Blacks are Responsible for More Than 50% of All Homicides...

[907cannabis]

Very common tactic to use misleading graphics to guide people toward a desired conclusion.

One could ask regarding the bot's programmer's main thesis -- why would skin melanin cause violence? There is no reason given why the numbers line up this way, they are presented in a scientific chart in a way that is misleading. Correlation does not mean causation. What causes would be behind this relatively artificial sort according to skin color?

Put another way, what physical, social or biological evidence help confirm that there is a real source of violence in the US due to the color of a person's skin. There is none. Just the graph. In an earlier post, I showed how the number of lemons imported into the US correlated to divorce. There are weird, meaningless and arbitrary correlations to be found everywhere. Not that there isn't something driving the violence in segregated communities in the US but skin color has no merit as a major cause.

A different hypothesis is that stress due to low economic status and the corrosive effects of racism both historical and current are the root cause. There is plenty of evidence that economic stress and low social mobility (aka racism) are behind violence in other groups that do not have a higher amount of melanin in the skin.

For example this from the World Bank:

INEQUALITY AND VIOLENT CRIME
We investigate the robustness and causality of the link between income inequality and violent crime across countries. First, we study the correlation between the Gini index and homicide and robbery rates within and between countries. Second, we examine the partial correlation by considering other crime determinants. Third, we control for the endogeneity of inequality by isolating its exogenous impact on these crime rates. Fourth, we control for measurement error in crime rates by modeling it as both unobserved country effects and random noise. Finally, we examine the robustness of this partial correlation to alternative measures of inequality. The panel data consist of nonoverlapping 5-year averages for 39 countries during 1965–95 for homicides and 37 countries during 1970–94 for robberies. Crime rates and inequality are positively correlated within countries and, particularly, between countries, and this correlation reflects causation from inequality to crime rates, even after controlling for other crime determinants.

http://siteresources.worldbank.org/DEC/Resources/Crime&Inequality.pdf

This is what I'm getting at though, we don't ignore the facts either way. Some may be misleading but still have valid information. They need to be looked at with a neutral opinion and a deep understanding that correlation doesn't equal causation.

 

[Fogdog]

Melanin doesn't, but skin color is genetic and genes reflect imprinted culture behaviors.


Being black doesn't make you more likely to commit a crime, being born in a crime filled community might though.

FIFY

The second reference to black was unnecessary.

 

[UncleBuck]

Melanin doesn't, but skin color is genetic and genes reflect imprinted culture behaviors.

ok, so explain the crime gene then smarty

 

[Fogdog]

This is what I'm getting at though, we don't ignore the facts either way. Some may be misleading but still have valid information. They need to be looked at with a neutral opinion and a deep understanding that correlation doesn't equal causation.

Yeah. What you are expressing is skepticism which is healthy questioning of why things are the way they are. What racism or other strong unfounded beliefs do is cause the afflicted person to stop when they find information that confirms the belief.

What you say is "that's interesting, I wonder why that is so?" The answer has nothing to do with skin color and everything to do with other variables. You then go on to try to understand why that is so and so on. This is how practically all problems are solved and progress is made..

What the racist does is say: "see, it told you so". I ask what useful conclusion comes from this? The problem is never solved because the conclusion is false.

 

[Fogdog]

ok, so explain the crime gene then smarty

I don't think he meant it that way.

edit, in retrospect he very much did. My apologies @UncleBuck

 

[907cannabis]

FIFY

The second reference to black was unnecessary.

It was because it was referencing the numbers that I was referring too.

But you are correct, being born in a crime filled community raises the chances doesn't it?

Then when you force a bunch of black people into those communities you get fucked up stats correct?

 

[907cannabis]

MERICA! Lol sorry

 

[907cannabis]

By keeping black people poor and separating the rich and the poor we now have extremely fucked up crime stats that make the masses even more racist or prejudice, it's this type of corruption that the right wing is capable of that is ruining our country and our people.

 

[907cannabis]

Government introduces drugs and suppresses black people from getting good jobs and benefits, this forces people to steal for food and when you get hooked on drugs it helps keep you poor. MERICA!

Remember when they told us that marijuana made black men rape white women?

I see what's going on here.

 

[Chunky Stool]

I don't think he meant it that way.

Applying Occam's razor could easily filter out 90% of this thread.

 

[907cannabis]

I just question shit a lot, I understand even fact is only fact until it's proven wrong.

I have met racists and humanists of all colors, the most racist people I've seen in my life were white for sure but I've seen it everywhere. The worst racism ever directed toward me was from a Native American, my closest sister is half native of the same tribe and is nothing like this, we get along great. She was raised away from her tribe.

Maybe one day we will all be a kind of tan color and we won't have any guns lol. This would be a long time from now I'm sure but it's a theory.

 

[907cannabis]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886912000840

There are people trying to prove that it is indeed skin color, don't hate me for posting this link just look at it.

We all have the power to be good people yes but what if there was something scientific to this shit, what if on a certain scale black men in general produce more brain chemicals that invoke aggression and violence.

If science says it happens in the wild, are we exempt from this or is this just another example of people messing with data to benefit or slander another group of people.

 

[907cannabis]

I only looked for this cause I was asked to, I wasn't trying to prove anything, I just thought it was weird I found this.

 

[UncleBuck]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886912000840

There are people trying to prove that it is indeed skin color, don't hate me for posting this link just look at it.

We all have the power to be good people yes but what if there was something scientific to this shit, what if on a certain scale black men in general produce more brain chemicals that invoke aggression and violence.

If science says it happens in the wild, are we exempt from this or is this just another example of people messing with data to benefit or slander another group of people.

holy fucking shit.

are you so stupid that you are citing infamous neo-nazi, eugenicist, and white supremacist phillipe rushton?

goddamn.

some people just are not very btight.

 

[Fogdog]

I only looked for this cause I was asked to, I wasn't trying to prove anything, I just thought it was weird I found this.

Wow, just, wow

"people with dark skin color are more aggressive and violent like lions with dark manes." Just look at that comparison.

That article contained sections extracted from other articles. It wasn't a scientific study at all.




What leads to violence is complex. People tend to look for simple. So, skin color.

https://www.heartlandalliance.org/povertyreport/wp-content/uploads/sites/26/2017/03/FINAL_PR17_3_14.pdf

 

[LEDandCoffee]

Lol, so this is common with every political thread huh. Dumb and dumber arguing with everyone.

 

[Fogdog]

Applying Occam's razor could easily filter out 90% of this thread.

I don't think he meant there was a crime gene. What does Occam's razor have to do with that?

Occam's razor has what to do with problems that in fact are due to multiple factors?

By the way, you could raise everybody's wages and black, Hispanic and women workers will still have a lower wage compared to white men. You keep pounding on one factor as if it's the answer to everything. It's a large factor. How about this, you and your co-worker get a 5% raise, then you take a 20% pay cut for no good reason while the worker doing the same job next to you doesn't and tell me how you like it. Or how fair that would be. Or how it's for the betterment of everybody. It's like being handed a shit sandwich and told "you will eat that".

 

[Chunky Stool]

I don't think he meant there was a crime gene. What does Occam's razor have to do with that?

Occam's razor has what to do with problems that in fact are due to multiple factors?

By the way, you could raise everybody's wages and black, Hispanic and women workers will still have a lower wage compared to white men. You keep pounding on one factor as if it's the answer to everything. It's a large factor. How about this, you and your co-worker get a 5% raise, then you take a 20% pay cut for no good reason while the worker doing the same job next to you doesn't and tell me how you like it. Or how fair that would be. Or how it's for the betterment of everybody. It's like being handed a shit sandwich and told "you will eat that".

Google is your friend.

Occam's razor is about assumptions and I stand by what I said.

 

[907cannabis]

Wow the article hits a lot of good points, the way we are programmed to breed being one of them. Here's a quote from a part of it.

"Blacks have the most testosterone (Ellis & Nyborg, 1992), which helps to explain their higher levels of athletic ability (Entine, 2000). Testosterone acts as a “master switch.” It goes everywhere in the body and affects many bio-behavioral systems. It affects self-concept, aggression, altruism, crime, and sexuality, not just in men, but in women too."

Not only this but breeding in general is our reason for being, the way every species evolves is to benefit the chances of breeding.

The article insists blacks are more aggressive and sexually active than whites, also that they have a lower iq and are physically larger and superior to whites, they have larger penises too and this is a key point, in Africa not many years ago tribes used to steal eachothers women and children and sell them off and breed with them. Some scientists believe having a larger penis ensured that if a women had been bred recently the man with a larger penis would essentially scrape out her insides and plant his semen deeper down inside her and thus raise the chances of conceiving. This was a form of ensuring their dna be passed on through both consensual sex and rape. They say it's these sacrifices that are the opposite on a white male.

They argue on the other side white males have smaller penises and breed for longevity and not just numbers, iq and intelligence become sexual factors, lack of pigmentation causes leas testosterone and therefore less violent and aggressive behavior, more power to use the brain.

I'm not saying this is exactly right, society has proven to change the way people breed and live, today things are different for sure.

The more you think about it the more it makes sense, we are no different than animals really.

If it's true, good for the people that can fight that extra wave of testosterone and not turn it into violence or aggression.

 

[907cannabis]

Basically the gun was the invention of the white mans larger penis.