$2.00 per Gram coming soon

[Roger A. Shrubber]

i really do think anyone bailing out of the country because Trump won the electoral college vote, should never be allowed back into the country. ever. you want to be an American? then you take the bad with the good, and do what you can to improve the situation. anyone who bails out of a bad situation, is a fucking quitter, and i have zero respect for any of them. ZERO.
one shitty president isn't going to be the end of this country, we've had shitty presidents before, and it didn't lead to the dissolution of the country.
and in reality, trump isn't the real enemy. Big Business is the enemy. all the bad shit that the government is doing is for big business...oil wars are for oil companies....the government allows big pharma to sit on cures because you can only charge someone for a cure once, while you can charge them every month for "treatment"....do i really need to make a huge list?

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Okay, let's say $35/lb to be safe. Honestly, give me 4 acres of cover (or 5 acres to be extra safe), a tarping system for different greenhouse sections (preferably auto-tarping), a tractor, a tiller, a lime spreader, an electrostatic sprayer, irrigation, a good sized climate controlled building for drying, processing and storage, a handful of Greenbroz trimming machines and about 50-65 guys making decent pay and I could kill it at $25/lb ($35/lb to be safe). And it would be good weed, not B grade. And if I could get a retail store or get a partner with a retail store it would be even better.

How much do you think outdoor and greenhouse is going to go for wholesale when top-shelf indoor is already going for $350/lb in the legal market? Even if you take extra special care of it. Do you think retailers are going to buy your extra special cared for weed for $200/lb when it's maybe a notch better than mine (maybe not?) when they could buy mine for $35/lb? Or get some top-shelf indoor for less than $350/lb (I doubt the market has bottomed out yet so prices will most likely continue to drop). Especially when there's 1000's of acres of greenhouse and outdoor being produced when this whole sector goes into full swing. On an agricultural scale it's not going to take a lot of acres to supply this whole country. Maybe 100,000 (at least that's what some experts estimate). That's a drop in the bucket as far as ag is concerned. Wheat takes up 50-60 million acres in the US. Corn takes up almost 14 million acres. It's not going to take many multi-acre farms to supply this country and it's all going to come down to who can produce the best for the cheapest and on a larger scale you don't need to make a lot per pound, you just need to produce a lot of pounds. That's how all other ag crops work. I'm curious what you think your lbs will go for.

a family can eat a pound of beans in one meal, they can eat 2 or 3 pounds of potatoes at one meal....they ain't gonna smoke a pound of weed per meal....you got some hardcore smokers, and some people who like to make extracts, but your average smoker would be hitting it hard to go through an oz a week, so who are you selling all these 35 dollar pounds to?

what will happen is that people will just quit growing it for a while. if they can't make any money at it, why try? they'll grow for themselves, and everyone else can smoke government bullshit pesticide weed for a while, then when they get sick of it, and sick from it, they'll start looking for their old sources again....and we'll still be here, and we'll be well aware of what they're paying at the shops.....

 

[too larry]

. . . . . . . . . . . .what will happen is that people will just quit growing it for a while. if they can't make any money at it, why try? they'll grow for themselves, and everyone else can smoke government bullshit pesticide weed for a while, then when they get sick of it, and sick from it, they'll start looking for their old sources again....and we'll still be here, and we'll be well aware of what they're paying at the shops.....

Jimmy had a pretty good take on a similar situation.

 

[OldMedUser]

In 25 years there will be an international market for weed. We will be exporting cheap weed all over the world.

a couple of the LPs in Canada are already supplying foreign markets. Israel for one. I think that's why they are building such huge facilities plus they are counting on the gov't keeping the retail prices artificially high like they plan now. The BM will still be busy as long as legal pot still sells for prohibition prices but that can't last forever.

Curious to see how heavy handed they get about enforcing the new laws once passed. Thursday's the big senate vote. Then we'll know what proposed rules made it to law.

 

[rikdabrick]

Thats wild. Its almost 9000.00 a pound for legal here in California at the stores unless you go to a medical shop. Fuck the clones are now 28.00 in those same shops that were once 12.00.
If you can do us a solid and show us a pic of your friends highest testing indoor crop top shelf. What strain? Have you guys coveted any elite genetics over the years?

I'm sure you know that multiplying the per gram price at a legal shop doesn't give you the wholesale pound price. The legal wholesale pound prices are still pretty good, but the price is already dropping from a year ago and if you read my previous post than you'd know that a big reason for the inflated wholesale prices are because there aren't that many licensed growers still. Less than 1% of Cali's growers are licensed at the moment. What do you think wholesale prices are going to look like when there's 50 times the amount of licensed growers and 10-20 times more rec shops? You can think this is some magical cash crop that will always hold value even if a million acres of it gets planted. You have the right to think what you want. We can review this thread in 5-10 years and you can tell me how wrong I was. On the shorter term, I'll guess the top-shelf greenhouse on the black market is going to go for $500/lb in Cali this year, which is a pretty big drop from two years ago. Let me know how far off my estimate is come October.

And all of this is for the more liberal states where they're letting anybody play if they have the money. The conservative states that only let good ole boys and big corporations play won't drop as much as fast, but I think it will eventually get low enough that it won't be a worthwhile crop for small time growers.

 

[thumper60]

Thats wild. Its almost 9000.00 a pound for legal here in California at the stores unless you go to a medical shop. Fuck the clones are now 28.00 in those same shops that were once 12.00.
If you can do us a solid and show us a pic of your friends highest testing indoor crop top shelf. What strain? Have you guys coveted any elite genetics over the years?

I here ya total bs the legal market here is really helping the bm with the pricing iam half the price of clubs an very happy

 

[rikdabrick]

a family can eat a pound of beans in one meal, they can eat 2 or 3 pounds of potatoes at one meal....they ain't gonna smoke a pound of weed per meal....you got some hardcore smokers, and some people who like to make extracts, but your average smoker would be hitting it hard to go through an oz a week, so who are you selling all these 35 dollar pounds to?

what will happen is that people will just quit growing it for a while. if they can't make any money at it, why try? they'll grow for themselves, and everyone else can smoke government bullshit pesticide weed for a while, then when they get sick of it, and sick from it, they'll start looking for their old sources again....and we'll still be here, and we'll be well aware of what they're paying at the shops.....

I was talking about selling lbs on the legal market to licensed shops. Not bros out the back door. And if most states keep in line with Oregon, Colorado, Washington, etc. then the legal weed will all be tested for pesticides, fungicides, fungus, etc. It's generally going to be cleaner than most black market weed or at least not any dirtier.

 

[too larry]

I was talking about selling lbs on the legal market to licensed shops. Not bros out the back door. And if most states keep in line with Oregon, Colorado, Washington, etc. then the legal weed will all be tested for pesticides, fungicides, fungus, etc. It's generally going to be cleaner than most black market weed or at least not any dirtier.

Food safety is one thing the government does a pretty good job of. I know when I get some bought weed, my head will stop up on the first hit. You do wonder just what all they used in the growing.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

I was talking about selling lbs on the legal market to licensed shops. Not bros out the back door. And if most states keep in line with Oregon, Colorado, Washington, etc. then the legal weed will all be tested for pesticides, fungicides, fungus, etc. It's generally going to be cleaner than most black market weed or at least not any dirtier.

know what happens when a thousand acre, or ten thousand acre farm is found to have pesticides present at too high a level? they pay a fine that's maybe 2 or 3 % of what they get for the crop, they sell it anyway, and the pesticide shit still gets consumed. fines that sound crippling to us are a drop in the bucket to mega farms. they may rarely "seize" some contaminated materials, and make a show of destroying it, but those people aren't losing money.

 

[ttystikk]

You guys must have some maintenance free weed that us hicks don't know about yet. Who would grow and trim a lb of weed for $25? This miracle weed must grow from seeds you throw on the ground and grows pretty buds that don't need to be trimmed. I can't wait until that shit gets to my neck of the woods. I'm tired of lugging water and balancing nutes and watching triches and gently handling those delicate flowers. Bring on the lazy mans maintenance free miracle weed.

Herbs. That's the future of cannabis. The rest of the price is marketing hype and regulatory costs.

 

[Lucky Luke]

Short term to medium term money will be in designing, producing and selling the specialised agricultural and industrial process that come with producing any large crop.

 

[Observe & Report]

The seed market is going to collapse. Right now it's a bonanza for illegal states but as those switch over and the remaining growers can buy clones only a handful of commercial breeders will survive. On the plus side legalization should bring lots of awesome online seed trading for headstash growers. "Remember when people paid $100-200 a pack?"

 

[reallybigjesusfreak]

The seed market is going to collapse. Right now it's a bonanza for illegal states but as those switch over and the remaining growers can buy clones only a handful of commercial breeders will survive. On the plus side legalization should bring lots of awesome online seed trading for headstash growers. "Remember when people paid $100-200 a pack?"

I dont think i'd ever go to a shop and buy clones, because I dont think a shop would ever sell you as good as a cut as you can find in seed. Why would they give up their best?

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Herbs. That's the future of cannabis. The rest of the price is marketing hype and regulatory costs.

the price was inflated for quite a while. when i started buying it,( around 1979 ) if you didn't know anybody, you paid 15-20 bucks for a 3 finger bag, that would mostly be stems and crap, once you got to know a few people, you could usually find brick weed that was a little better for about the same price.
then one day the price was just 25 bucks. no real reason, that's just what it is now. ok....i guess...
then it went to thirty, forty, fifty....WTF? why? are the drug dogs carrying grenades now? are they shooting you on sight?
over a period of about 4 years the price went from 15 - 20, to 50.......then stayed there for quite a while.
there weren't really grades earlier, either. unless it was a lot better it was the same price, they would just "be out" of the good shit till they sold the brick weed.
then they broke it up into schwag, mids, and dank.....except most people will try to sell you mids and claim it's dank.
i don't like it, but i know people buy 1/4s from me for 50 bucks and turn around and sell them for 100....but i can't sleep at night if i charge that much.
when it gets down to where i can't get 25 bucks for a good quarter (mine are usually at least .5 over) then i'll just grow for myself, and people can smoke 10 buck a bag shit weed. they'll market it like tobacco, they'll flavor it, fill it full of preservatives, filter it....and idiots will buy it....till they try my weed....

 

[Lucky Luke]

The seed market is going to collapse. Right now it's a bonanza for illegal states but as those switch over and the remaining growers can buy clones only a handful of commercial breeders will survive. On the plus side legalization should bring lots of awesome online seed trading for headstash growers. "Remember when people paid $100-200 a pack?"

rest of the world still needs seeds, I don't see the price changing to much on what are normally sold out runs. Price of less popular or less sought after lines may get a little cheaper depending on demand but we are already seeing that with the reverse auctions and more breeders breeding.
A lot of the cost of seeds is due to resends due to customs seizures.

 

[Lucky Luke]

, you paid 15-20 bucks for a 3 finger bag, that would mostly be stems and crap, once you got to know a few people, you could usually find brick weed that was a little better for about the same price.
then one day the price was just 25 bucks. no real reason, that's just what it is now. ok....i guess...
then it went to thirty, forty, fifty....WTF? why? ...

inflation.

 

[Frank Nitty]

they keep an eye open for out of towners, especially ones buying pounds of weed. you take that one step across the border of that legal state and they'll be on your ass so fast it won't have time to be funny

They will Boston George your ass!!!

 

[Frank Nitty]

inflation.

They started putting extravagant names on the weed...

 

[Frank Nitty]

I believe it. Moving to it is the suckers bet now, i think. My plan (if i even want to fuck with legal) is to wait for it to come to me and be goddamn ready to strike when it does. I think thats the best bet, unless the state sets it up so only big business can afford to play.

Thats where the bull comes into the game...

 

[Lucky Luke]

They started putting extravagant names on the weed...

Growers and traffickers and dealers have always done that. Its marketing 101.

You cannot expect anyone in any job to earn the same as they did 5 or 10 years ago.