The Cunt strikes again. This is unbelievable

[hotrodharley]

Do you think a wall would hurt the situation?
From my view if it stopped a portion of people being smuggled across, and killed or raped in the process it would he worth it.
And its good paying jobs and training for a huge number of people.
I'm also for massive reconstruction of roads.
Theres enough money for both of these projects and I think you can agree with that.

The coyotes (people smugglers) will immediately have ways to breach any obstruction. Moats, walls. Already they charge $4000 to get people past the immigration checkpoints on roads leading away from the border. Already $4K. Throw up a wall and they'll charge even more. The problem lies in those who hire illegals. Period. Despite popular tales they do not qualify for benefits of any sort from government . It's the job opportunities and their kids,education bringing them here. Start charging these people under existing US Code and the word will soon spread that you're going to at least have to hire a lawyer.

Meaning charge those who lure them here with jobs. Not the poor illegal for wanting it. Deport them. They are illegal .

 

[growingforfun]

The coyotes (people smugglers) will immediately have ways to breach any obstruction. Moats, walls. Already they charge $4000 to get people past the immigration checkpoints on roads leading away from the border. Already $4K. Throw up a wall and they'll charge even more. The problem lies in those who hire illegals. Period. Despite popular tales they do not qualify for benefits of any sort from government . It's the job opportunities and their kids,education bringing them here. Start charging these people under existing US Code and the word will soon spread that you're going to at least have to hire a lawyer.

Meaning charge those who lure them here with jobs. Not the poor illegal for wanting it. Deport them. They are illegal .

Yea I pretty much agree with that. I think it would put a good number out of business though for having that extra hurdle. And costing more is more motivation to do it the right way.
If we got the wall agreed on we could start the debate on those easier paths to citizenship via the embassies.
Get some social workers down there coaching people one the best ways to get work visas etc.
I think it would be a easy sell to the American public to trade citizenship for taxes. A very easy sell.
Here's a sample line.
"There are 134927 per year (made up number) illegals in America right now, with our new plan, we will offer immediate citizenship to anyone who applies and passes a background check who agrees to stay and work in America for at least 4 years. This will generate 384858529$ in taxes (made up number) for our schools and new space programs (made up causes) bla bla bla political rambling..

Haha I can practically hear the speeches already... everyone wants something like that, Republican, dem, independant, easy sell I'd bet. Pretty sure I've heard plans like this from both sides but they are fighting over who gets to implement it.

 

[hotrodharley]

Yea I pretty much agree with that. I think it would put a good number out of business though for having that extra hurdle. And costing more is more motivation to do it the right way.
If we got the wall agreed on we could start the debate on those easier paths to citizenship via the embassies.
Get some social workers down there coaching people one the best ways to get work visas etc.
I think it would be a easy sell to the American public to trade citizenship for taxes. A very easy sell.
Here's a sample line.
"There are 134927 per year (made up number) illegals in America right now, with our new plan, we will offer immediate citizenship to anyone who applies and passes a background check who agrees to stay and work in America for at least 4 years. This will generate 384858529$ in taxes (made up number) for our schools and new space programs (made up causes) bla bla bla political rambling..

Haha I can practically hear the speeches already... everyone wants something like that, Republican, dem, independant, easy sell I'd bet. Pretty sure I've heard plans like this from both sides but they are fighting over who gets to implement it.

If we gave foreign aid to Mexico anywhere near the levels we do Israel and treated them like a neighbor with needs they would stay in Mexico . Because that's where most dream of returning.

 

[growingforfun]

If we have foreign aid to Mexico anywhere near the levels we do Israel and treated them like a neighbor with needs they would stay in Mexico . Because that's where most dream of returning.

That's a statement I'm 110% in agreement with.

 

[growingforfun]

I'm not really a fan of any of our participation in the middle east. Always boggled my mind we would pour so much effort into that just to piss off Russia and China and continue the struggle. It's not just a oil thing, theres plenty of that closer. Yes I understand the big money from the MIC and all that... bla bla bla..

Just like you say, we could easily put those same dollars to our friends to the south an have a much better time of things for the general public.
Fuck us though am I right? Lol

 

[hotrodharley]

I'm not really a fan of any of our participation in the middle east. Always boggled my mind we would pour so much effort into that just to piss off Russia and China and continue the struggle. It's not just a oil thing, theres plenty of that closer. Yes I understand the big money from the MIC and all that... bla bla bla..

Just like you say, we could easily put those same dollars to our friends to the south an have a much better time of things for the general public.
Fuck us though am I right? Lol

Actually it is the oil. Control of it. US policy has hinged on capitalism for years and years."

General Smedley Butler USMC

"War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.



I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.


I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.


There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its "finger men" to point out enemies, its "muscle men" to destroy enemies, its "brain men" to plan war preparations, and a "Big Boss" Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism.


It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.


I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.


I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.


During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."

General Butler was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor twice while alive.

 

[hotrodharley]

General Butler died in 1941. This is a racket we're watching.

 

[growingforfun]

Actually it is the oil. Control of it. US policy has hinged on capitalism for years and years."

General Smedley Butler USMC

"War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.



I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.


I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.


There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its "finger men" to point out enemies, its "muscle men" to destroy enemies, its "brain men" to plan war preparations, and a "Big Boss" Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism.


It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.


I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.


I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.


During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."

General Butler was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor twice while alive.

I agree with that. I agree we are mostly there for the oil. And I agree we are there for CONTROL.
Theres plenty of oil closer though.
I agree we should focus purely on our coastline. I really wanted to enlist until even our coastguard was being shipped out (wtf right) I had a lot of friends leave and come back really fucked up. Hard to stay sane when your job is to kill kids before they kill you. Had a friend hang himself a few years back.

 

[hotrodharley]

I agree with that. I agree we are mostly there for the oil. And I agree we are there for CONTROL.
Theres plenty of oil closer though.
I agree we should focus purely on our coastline. I really wanted to enlist until even our coastguard was being shipped out (wtf right) I had a lot of friends leave and come back really fucked up. Hard to stay sane when your job is to kill kids before they kill you. Had a friend hang himself a few years back.

I'm almost 70. Never needed the VA until recently and the bureaucracy is insane. I was in Texas visiting and went to the VA clinic at WBAMC there. In short I left without being seen and kind of understanding what drove that kook to kill that psychologist there a few months before. Not condoning but feeling empathetic.

Now we have a Congress dedicated to funding this insane military behemoth and virtually no support for the inevitable casualties in the future. It's unconscionable. And if we have a huge military with lots of toys it's going to be used somewhere.

 

[growingforfun]

I'm almost 70. Never needed the VA until recently and the bureaucracy is insane. I was in Texas visiting and went to the VA clinic at WBAMC there. In short I left without being seen and kind of understanding what drove that kook to kill that psychologist there a few months before. Not condoning but feeling empathetic.

Now we have a Congress dedicated to funding this insane military behemoth and virtually no support for the inevitable casualties in the future. It's unconscionable. And if we have a huge military with lots of toys it's going to be used somewhere.

Good friend of mine is 77 an ex navy. Friend who killed himself would be 32 this year. I think the older friend had a easier time, he speaks fondly of his career an jokes about the coke being loaded up. I guess it's more fun to transport cocaine than heroine.
Somalia was utter hell from everything I heard. That's where the kids were mostly. I know theres plenty of child suicide bombers out in the middle east also... the whole world is kinda fucked up. Very thankful I decided to goto college instead.

 

[hotrodharley]

Good friend of mine is 77 an ex navy. Friend who killed himself would be 32 this year. I think the older friend had a easier time, he speaks fondly of his career an jokes about the coke being loaded up. I guess it's more fun to transport cocaine than heroine.
Somalia was utter hell from everything I heard. That's where the kids were mostly. I know theres plenty of child suicide bombers out in the middle east also... the whole world is kinda fucked up. Very thankful I decided to goto college instead.

This country has not been threatened in any real way since WWII ended. Even that was over money with Germany and oil in southeast Asia for the Japanese. We watched as the Japanese pillaged China. We didn't give a shit. Watched the Germans take over Europe and bomb the piss out of the English. Nope our nationalist right wing wanted nothing to do with any country or any of their problems. We know it from there.

We are the biggest threat to peace in the world. There will always be regional conflicts. It's human nature. But like Smedley said we operate everywhere.

 

[hotrodharley]

And this White Widow is killer. I hated White Widow and got stuck with seeds in a trade. This stuff is 100% lemon. Like lemon candy and vanilla aftertaste. Not like any Widow I've had before. Potent too.

 

[growingforfun]

And this White Widow is killer. I hated White Widow and got stuck with seeds in a trade. This stuff is 100% lemon. Like lemon candy and vanilla aftertaste. Not like any Widow I've had before. Potent too.

Seems like a hit or a miss depending on the breeder.
Pretty sure the original is amazing, and then they crossed it with a lot of trash.
My first grow was ministry of cannabis white widow and those nugs were so sticky you had to peal the buds apart. Shit would stick to a window no lie.

 

[hotrodharley]

Seems like a hit or a miss depending on the breeder.
Pretty sure the original is amazing, and then they crossed it with a lot of trash.
My first grow was ministry of cannabis white widow and those nugs were so sticky you had to peal the buds apart. Shit would stick to a window no lie.

Just dried and jarred a Bowser 29. Or Orange Creme Soda. From 3Beans Genetics in Wasilla . Very tasty. Orange for sure but the Widow tastes like Creme with the vanilla. Odd to chop 2 new strains with one lemon and one orange .

 

[growingforfun]

Just dried and jarred a Bowser 29. Or Orange Creme Soda. From 3Beans Genetics in Wasilla . Very tasty. Orange for sure but the Widow tastes like Creme with the vanilla. Odd to chop 2 new strains with one lemon and one orange .

I always favor citrus strains. Agent orange, lime phenos of kushes lemons, all that is my go to. I've got berries going right now. 2 diff purple strains.

 

[hotrodharley]

On this wall though. You've seen a lot iuf pics of tunnels dug from one side to the other. Right?

Bud, it took engineers to do that. To just line it up! To get it excavated and shored up, lights installed and trolley rails laid. That's exactly what will happen any number of places along that border. Especially from around Sierra Blanca TX all the way to the Gulf. Totally unobserved except satellite if there's a wall. Think those guys smuggle a lot in a gunny sack? Wait until they get trolleys like running to Otay Mesa in California.

 

[hotrodharley]

We shit bricks when Reagan granted amnesty. We predicted it would worsen the situation as more people would cross to get established so when the next amnesty came. And by golly guess what?

I taught at a medical magnet school in El Paso. It was really pissing to be paying $3800 a year property tax and watching cars with Mexican plates dropping their kids off at our schools. The kids,were like any other kids except going to school on our dime. They would drive across from Juarez every day.

Later I was an OR nurse at the Level I trauma center there. Trauma team alert and reps from each department respond. ER radio "Medic 8 en route ETA 1 minute. Male, gunshot wounds to . . ".

From the international bridge that we could see from the second floor on up. Dumped at the line. In Mexico.

 

[Lucky Luke]

Well said Hotrod. I agree with nearly everything you said, nice quote by the General to.
Good to see a discussion not yet turn argumentative.

Money spent on infrastructure is always money well spent. The money for the wall could be either well spent elsewhere or help the national debt.
If America stopped projecting its power and starting wars it could concentrate on rejuvenating Mexico and have a thriving manufacturing, tourism and rural partner. America has become very militant. The military is so large that it touches everyone over their in some way. Just don't see that here in Australia, at least not in the sense of employment.

 

[Sour Wreck]

Your such a troll it's actually got me hoping for a second term just to see you an others lose their minds. That's what a disservice you are to your cause

if you would wish for a second term to piss off buck you need your ass whipped.

you are a sorry fucking excuse for a human being, you low life !!!!!!

 

[growingforfun]

On this wall though. You've seen a lot iuf pics of tunnels dug from one side to the other. Right?

Bud, it took engineers to do that. To just line it up! To get it excavated and shored up, lights installed and trolley rails laid. That's exactly what will happen any number of places along that border. Especially from around Sierra Blanca TX all the way to the Gulf. Totally unobserved except satellite if there's a wall. Think those guys smuggle a lot in a gunny sack? Wait until they get trolleys like running to Otay Mesa in California.

Your not wrong. I also never disputed the tunnels or the truckloads, because I've heard my share of stories just like everyone else.

Just seems like something good to do to me. Kinda like going to the moon was "almost" pointless. Sure we learned a lot, but it was just a way to do something.
I'm all for ramping up construction.
I totally understand the wall wont keep drugs outta america. Hell I know our Gov brings in a load too. My one friend saw cocaine loaded on the aircraft carrier he was on just like my younger friend saw the heroin loaded up.
Just seems like theres worse things to do than try, even if it's a token gesture. The cost to build the wall is trivial imo compared to the benifit of the jobs it would provide an money it would put into the communities. Then hopefully we could keep up the momentum and keep building up more important infrastructure we desperately need. Half of America is run the fuck down ya know?