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Michael Huntherz

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The USPS revenue comes from their business operations, not from taxpayers. However, they DO receive a benefit in the form of being able to borrow at favorable rates, by having restrictions on other companies being able to handle 1st class mail, and a few other ‘benefits’. BUT there are all kinds of things that are actually the OPPOSITE of a subsidy from taxpayers. Here are a few:

  • When the federal government allowed other businesses to handle the package business (DHL, FEDEX, UPS) these companies took the most profitable business and left the USPS with the least profitable - delivery to EVERY household, regardless of the cost of delivery. My favorite example is that the Havasupai tribe that lives on the floor of the Grand Canyon, receives first class mail and packages (for a regular stamp price), by USPS mule train - no private company wants this business… or any business for 50cents to every door in America - no matter the distances between the customers.
  • The congress has forced the USPS to FORWARD FUND pensions very far into the future (no company does this). There are people that haven’t been born or hired by USPS yet, for which the USPS is required to lock up their pensions.
  • Universal delivery: USPS is required to provide door-to-door, end-of-driveway service to EVERY household in the US, for the price of first class stamp.
  • The congress will not allow USPS to close those money losing, dinky post offices all around the nation, primarily because they are jobs for the localities… not because it’s efficient, or cost effective.
So in many ways the USPS has the WORST of both worlds, the congress controls what they can do and must do, yet forces them to do business whether it’s profitable or not. AND the congress also works to keep the price of USPS’s services low, including the price of stamps.
Yep
Here's an article from Forbes.

But as Robert Shapiro—former Treasury undersecretary and chairman of the economic consultancy Sonecon—points out in a new analysis, American taxpayers subsidize the USPS at a rate that surpasses the costs associated with any Congressional mandate. He estimates that, all told, the subsidies and legal monopolies that Congress bestows upon the post office is worth $18 billion annually. These include:

Laws that bar any other shipping service from delivering mail and packages directly to residential and business mailboxes.Shapiro estimates that this gives the Post Office a $14 billion annual boost, more than three times what the Postal Regulatory Commission estimates it to be. Shapiro argues that the PRC’s analysis doesn’t take into account the productivity gains that the Post Office would be forced to make if it really had to compete for mailbox delivery. He points out that productivity at USPS has only grown by 0.7% per year versus 2.5% for its competition.
Tax breaks. The Post Office is exempt from state and local property and real estate taxes, along with other burdens like tolls, vehicle registration fees, and parking tickets. These exemptions save the USPS $2.18 billion per year.

Cheap borrowing. The Postal Service, writes Shapiro, “can borrow from the U.S. Treasury through the Federal Financing Bank, at highly-subsidized interest rates.” It currently borrows the legal limit of $15.2 billion at a rate of 1.2%. Without this access, it would be paying somewhere between $415 million and $490 million per year more in interest.

Finally, Shapiro points out that the USPS pays its workers salaries and benefits far above the rates paid to similar workers in the private sector. Labor accounted for 78% of the organization’s costs in 2014, “with about 89% of those costs involving employees represented by collective bargaining.” These higher labor costs, plus the absence of a need to innovate due to government-granted monopolies, has freed the USPS from $20 billion in labor and productivity costs per year, Shapiro estimates. “While we do not technically count this as a subsidy,” he writes, it represents an economic burden on others arising directly from USPS’s monopoly position.” Postage, for instance, would likely be cheaper for everyone if the organization were subject to the same competitive pressures as private firms.


It’s remarkable that the United States, which has a reputation for being more free market-oriented than other rich nations, maintains this government-mandated monopoly. Over the past several decades, the process of European integration led to the deregulation and privatization of European postal monopolies, with generally good results.

Given the inability for Congress and the White House to agree on even basic legislation, it’s unlikely that any major changes to the Post Office will be coming soon. After all, the Post Office’s losses aren’t an anomaly. It has spent a large part of its history in the red, as this chart from Shapiro shows:



Meanwhile, the $18 billion in subsidies given to the USPS are spread imperceptibly over the entire country, while the costs of privatization would be borne heavily by a few. Folks in rural areas might have to pay much more to lure private businesses to deliver mail.

The Post Office employs 618,000 people—more than any civilian employer besides Wal Mart. Given the pay disparities between the Post Office and private employers, these people would be highly motivated to block any significant change to the current system.

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Bring it on home, friends! Nice work, both of you.
And thanks, America.


And nice fucking buds Bakersfield, whoo, damn.
 

CoB_nUt

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Lol noone wants the other packs yo.
 

quiescent

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Lol noone wants the other packs yo.
This. If you sold the jelly pie by itself you'd have the money by now. Just take the L on those other packs bro. I'm doing the same thing in a different way.

None of my local buddies want these, so going to whomever messages me with what they want and an addy. Free, gratis, nada... however you say it, it's happening again. My only request is only take what you can realistically grow. I'm getting rid of these to give them that chance.

Packs were opened upon receipt to ensure good seeds. I don't like being surprised or hitting a breeder with a by the way after I'm surprised because it's not gonna be pretty.

Only cackleberry and Chinook haze remaining.
 

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Big Green Thumb

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This. If you sold the jelly pie by itself you'd have the money by now. Just take the L on those other packs bro. I'm doing the same thing in a different way.

None of my local buddies want these, so going to whomever messages me with what they want and an addy. Free, gratis, nada... however you say it, it's happening again. My only request is only take what you can realistically grow. I'm getting rid of these to give them that chance.

Packs were opened upon receipt to ensure good seeds. I don't like being surprised or hitting a breeder with a by the way after I'm surprised because it's not gonna be pretty.
Conversation started.
 

Cptn

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hype...hype...hype...hype...hype...hype...hype...hype...hype...hype...hype...hype...hype...hype...hype...hype...hype......hype...

hhhhhhhhhyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyype. cant even give this junk away...
because everybody here already has a pile of the beans.
Your selling snow to eskimos.
has nothing to do with the quality of the gear.
 

CoB_nUt

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This. If you sold the jelly pie by itself you'd have the money by now. Just take the L on those other packs bro. I'm doing the same thing in a different way.

None of my local buddies want these, so going to whomever messages me with what they want and an addy. Free, gratis, nada... however you say it, it's happening again. My only request is only take what you can realistically grow. I'm getting rid of these to give them that chance.

Packs were opened upon receipt to ensure good seeds. I don't like being surprised or hitting a breeder with a by the way after I'm surprised because it's not gonna be pretty.

Only cackleberry, purple badlands and Chinook haze remaining.
That Purp badlands was my #2 choice after JP.
Props to you for the giveaway.
 
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