EXCUSE ME?!..The OFFICIAL Bernie Sanders For President 2016 Thread

[Fogdog]

Gerrymandering. It’s a purple state that has turned red due to Repubs redrawing district lines with their crayons. Probably the worst case of gerrymandering in the country next to Wisconsin.

Betsy Devos and her family have played a big part in this. Tons of money spent by them at the state level to push everything to the right.

The problem is that the Dems have little credibility in the state. They have no political capital to fight back. Scandal after scandal by the Dems. Kwame Kilpatrick (former dem mayor of Detroit) and the Detroit city council gets brought up every time someone tries to pin something on the Repubs. It’s disgusting, and has definitely helped shape my view that both sides are crooked.

I'm beginning to think that some of my bias against the crap that padaskystikk keep layering onto this site is my perspective of living on the west coast where we didn't have egregious Democratic cronyism and corruption that the east coast and industrial lakes region experienced in the mid-late 1900's. Nearly all the kinds of scandals you mention are of a type that I associate with Republicans. Democrats in my state have pretty much been clean.

The south, on the other hand is conservative, corrupt as all hell and has been in Republican control for a generation, which kind of disproves this line of thought.

Republicans who are truly evil are now running things. I don't know if we've hit bottom yet and are ready to take steps to recovery.

I still think the country as a whole is more conservative than Sanders supporters acknowledge. I don't see any recognition of this among your faction.

 

[Fogdog]

The introduction of a whole new generation has changed the political landscape as you once knew it to be..it's called 'time marches on'.

I'm skeptical. The younger voter are notoriously unreliable for turnout. In any case, if you are depending on them, we have another thirty or so years before the millenial voters are even close to a majority. Do you see it happening sooner? Why?

 

[Chezus]

I'm skeptical. The younger voter are notoriously unreliable for turnout. In any case, if you are depending on them, we have another thirty or so years before the millenial voters are even close to a majority. Do you see it happening sooner? Why?

Like I said before, take a little bit of responsibility
"Vote for my candidate or you want Trump!"
Uhh.. no, no matter how many times you repeat it
I don't want Trump, I don't want Clinton either, if I don't want either, why would I go vote for either?
"You don't want him more though"
Yeah, you'd be right about that, but not enough for me to give much of a fuck. I live in California, it's going to the democrat regardless of my vote, so no huge loss there
I'd vote for her if I lived in a swing state, but I wouldn't blame anyone who doesn't, she's a shitty candidate

 

[Fogdog]

Allright, I'll play the other side. Democrats need to run better candidates.

 

[Fogdog]

I'm not going to re-visit this everyday. I have other things to say..hopefully giving someone pause to really think. You're beating a dead horse.

seriously? 25% of Black Democratic party voters and 35% of Hispanic Democratic party voters chose Sanders. Your "cheat" theory doesn't account for Sanders terrible showing with groups that represent 40% of the party's base. How come that one debate question that was leaked had such an asymmetric effect? Shouldn't cheating affect all groups about the same?

I'll come out and say that your "cheat" explanation depends on Black and Hispanic people being more gullible. Is this the basis of your cheat claim?

 

[schuylaar]

seriously? 25% of Black Democratic party voters and 35% of Hispanic Democratic party voters chose Sanders. Your "cheat" theory doesn't account for Sanders terrible showing with groups that represent 40% of the party's base. How come that one debate question that was leaked had such an asymmetric effect? Shouldn't cheating affect all groups about the same?

I'll come out and say that your "cheat" explanation depends on Black and Hispanic people being more gullible. Is this the basis of your cheat claim?

you like to pick fights rather than debate; always reading between the lines for the nefarious.

glass half empty kind of guy, right?

 

[Fogdog]

you like to pick fights rather than debate; always reading between the lines for the nefarious.

glass half empty kind of guy, right?

I'm not picking a fight, I'm picking your assertion apart. The only way your assertion works is if "cheating" mostly affected black and hispanic voters. White Democratic party members voted in the majority for Sanders. The difference isn't even close. Your assertion in essence says that Black and Hispanic voters are stupid. What can you say to counter this? How do you explain why most of the black and brown people of the party were affected by cheating and white people were not?

My assertion is that Sanders didn't reach black and brown voters the same way it did white voters. From what I've read from analysts who are black is they didn't see their needs met with Sanders general economic policies. Meaning Sanders didn't address issues like BLM policies or express any understanding of immigration issues. It could be that he just wasn't well known by that crowd but that's on Sanders, not on them. The numbers back my argument.

 

[st0wandgrow]

I'm beginning to think that some of my bias against the crap that padaskystikk keep layering onto this site is my perspective of living on the west coast where we didn't have egregious Democratic cronyism and corruption that the east coast and industrial lakes region experienced in the mid-late 1900's. Nearly all the kinds of scandals you mention are of a type that I associate with Republicans. Democrats in my state have pretty much been clean.

The south, on the other hand is conservative, corrupt as all hell and has been in Republican control for a generation, which kind of disproves this line of thought.

Republicans who are truly evil are now running things. I don't know if we've hit bottom yet and are ready to take steps to recovery.

I still think the country as a whole is more conservative than Sanders supporters acknowledge. I don't see any recognition of this among your faction.

Republicans are corrupt, and wrong headed. I can’t think of an issue where I side with the right. Dems on the other hand typically espouse what I want to see for policy, it’s just that *some* of them can’t keep their damn hands out of the cookie jar!

I seriously feel that we should pay politicians more, and remove the money motive from the rich donor class. Being potus for example is a damn stressful, and important job that should be compensated accordingly. I’d have no problem paying the potus several million dollars a year.

 

[UncleBuck]

White Democratic party members voted in the majority for Sanders.

it was closer to a 50/50 split among clinton and bernard for the whites.

 

[Fogdog]

it was closer to a 50/50 split among clinton and bernard for the whites.

Yeah. The dismissive and self aggrandizing attitude embedded in this argument about "cheating" is a hallmark of these losers. The size of the claim is also unrealistic. Sanders lost by four million votes. Completely unrealistic AND supremely dismissive of others.

Not to mention the racism I'm calling them out for with this "cheating" argument that only works if Black and Hispanic voters are more easily fooled .

 

[Chezus]

Republicans are corrupt, and wrong headed. I can’t think of an issue where I side with the right. Dems on the other hand typically espouse what I want to see for policy, it’s just that *some* of them can’t keep their damn hands out of the cookie jar!

I seriously feel that we should pay politicians more, and remove the money motive from the rich donor class. Being potus for example is a damn stressful, and important job that should be compensated accordingly. I’d have no problem paying the potus several million dollars a year.

I can't speak for everyone, but there are a lot of people in Michigan looking at Bernie as the last hope. If he doesn't get the nod on the dem side I think a lot of people will stay home and not vote. My family included. I have no interest in more of the same, dem or repub. Hillary is more of the same. She does the bidding for the 1%. Pass

 

[Fogdog]

The Clinton campaign cheated, along with the Democratic establishment and the DNC. They admitted it

Oh how awful. You believe Clinton campaign cheated. Your claim of admission is overblown though. Sanders campaign was caught red-handed cheating. Neither made any difference in the result.

Yeah. The dismissive and self aggrandizing attitude embedded in this argument about "cheating" is a hallmark of these losers. The size of the claim is also unrealistic. Sanders lost by four million votes. Completely unrealistic AND supremely dismissive of others.

Not to mention the racism I'm calling them out for with this "cheating" argument that only works if Black and Hispanic voters are more easily fooled .

 

[ttystikk]

Gerrymandering. It’s a purple state that has turned red due to Repubs redrawing district lines with their crayons. Probably the worst case of gerrymandering in the country next to Wisconsin.

Betsy Devos and her family have played a big part in this. Tons of money spent by them at the state level to push everything to the right.

The problem is that the Dems have little credibility in the state. They have no political capital to fight back. Scandal after scandal by the Dems. Kwame Kilpatrick (former dem mayor of Detroit) and the Detroit city council gets brought up every time someone tries to pin something on the Repubs. It’s disgusting, and has definitely helped shape my view that both sides are crooked.

Indeed, both sides ARE crooked, but of course the centrist cult here will shit anyone down who points out the obvious fact of it.

Why should I support the Republican or the Democratic parties when it's clear neither will actually represent my interests?

Therefore, it's time to organize for a cause I can believe in, the Progressive Movement. Think of it as the New Labor. No damned wonder the 'liberal' elitists like Buck hate it so much; they rightly see us as a threat to their comfy lil gravy train.

 

[ttystikk]

I'm beginning to think that some of my bias against the crap that padaskystikk keep layering onto this site is my perspective of living on the west coast where we didn't have egregious Democratic cronyism and corruption that the east coast and industrial lakes region experienced in the mid-late 1900's. Nearly all the kinds of scandals you mention are of a type that I associate with Republicans. Democrats in my state have pretty much been clean.

The south, on the other hand is conservative, corrupt as all hell and has been in Republican control for a generation, which kind of disproves this line of thought.

Republicans who are truly evil are now running things. I don't know if we've hit bottom yet and are ready to take steps to recovery.

I still think the country as a whole is more conservative than Sanders supporters acknowledge. I don't see any recognition of this among your faction.

Oh my fucking God- you're going to pontificate about the lack of corruption while referring to the land of Diane Feinstein's personal Democratic fiefdom?

I'd call you an idiot but I don't like to insult those who genuinely can't think for themselves. You're just self deluded.

She's EXACTLY the kind of politician that's the heart of the problem.

She's the Democratic Party's best example of profiting personally and professionally from the Citizens United ruling.

 

[ttystikk]

you like to pick fights rather than debate; always reading between the lines for the nefarious.

glass half empty kind of guy, right?

Glass, brain, argument...

 

[Fogdog]

Oh my fucking God- you're going to pontificate about the lack of corruption while referring to the land of Diane Feinstein's personal Democratic fiefdom?

I'd call you an idiot but I don't like to insult those who genuinely can't think for themselves. You're just self deluded.

She's EXACTLY the kind of politician that's the heart of the problem.

She's the Democratic Party's best example of profiting personally and professionally from the Citizens United ruling.

Just playing around with the idea.

You buy into conspiracy theories too easily. Like the Sarin false flag one this year LOL.

So then tell me exactly what has this dastardly Feinstein done. Not your internet musings or fake news blogs but some real underhanded deed that can be found on multiple sources.

 

[UncleBuck]

presstv doesn't count as a source either

 

[ttystikk]

i'm sure hillary clinton, who was criticized for being overprepared, had no idea how to answer a question about lead in the water in a debate in flint, or the death penalty. fucking retarded as ever, padaraper. 4 million votes hinged on that single question too. got it.

brazile's apology was as meaningful as obama disowning reverend wright over his very accurate and non-controversial "god damn america" remarks.

you are too stupid to exist because you go on repeating donald trump talking points.

But she still got fired for an ethical violation, and none of your pathetic excuses change that- or the fact that such unethical people are entirely good enough to serve in the DNC, you establishment shill.

 

[Fogdog]

presstv doesn't count as a source either

ah yes, presstv. I was trying to find that post where @ttystikk referred to some fake news source for validation but couldn't I remember the name. Thanks for that. I'll go back and tag that post.

It was too funny of a read. @ttystikk will quote anything from any source if it confirms his preconceived notions, or maybe that's where he gets the information to begin with. chicken or egg

 

[UncleBuck]

But she still got fired for an ethical violation, and none of your pathetic excuses change that- it the fact that such unethical people are entirely good enough to serve in the DNC, you establishment shill.

CNN fired two people for running a completely true story that was not sourced thoroughly enough.

what is your point even?