them with online targeting when Obama was seeking re-election in a way that makes Cambridge Analytica shy.

Also, I wonder what you'll say when the level of corruption in intelligence community is finally revealed. Will you claim "only dictators lock up FBI and CIA people" or will you wake up to the fact that Democrats corrupted our law enforcement and intelligence agencies to an extent this country has never seen before?

Also, General Michael Flynn says hi! Can't wait for him to get his revenge :)
The problem comes when you have foreign resources being poured into an American (or whatever other democracies this is being done to) election for the benefit of getting their candidate of choice elected, it is not the same by a mile.

We are under attack and unfortunantly we have been fed so many times bullshit stories by anything touching Trump, everything just re-enforces to the noise that people like yourself use to sell your cult leader.

Flynn pled guilty, no amount of shenanigans Bill Barr can do will change that.
 

Fogdog

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Jimmy Dore is right wing propaganda? That's the first time I hear such a characterization of the show, Jimmy Dore himself would say they are all _very_ left wing, so would you mind elaborating?
Yep, totally propaganda.

The format alone is a tip-off. He plays about 1 or 2 minutes of factual reporting and then the next ten minutes he acts as thought-guide telling people what to think. His thought guides are not factual and filled with pleas to one's emotions, mostly anger. His talking points are recycled right wing propaganda he casts as if he's coming from the left with the same talking points against Democrats. He's just a Republican shill.

I've broken it down before. bored with that. Not going to listen to him. He's just a propaganda mouthpiece for Republicans.
 

booboolaylah

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Yep, totally propaganda.

The format alone is a tip-off. He plays about 1 or 2 minutes of factual reporting and then the next ten minutes he acts as thought-guide telling people what to think. His thought guides are not factual and filled with pleas to one's emotions, mostly anger. His talking points are recycled right wing propaganda he casts as if he's coming from the left with the same talking points against Democrats. He's just a Republican shill.
Replace "right" with "left," "anger" with "sneering contempt" and you've just described every night "comedy" show like John Oliver, Trevor Noah, etc.

What amazes me is that so many of the common people on the Left are still so faithful in defending their propaganda. It's been almost 4 years of endless disappointments and crushed hopes for you guys, yet you're still somehow able to go online and declare Jimmy Dore a right-winger lol
 

hanimmal

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Replace "right" with "left," "anger" with "sneering contempt" and you've just described every night "comedy" show like John Oliver, Trevor Noah, etc.

What amazes me is that so many of the common people on the Left are still so faithful in defending their propaganda. It's been almost 4 years of endless disappointments and crushed hopes for you guys, yet you're still somehow able to go online and declare Jimmy Dore a right-winger lol
Yeah they list themselves as 'comedy'. Hate Radio (Rush, Levin), and Fox forgot to mention that part to Beck, Hannity, and all but like 2-3 reporters over the last 20 years. They are entertainment not news.

Who is this guy accountable to? Actual news stations/journalists are held accountable in the courts if they make mistakes and get hit financially. It just takes breaking out of the cult to see it. That gets hard because everyone is so programmed to take offense and try to defend their bullshit instead of just saying, 'that makes sense'.
 

Fogdog

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Replace "right" with "left," "anger" with "sneering contempt" and you've just described every night "comedy" show like John Oliver, Trevor Noah, etc.

What amazes me is that so many of the common people on the Left are still so faithful in defending their propaganda. It's been almost 4 years of endless disappointments and crushed hopes for you guys, yet you're still somehow able to go online and declare Jimmy Dore a right-winger lol
Sort of. But Jimmy Dore is a nobody with no appeal. In any case, whether or not your comparison is accurate, it doesn't mean that Jimmy Dore is a reliable source of information. He's not and fwiw, I don't go to Oliver or Noah for information either. They are entertainers. Did you consider that post with Jimmy Dore to be entertaining or were you trying to influence? It was not information so let's leave that out. Propaganda is published to influence and Jimmy Dore is that in spades. Anything coming from his show is suspect.
 

hanimmal

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Is there anything new here? Do you have an opinion about it?

Do you think this somehow changes anything in the balance of Trump vs Biden morality of choice?

The Evangelicals already think (wrongly) that Democrats are for murdering children, and the Racists (against any/all immigrants) think the Democrats are for whatever they mean by 'Open Borders', so neither of them were voting for Biden.

The troll of him being a sexist/racist trolls are easily visible in their difference of Trump's many issues vs Biden maybe getting frisky with a intern (oh yeah, and a handful of bad looking gifs out of the 1000's of pictures he must have taken during the 50 years or so in office) in the 90's, and/or it just being a right wing troll against him using someone with a Putin loving angle. Either way Biden is not on tape talking about an attempted rape and how he gets away with it all the time, nor over a dozen credible rape charges.

I think Brad Parscale has his hands full trying to make this troll stick.
 

Fogdog

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After Biden gave his first public response, this was what one leader of an organization that is combating workplace harrassment said:



after his comments on Friday, Times Up Now, an organization dedicated to combating workplace harassment, offered implicit praise for Mr. Biden and much sharper criticism for Mr. Trump.

Tina Tchen, the president and chief executive of the organization, said Mr. Biden “did what he had to do” in his remarks by taking the “allegations seriously” while respecting Ms. Reade’s right to speak out.

The Time’s Up Legal Defense Fund, which does not represent clients, gave her a list of lawyers with expertise in such cases. The fund does not typically assist survivors without legal representation. Ms. Reade said none took her case then and she still remains without a lawyer.

Ms. Tchen said the Biden campaign had contacted her organization as part of an outreach effort to multiple groups. She advised the campaign to take Ms. Reade’s allegation “seriously,” adding that voters may never definitively know whether the incident occurred. "A lot of times these case don’t resolve like that,” she said. “You gotta look at the whole picture. I would assess these candidates on their character, the policies that they promote and put forward and the leadership abilities that they have.”


Ms Tchen speaks truth. Barring clear evidence that proves Biden did harass Ms Reade, we aren't ever going to resolve this issue with black and white clarity. Look at the whole picture, assess the candidate for who he is and his policies. I'm glad everybody, even Republicans have shown they are good at listening. It would be good if they took that new-found skill to allegations of Trump. I'm listening to Ms Reade, just like I did when Kavanaugh was accused. I found the testimony against Kavanaugh to be convincing and would have preferred that Republicans choose somebody else. When Reade testifies, I'll listen too. Until she gives testimony under oath as Ms Ford did, I don't really have a enough to form an opinion on what she's said. Right now, looking at Biden's record, what I can know of his past and his policies, I'm voting for Biden. Trump is an ass. We KNOW that. I'll listen when Reade has something to say in a forum that matters.
 
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hanimmal

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After Biden gave his first public response, this was what one leader of an organization that is combating workplace harrassment said:



after his comments on Friday, Times Up Now, an organization dedicated to combating workplace harassment, offered implicit praise for Mr. Biden and much sharper criticism for Mr. Trump.

Tina Tchen, the president and chief executive of the organization, said Mr. Biden “did what he had to do” in his remarks by taking the “allegations seriously” while respecting Ms. Reade’s right to speak out.

The Time’s Up Legal Defense Fund, which does not represent clients, gave her a list of lawyers with expertise in such cases. The fund does not typically assist survivors without legal representation. Ms. Reade said none took her case then and she still remains without a lawyer.

Ms. Tchen said the Biden campaign had contacted her organization as part of an outreach effort to multiple groups. She advised the campaign to take Ms. Reade’s allegation “seriously,” adding that voters may never definitively know whether the incident occurred. "A lot of times these case don’t resolve like that,” she said. “You gotta look at the whole picture. I would assess these candidates on their character, the policies that they promote and put forward and the leadership abilities that they have.”


Ms Tchen speaks truth. Barring clear evidence that proves Biden did harass Ms Reade, we aren't ever going to resolve this issue with black and white clarity. Look at the whole picture, assess the candidate for who he is and his policies. I'm glad everybody, even Republicans have shown they are good at listening. It would be good if they took that new-found skill to allegations of Trump. I'm listening to Ms Reade, just like I did when Kavanaugh was accused. I found the testimony against Kavanaugh to be convincing and would have preferred that Republicans choose somebody else. When Reade testifies, I'll listen too. Until she gives testimony under oath as Ms Ford did, I don't really have a enough to form an opinion on what she's said. Right now, looking at Biden's record, what I can know of his past and his policies, I'm voting for Biden. Trump is an ass. We KNOW that. Biden has a pretty good record and is leagues better than Trump in this regard.
Yeah Mika tore into Biden today on Morning Joe.


The only real question that wasn't asked was did you ever for any reason touch her vagina. He is emphatic he never assaulted her or any complaints that she made.


I defiantly think this is worth the read:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/04/29/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation-tara-reade-column/3046962001/
►Compliments for Biden. In the 1990s, Biden worked to pass the Violence Against Women Act. In 2017, on multiple occasions, Reade retweeted or “liked” praise for Biden and his work combating sexual assault. In the same year, Reade tweeted other compliments of Biden, including: “My old boss speaks truth. Listen.” It is bizarre that Reade would publicly laud Biden for combating the very thing she would later accuse him of doing to her.

►Rejecting Biden, embracing Sanders. By this January, Reade was all in for presidential candidate Bernie Sanders. Her unwavering support was accompanied by an unbridled attack on Biden. In an article on Medium, Reade referred to Biden as “the blue version of Trump.” Reade also pushed a Sanders/Elizabeth Warren ticket, while complaining that the Democratic National Committee was trying to “shove” Biden “down Democrat voters throats.”

Despite her effusive 2017 praise for Biden’s efforts on behalf of women, after pledging her support to Sanders, Reade turned on Biden and contradicted all she said before. She claimed that her decision to publicly accuse Biden of inappropriately touching her was due to “the hypocrisy that Biden is supposed to be the champion of women’s rights.”

►Love of Russia and Putin. During 2017 when Reade was praising Biden, she was condemning Russian leader Vladimir Putin’s efforts to hijack American democracy in the 2016 election. This changed in November 2018, when Reade trashed the United States as a country of “hypocrisy and imperialism” and “not a democracy at all but a corporate autocracy.”

Reade’s distaste for America closely tracked her new infatuation with Russia and Putin. She referred to Putin as a “genius” with an athletic prowess that “is intoxicating to American women.” Then there’s this gem: “President Putin has an alluring combination of strength with gentleness. His sensuous image projects his love for life, the embodiment of grace while facing adversity.”

In March 2019, Reade essentially dismissed the idea of Russian interference in the 2016 American presidential election as hype. She said she loved Russia and her Russian relatives — and "like most women across the world, I like President Putin … a lot, his shirt on or shirt off.”
This is totally designed to make Biden fight the fight that Trump will be trying to skate by on.
 
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