Light Ballast Fried. New light. switch to LED or stay HPS?

Renfro

Renfro

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If you are gonna run Lucas formula using only the micro and bloom, the numbers should be more like 8 mL per gallon of the micro and 16 mL per gallon of the bloom.
 
Renfro

Renfro

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The new high quality LED lights will actually have to be run higher because the light is so intense so yeah they will penetrate. They work very well, however the cheap LED lights are crap. You get what you pay for.
 
big tony

big tony

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Renfro said:
If you are gonna run Lucas formula using only the micro and bloom, the numbers should be more like 8 mL per gallon of the micro and 16 mL per gallon of the bloom.
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What about Grow? I have 1 gallon versions of all three (Flora Micro,Grow,Bloom)
 
Renfro

Renfro

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I also use Calimagic (calmag)

Calmag I keep at 3mL / gallon always and pH is at 6.5 for peat based soiless mix.

For veg my mix comes to:

M = 7.33 mL / gal
G = 7.33 mL/ gal
B = 3.67 mL / gal

For first 1 week of 12/12

M = 8
G = 8
B = 8

Rest of flower (except last week)

M = 8
G = 7
B = 10

Last week

M = 8
G = 0
B = 10
 
rkymtnman

rkymtnman

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big tony said:
What about Grow? I have 1 gallon versions of all three (Flora Micro,Grow,Bloom)
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there is soemthing called H3AD's formula for coco that's based on GH flora series.

6ml micro, 9 mL bloom and 1 gram of epsom salts per gallon.

i wouldn't start at full dose since your plants are in bad shape. maybe try that recipe in 3 gallons water (RO if possible)
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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nxsov180db said:
Wrong

Wrong
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Single point light sources throw a lot more light in more directions than led so penetration is better than your leds easily. I mean just google them sog with hps then with leds - no competition with the lower buds there dude :-)
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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Chip Green said:
False
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Ive actually had issues recently with a few led growers where their lowers really sucked, is it that after a small amount of penetration all them 3watt diodes glued together just dont have the uniformity of power that they would if they combined to a single light point. Even the spread seems a bit less wide than a cmh or hps as any bud not under the light direct drops off as well.

Peeps can rave on led all they want but failing to keep plants short sure does show against your competitors :-)
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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nxsov180db said:
You're not that smart are you? Take 1000 watts in a single light source (hps bulb) across a 4x4 canopy then compare that to 16 cobs over the seame canopy throwing light from 16 different sources eliminating shadows from the upper canopy..The led wins every time.
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Seems to bee a lot of de 1000w hps growers and more recently cmh growers that disagree for a start - led trolling again id assume.

And no you do not achieve more uniformity of light because it dosent combine or hold its spectrum as well - thats basic science you can google but avoid led wensites just staet with more science type who unlike you lot dont over hype everything.

Kg is presently laughing at a lot of you trolls on many subjects like led dry cure genetics latest strains thatyou trolled here like you were the big boys of this game.

There is an led section if you need to fill baseless assumptions with your light is the best - we more about learning and not egos here, you might notice we also get that done tganks :-)
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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nxsov180db said:
So you're comparing newbies that use 3w diodes or "blurples" to other quality led users to make it seem like all leds suck? Isn't that kind of like me trying to compare led to a burnt out degraded hps that should have been swapped out 2 cycles ago?
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No im slurring you all with the same spittle you slur all hps with - does it feel acceptable to you.... :-)
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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Chip Green said:
Never argue with a fool, they will drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience.
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Leds been gettimg laughed at for years - still they struggle and you brought so much hype and lies here you may never be anything but the biggest tools of the whole site.

Plus we all know you paid well over the odds for those lights so basically snakeoil suckers :-)
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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Chip Green said:
I'll put my 400w panel up against any 400 HID any day....
Ever chop 22 zips from a 400 HPS?
I doubt it.
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Dont be a noob dude - we quote veg time with yeilds as i could yeild even more with time.

Thats how you leds do it, omit facts to make yeilds bigger - us good growers see straight through the lies bro :-)
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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rkymtnman said:
wrong. diffuse light does that, not single point.
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Lol dude really - its a 360 degree discharge placed under a reflector - its uniformity and spetrum strength are pretty much awesome - leds however overlap and create fluxes of light not to mention that low wattage will always struggle to hold spectrum over distance.

What happened recently is we looked at the science and found led lacking in many places ppfd to be one - so we simply trolled them off till they started acting like real growers not haters with some amazing product.

Now moving forward and i find many deficient in the dry and cure and like leds have followed some stupid science that is wrong and left them less so experienced against us crafting mofos who have been running our own business since way before this legal rubbish and led hype started up.

If you cant give realistic information then troll you will but assume most will troll the trolls out as basic facts now trump your ideology.

Good luck for the future - if you havent learnt by now your fucked pretty much :-)
 
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