Best light on the market ?

[Lordhooha]

Lol fuck off like the leaf is a mirror to green light? Is it gree walking through a forest, no other colour of light?

You basic, basically comr back in a few years when you actually know how a leaf deals eith photons.

Lame weak never carried onlearming just assumed green is reflected like a sumplevmirtor duuuuh.

You cant even explain just keep running down thecquestions...

Consider if you knew youd add to the discussion not constantly question.

Any real growers here trolls?

So no actual citations? Again I've been going to school constantly learning working towards another degree in botany. I already have one in computer science focusing on networking engineering and one in business. Soon I'll have one in botany. But its obvious your more of an internet warrior determined to argue and attempt to shout down anyone that doesn't 100% agree with you.

 

[Heisenbeans]

Ya maybe fifteen pages ago back when you made them dumb led comment most disagreed with except thevled tribe you should have summoned some back up but now id just laugh at them sellouts too.

Ya do know growmau is a sellout dont ya? He neen trolled forvit by some beforecyou got here, google some of the threads he got victimized on, ya know why we had to have an led forum now

Cause of clowns posting gibberish like yourself without actually posting any proof. I bet you would have been on the world is still flat side of the argument.. I've seen his grows where's yours at. I see lots of talk but no pics yet.

You gonna post any pics of some bomb ass HPS grows or just talk. I mean I suppose if you read enough about race cars you could convince some people you was a professional race car driver

Any pics?

 

[NoWaistedSpace]

Ya maybe fifteen pages ago back when you made them dumb led comment most disagreed with except thevled tribe you should have summoned some back up but now id just laugh at them sellouts too.

Ya do know growmau is a sellout dont ya? He neen trolled forvit by some beforecyou got here, google some of the threads he got victimized on, ya know why we had to have an led forum now

Also about the "pinpoints" of light thing, if you take the area squared of a 1000 watt HPS bulb surface and match the area surface equal with COBs. This would simple be a "laughable" experiment. But now, HPS is still a good grow light. Just sayin' There's not much more you can do with an HPS. You compressed the Sodium into a more compact bulb(DE), all that's left is "fixture" reflectivity. Am I right?

 

[maxlev]

Now the Chilled grow lights are expensive.

US$10 less than the QB135 kit

 

[growingforfun]

It's your money to do with as you please. I'm not the enemy. But that is a lot of money to put out for technology that should cost at minimum 20% -30% less in a couple years or less. The technology is good but the price point reflects that it is new technology. I'm someone that always waits for the price point to become reasonable. I don't see that as reasonable but that's just me.

I'm actually looking at adding some LED strips to my 2' x 4' tent to supplement my T5 fixture that doesn't provide the coverage I want for larger plants.. A mix of two 6500k and two 3500K lights in my 4 bulb fixture with some Samsung strips on both sides. I'm not anti-LED. I just don't think they actually grow better weed. They do save on power, cut heat, and last longer. They have their pro's but the one con I can't overcome is the price. I'm not paying what they want at this time and will continue to grow using HID. If my ballasts go out and I need new lighting I will seriously look at LED's. Not because they grow better weed but because I would be stupid not to look at everything.

LEDs are about 20% better than they were last year at this time. I'd bet you that within 2 years people wont be buying the same LEDs they are now, and most people will consider them worthless in 5 years.
LEDs are rapidly getting better, price is dropping while quality increases. There will be a tipping point where it's what makes the most sence and it wont be a question or debate it will be what everyone does. Right now that isn't the case.

 

[coreywebster]

Whats the wattage maxlev?

US$10 less than the QB135 kit

 

[xtsho]

I would much rather hire a real carpenter to build my house than some one that just read a book and never even picked up a hammer before.

I'd rather have a house built by a design from an architect than some carpenter. There is more than hammering boards together with nails.

 

[Heisenbeans]

My cob setup for veg absolutely kills the old MH setup in every way. No way in hell I would ever go to anything else. I spent 1400 dollars on all these cobs and heat sinks after I had already ran them previously. This was a win win for me. I get rediculous growth and less heat to have to deal with.

These plants are less than 2 weeks old from clone.

Also get better root growth. I would hate to have to start posting root porn pics.

 

[NoWaistedSpace]

LEDs are about 20% better than they were last year at this time. I'd bet you that within 2 years people wont be buying the same LEDs they are now, and most people will consider them worthless in 5 years.
LEDs are rapidly getting better, price is dropping while quality increases. There will be a tipping point where it's what makes the most sence and it wont be a question or debate it will be what everyone does. Right now that isn't the case.

That's why I invested in "high quality" heat sinks and drivers.
I was anticipating a "diode" change when the technology improves to the point where my Vero 29's are obsolete.

 

[xtsho]

My cob setup for veg absolutely kills the old MH setup in every way. No way in hell I would ever go to anything else. I spent 1400 dollars on all these cobs and heat sinks after I had already ran them previously. This was a win win for me. I get rediculous growth and less heat to have to deal with.

These plants are less than 2 weeks old from clone.

Also get better root growth. I would hate to have to start posting root porn pics.


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Nice looking plants. You're also growing hydro. You won't get the same results in soil which is what many people grow in. I just switched back to coco. The plant growth in veg under my T5 far exceeds the growth from the last run in soil. It isn't from the lights but the growing method. I've been really happy with my HID. Lets just say that the LED is better. If so by how much? Is it worth the cost or should I wait a year and buy the same for much less? I'll eventually go LED but not now when the price is geared towards raping the consumer.

The price of LED's is just ridiculous right now. Until they come down in price I'm not going all in with them.

 

[Heisenbeans]

LEDs are about 20% better than they were last year at this time. I'd bet you that within 2 years people wont be buying the same LEDs they are now, and most people will consider them worthless in 5 years.
LEDs are rapidly getting better, price is dropping while quality increases. There will be a tipping point where it's what makes the most sence and it wont be a question or debate it will be what everyone does. Right now that isn't the case.

Same concept with TV's. At what point does the screen become so clear it isn't noticeable anymore. I'm happy with the LED setups I have and they serve there purpose well. They paid for themselves 5 times over after the first grow.

I didnt get them because I needed to save money on equipment.
I got them because I can grow more weight without raising any flags with the electric company.

If I had to run 6 gravitas to cover the same areas I'm using cobs over it would be like only having to run 4 gravitas. If that was the case I would be running gravitas but were talking about wattage here. That's what the electric company charges you for. Not PAR or ppfd. They could give a shit less and running 6 gravitas puts my electric bill in the red and having to also keep all that heat in check.

You guys in legal states dont realize the struggle is real and every watt counts

 

[NoWaistedSpace]

Nice looking plants. You're also growing hydro. You won't get the same results in soil which is what many people grow in. I just switched back to coco. The plant growth in veg under my T5 far exceeds the growth from the last run in soil. It isn't from the lights but the growing method. I've been really happy with my HID. Lets just say that the LED is better. If so by how much? Is it worth the cost or should I wait a year and buy the same for much less? I'll eventually go LED but not now when the price is geared towards raping the consumer.

The price of LED's is just ridiculous right now. Until they come down in price I'm not going all in with them.

I am 100% organic. My results are the same.
Our styles are 180 degrees different. The tools are there. The rest is "grower error". Don't mean for it to sound harsh. I'm not using a "blurple" light.
Bridgelux Vero 29's or CREE CXB3590's are 2 of the top quality COBs on the market. I recommend either, depends on growing style after that.

 

[xtsho]

I am 100% organic. My results are the same.
Our styles are 180 degrees different. The tools are there. The rest is "grower error". Don't mean for it to sound harsh. I'm not using a "blurple" light.

So growing organic in soil you're getting the same growth rates as hydro?

OK

 

[maxlev]

Whats the wattage maxlev?

Chilled 100w draws 111w from the plug at 230v
I want 2 more to put 3 on their own in another 2x4

 

[growingforfun]

Same concept with TV's. At what point does the screen become so clear it isn't noticeable anymore. I'm happy with the LED setups I have and they serve there purpose well. They paid for themselves 5 times over after the first grow.

I didnt get them because I needed to save money on equipment.
I got them because I can grow more weight without raising any flags with the electric company.

If I had to run 6 gravitas to cover the same areas I'm using cobs over it would be like only having to run 4 gravitas. If that was the case I would be running gravitas but were talking about wattage here. That's what the electric company charges you for. Not PAR or ppfd. They could give a shit less and running 6 gravitas puts my electric bill in the red and having to also keep all that heat in check.

You guys in legal states dont realize the struggle is real and every watt counts

You should check your assumptions at the door. Speak only about yourself because that's honestly the only thing you know about, that's what's causing these problems for you. First you assume you know fuck all about somebody else, then you assume LEDs are best for everyone.

 

[Heisenbeans]

Nice looking plants. You're also growing hydro. You won't get the same results in soil which is what many people grow in. I just switched back to coco. The plant growth in veg under my T5 far exceeds the growth from the last run in soil. It isn't from the lights but the growing method. I've been really happy with my HID. Lets just say that the LED is better. If so by how much? Is it worth the cost or should I wait a year and buy the same for much less? I'll eventually go LED but not now when the price is ridiculous.

The price of LED's is just ridiculous right now. Until they come down in price I'm not going all in with them.

I care less about the cost.

If I had to upgrade and spend the same amount every 4 years it would not bother me.

By running cobs I can still pull 4 pounds in a 4x10 all day using only 1600 watts total.
Two double ended gravitas will pull 2400 watts and it adds up at the end of the month.

I can afford to run 8000 watts all day but I dont need that shit on my electric bill so I can still pull the same weight as running 6 gravitas but with the electric usage of 4.

I can see how people in warehouse grows in legal states have 0 need for led cause they could give a shit less about them.

If I was in a legal state with 2200 square feet of floor space I would also run gravitas and give the electric bill to the accountant with pleasure laughing to the bank.

But LED are perfect for the small scale growers trying to keep electricity cost in check and not having to suffer.

I'm running 3 4x10 flower areas using close to 5000 watts. 6 1200 watt gravitas would be pulling 7200 watts. That's a big difference when it adds an extra 100 to th light bill not including the electricity to cool the extra 2400 watts.

Fuk that

 

[Heisenbeans]

You should check your assumptions at the door. Speak only about yourself because that's honestly the only thing you know about, that's what's causing these problems for you. First you assume you know fuck all about somebody else, then you assume LEDs are best for everyone.

only thing needs checking is your sensitive ass feelings. Get a life man and stop hanging on to my every word. I'm speaking for my personal experience and dont have nothing to do with me.

I could care less if you grow weed on planet Vulcan. That's your problem not mine.

 

[growingforfun]

This differance

only thing needs checking is your sensitive ass feelings. Get a life man and stop hanging on to my every word. I'm speaking for my personal experience and dont have nothing to do with me.

I could care less if you grow weed on planet Vulcan. That's your problem not mine.

I actually dont have a problem, that's why I use the lights I do. You have a problem and that's why you use the lights you use. Assuming things about others is another of your problems in what is probably a really long list.

 

[xtsho]

I care less about the cost.

If I had to upgrade and spend the same amount every 4 years it would not bother me.

By running cobs I can still pull 4 pounds in a 4x10 all day using only 1600 watts total.
Two double ended gravitas will pull 2400 watts and it adds up at the end of the month.

I can afford to run 8000 watts all day but I dont need that shit on my electric bill so I can still pull the same weight as running 6 gravitas but with the electric usage of 4.

I can see how people in warehouse grows in legal states have 0 need for led cause they could give a shit less about them.

If I was in a legal state with 2200 square feet of floor space I would also run gravitas and give the electric bill to the accountant with pleasure laughing to the bank.

But LED are perfect for the small scale growers trying to keep electricity cost in check and not having to suffer.

I'm running 3 4x10 flower areas using close to 5000 watts. 6 1200 watt gravitas would be pulling 7200 watts. That's a big difference when it adds an extra 100 to th light bill not including the electricity to cool the extra 2400 watts.

Fuk that

"I can see how people in warehouse grows in legal states have 0 need for led cause they could give a shit less about them.

If I was in a legal state with 2200 square feet of floor space I would also run gravitas and give the electric bill to the accountant with pleasure laughing to the bank."

Thanks for being honest.

If you're happy then keep growing your fire.

 

[Heisenbeans]

This differance


I actually dont have a problem, that's why I use the lights I do. You have a problem and that's why you use the lights you use. Assuming things about others is another of your problems in what is probably a really long list.

I never even quoted you so what you getting worked up over. It was statement that's fact.
I have a need for LED and that's all it is to it.
They work for me