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travisw

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But what changed?

They weren’t throwing rocks a few months ago..hmmmmm wonder what it was?

Any ideas?
They weren't throwing rocks a few months ago?


Stone-throwing at a riot in Bil'in.Jan 2011




Feb 17, 2015 - Adele Biton, 4, of Yakir, who suffered traumatic brain damage when the car driven by her mother was struck by a barrage of stones on March 14, 2013, died of respiratory complications.

Jewish Man Dies as Rocks Pelt His Car in East Jerusalem
By Diaa Hadid

Sept. 14, 2015
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/15/world/middleeast/israel-west-bank-violence.html

Shin Bet: 2 Palestinians Admit Throwing Rocks That Killed Israeli Asher Palmer and Infant Son
The two were killed last month near Kiryat Arba after their car was hit with rocks and flipped over; 3 other Palestinians suspected of stealing Palmer's gun after crash.

Anshel Pfeffer and Chaim Levinson Oct 06, 2011 9:53 PM
https://www.haaretz.com/1.5187970

They've thrown rocks for hundreds of years, why lie?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_stone-throwing
 

socalcoolmx

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Rocks against M-16's and sniper rifles

I'm definitely siding with the ones with the rocks they are fighting for a just cause.They want their country back that was stolen from them.
The soldiers (terrorist because that's what they really are) with M-16 are pussies and any of them that shoot unarmed palestinians should be locked up for life
 

Chunky Stool

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Rocks against M-16's and sniper rifles

I'm definitely siding with the ones with the rocks they are fighting for a just cause.They want their country back that was stolen from them.
The soldiers (terrorist because that's what they really are) with M-16 are pussies and any of them that shoot unarmed palestinians should be locked up for life
Did you say "terrorist"?
LOL
These are the same idiots who elected Hamas! :dunce:
 

socalcoolmx

Well-Known Member
Did you say "terrorist"?
LOL
These are the same idiots who elected Hamas! :dunce:
Israel helped create Hamas to divide the palestinians

"Many in the West Bank believe that Israel actively supports Hamas, in its effort to split the Palestinian nation and weaken the Intifada", one of the secret leaked documents, from September 23, 1988 reads. "Shop owners in Jerusalem and Nablus claim that while PLO members are secretly distributing leaflets for fear of the Israeli security forces, Hamas distributes its leaflets openly".

"Moreover", the American government wrote on the document, "In spite of the many arrests, only a small number of Hamas leaders have been arrested. We believe that not only does Israel turn a blind eye on Hamas activity, but even supports it".

"When the Intifada began official sources in Israel said that Hamas "serves as a useful counter-force for the secular organizations loyal to PLO", the revealed documents claim. A number of PLO activists even claimed that Israel used Hamas for this purpose.
 

Chunky Stool

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Israel helped create Hamas to divide the palestinians

"Many in the West Bank believe that Israel actively supports Hamas, in its effort to split the Palestinian nation and weaken the Intifada", one of the secret leaked documents, from September 23, 1988 reads. "Shop owners in Jerusalem and Nablus claim that while PLO members are secretly distributing leaflets for fear of the Israeli security forces, Hamas distributes its leaflets openly".

"Moreover", the American government wrote on the document, "In spite of the many arrests, only a small number of Hamas leaders have been arrested. We believe that not only does Israel turn a blind eye on Hamas activity, but even supports it".

"When the Intifada began official sources in Israel said that Hamas "serves as a useful counter-force for the secular organizations loyal to PLO", the revealed documents claim. A number of PLO activists even claimed that Israel used Hamas for this purpose.
Israel created Hamas?
LOL x 2

You provided quotes without a source.

There are also quotes within your quotes, which makes them even more suspicious.
You aren't very good at this... :dunce::cuss::dunce:
 

socalcoolmx

Well-Known Member
Israel created Hamas?
LOL x 2

You provided quotes without a source.

There are also quotes within your quotes, which makes them even more suspicious.
You aren't very good at this... :dunce::cuss::dunce:
Just don't have a lot of time right now, didn't say created but maybe helped it along originally to divide the plo

I think it is very possible that back in 1980's Israel allowed hamas to grow and gain power.
 

Chunky Stool

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Just don't have a lot of time right now, didn't say created but maybe helped it along originally to divide the plo

I think it is very possible that back in 1980's Israel allowed hamas to grow and gain power.
It's also possible that there are pink elephants on pluto. :roll:

You really need evidence.
Without it, your argument is just another conspiracy theory. :eyesmoke:
 

socalcoolmx

Well-Known Member
It's also possible that there are pink elephants on pluto. :roll:

You really need evidence.
Without it, your argument is just another conspiracy theory. :eyesmoke:
you can read full article wall street journal



How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas


By
Andrew Higgins
Updated Jan. 24, 2009 12:01 a.m. ET


Moshav Tekuma, Israel

Surveying the wreckage of a neighbor's bungalow hit by a Palestinian rocket, retired Israeli official Avner Cohen traces the missile's trajectory back to an "enormous, stupid mistake" made 30 years ago.

"Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel's creation," says Mr. Cohen, a Tunisian-born Jew who worked in Gaza for more than two decades. Responsible for religious affairs in the region until 1994, Mr. Cohen watched the Islamist movement take shape, muscle aside secular Palestinian rivals and then morph into what is today Hamas, a militant group that is sworn to Israel's destruction.

Instead of trying to curb Gaza's Islamists from the outset, says Mr. Cohen, Israel for years tolerated and, in some cases, encouraged them as a counterweight to the secular nationalists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and its dominant faction, Yasser Arafat's Fatah. Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas. Sheikh Yassin continues to inspire militants today; during the recent war in Gaza, Hamas fighters confronted Israeli troops with "Yassins," primitive rocket-propelled grenades named in honor of the cleric.


Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, the founder of Hamas. ABID KATIB/GETTY IMAGES
Last Saturday, after 22 days of war, Israel announced a halt to the offensive. The assault was aimed at stopping Hamas rockets from falling on Israel. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert hailed a "determined and successful military operation." More than 1,200 Palestinians had died. Thirteen Israelis were also killed.

Hamas responded the next day by lobbing five rockets towards the Israeli town of Sderot, a few miles down the road from Moshav Tekuma, the farming village where Mr. Cohen lives. Hamas then announced its own cease-fire.

Since then, Hamas leaders have emerged from hiding and reasserted their control over Gaza. Egyptian-mediated talks aimed at a more durable truce are expected to start this weekend. President Barack Obama said this week that lasting calm "requires more than a long cease-fire" and depends on Israel and a future Palestinian state "living side by side in peace and security."

A look at Israel's decades-long dealings with Palestinian radicals -- including some little-known attempts to cooperate with the Islamists -- reveals a catalog of unintended and often perilous consequences. Time and again, Israel's efforts to find a pliant Palestinian partner that is both credible with Palestinians and willing to eschew violence, have backfired. Would-be partners have turned into foes or lost the support of their people.

Israel's experience echoes that of the U.S., which, during the Cold War, looked to Islamists as a useful ally against communism. Anti-Soviet forces backed by America after Moscow's 1979 invasion of Afghanistan later mutated into al Qaeda.

In its recent war in Gaza, Israel didn't set the destruction of Hamas as its goal. It limited its stated objectives to halting the Islamists' rocket fire and battering their overall military capacity. At the start of the Israeli operation in December, Defense Minister Ehud Barak told parliament that the goal was "to deal Hamas a severe blow, a blow that will cause it to stop its hostile actions from Gaza at Israeli citizens and soldiers."

Walking back to his house from the rubble of his neighbor's home, Mr. Cohen, the former religious affairs official in Gaza, curses Hamas and also what he sees as missteps that allowed Islamists to put down deep roots in Gaza.

He recalls a 1970s meeting with a traditional Islamic cleric who wanted Israel to stop cooperating with the Muslim Brotherhood followers of Sheikh Yassin: "He told me: 'You are going to have big regrets in 20 or 30 years.' He was right."
 

UncleBuck

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The Israelis have elected Benjamin Netanyahu 4 times, a person that has said there will never be a State of Palestine under his watch.
Who the fuck is the terrorist?
hamas. they want to wipe all jews off the face of the earth

netanyahu is just a right wing douche. no dreams of genocide though
 

UncleBuck

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Can you blame them, seeing as since 1948 that's all the Jews have been trying to do to them?
no, jews have not been trying to wipe palestinians off the face of the earth

yes, i can blame palestinians for electing terrorists that literally want to kill all jews on earth

this is not hard
 

Fogdog

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That's a well know fact, read more.
How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas


By
Andrew Higgins
Updated Jan. 24, 2009 12:01 a.m. ET


Moshav Tekuma, Israel

Surveying the wreckage of a neighbor's bungalow hit by a Palestinian rocket, retired Israeli official Avner Cohen traces the missile's trajectory back to an "enormous, stupid mistake" made 30 years ago.

"Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel's creation," says Mr. Cohen, a Tunisian-born Jew who worked in Gaza for more than two decades. Responsible for religious affairs in the region until 1994, Mr. Cohen watched the Islamist movement take shape, muscle aside secular Palestinian rivals and then morph into what is today Hamas, a militant group that is sworn to Israel's destruction.
They didn't "create" Hamas. The most one can say is that Israel looked the other way during the developmental days of Hamas because it saw the ascendant organization weakening the PLO. There is a long history of international powers using the internal politics of an opponent to their advantage.

The basic issues that "created" first the PLO and later, Hamas, is that Palestinians are still living in refugee camps, Israel is "settling" areas that do not belong to them and Israel is a daily menace and threat to invade Palelestinian territory. On the other hand, Palestinians have resisted any peace talks with Israel until now. It's a cluster fuck with both Hamas and Netanyahu's party giving each other political legitimacy.

To say it's all one side or the other's fault is false. That said, Israel is the more powerful side in the dispute and they act as if Palestinians are about to invade Israel. They can afford to make concessions in order to get the peace talks rolling and are clearly not in the mood to do so.

I want the US to stop backing Israel but then again, not my pay grade.
 
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