Hillary Fundraiser Offers Thoughts On Her Upcoming Book Tour: "Shut The F**k Up And Go Away!"

Fogdog

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perhaps what i see is different not everything is black and white..ask questions..who what where when why. i am happy i could inspire you..

What color is your sky right now or when the Hurricane making it's way past?

We had a lot of smoke from fires and the sky was reddish, especially at sunset.

In the north during the arctic winter, the sky is lit up by the Aurora Borealis.

What color is the sky at night?

What color was the sky around the sun during the eclipse?

But this is literally how the sky can be different colors. I preferred the metaphor of how a person views the world and rather like the metaphor of the sky being apple colored.

You do inspire me.
 

Fogdog

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but you just SAID in the post ABOVE..to gain nom and win, you MUST (or what YOU refuse to consider..LACK of minority demographic) have these demographics.

it's a double-edge sword, my lord..now bend the knee.

and yes, you are black..ask me how i knôw:wink:
LOL

Ever since you decided I was black, you can't stop posting to me. London has it right.

I don't take you for being stupid. It was clear in my post what I meant. I cleared it up when you acted stupid by making an inane remark. If you need me to, I'll spell it out for you. Trump was running as a Republican for the Republican nomination. Sanders, who lost bigly, was running as a Democrat for the Democratic nomination. I'm pretty sure you knew that.

In order to win the Democratic nomination the candidate needs to win the majority of votes in the African American and Hispanic American delegations. It's mathematically possible to win the nomination without gaining their majorities but very hard. Sanders did so badly with these delegations early on that he had no chance afterward. Given this, why isn't Sanders reaching out to groups like Black Lives Matters and holding town halls in areas with large populations of African Americans and Hispanic Americans?
 
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dagwood45431

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i had to google this because my mind doesn't even go there..unlike yours..YOU have serious issues.
Well then what did you mean with your odd and unsupported generalization? You really do not see the thread that connects your comment with how Al Jolson and others of the time told us black people ought to behave in front of white people? Where did the horrible term "shuckin' and jivin'" come from? That's pretty much the dog whistle I hear when I hear something like. "For a black guy you're pretty uptight".

I'm fairly certain you didn't mean it that way. I'm also fairly certain you are not anti-Semitic. I just don't get the odd (to me, anyway) tics you seem to display around these topics. I would never in a million years start a statement with something like, "For a black guy...". There's just no valid place to go from there.
 

dagwood45431

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which question are you asking about? I'll answer if you'll tell me which one.

Is there one white culture? Should we project on onto others the worst of our culture or best of it?

Apples are many colored. Thanks for the metaphor. To you the metaphorical sky is one color. Makes sense.

In any case, there are many ways to address structural racism without demanding people change their beliefs. Except for the justice system. That one can't be run by racists any more. Or wouldn't in my apple colored sky of a world.
I'm quite in love with you, you wacky black or white man. You say the things that need saying.
 

schuylaar

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I agree that Clinton wasn't a great choice for many in the African American community. Witness the lower turnout of African Americans during the general election. Bearkat gave a very eloquent reason why he couldn't vote for her.

What do you think that Bernie meant when he said in December after the election that "people are tired of political correctness rhetoric"?
you agree clinton was not a good choice for AA's?..she was not a good choice, period. you along with others here defended her..turned a blind eye to her message: none..then was relentless on those who voted her but didn't support..me, tty, pada.


i would need to hear the context in which it was said. but taking a guess? 'shit or get off the pot' metaphor. those who continually tie the system in which we cannot make a move without it being run through someones version of PC checklist then finding excuses within, in order to not make the decision, for fear of offending a particular group.

racists don't hate you..you're different from them; they don't understand you which causes them to act out..they're small minded, narrow thinking persons who can't accept those who differ from themselves. hence cleaving to the bible because they can't (or won't) accept choices they've made for themselves and their outcomes. with this mindset it expands into other areas of their smallness..everything is everyone elses fault..why? no accountability..they already throw choices/outcomes on a pretend man in the sky and his ancient book of rules..that when the going got rough and everyone started to doubt no longer showering church with cashola..voila! the new testament appeared..a relaxed, kinder, gentler god..and the fools came running! theyre easy to manipulate.

do you understand why freedom caucus will never support the many things others do, including DACA.
 

Fogdog

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you agree clinton was not a good choice for AA's?..she was not a good choice, period. you along with others here defended her..turned a blind eye to her message: none..then was relentless on those who voted her but didn't support..me, tty, pada.


i would need to hear the context in which it was said. but taking a guess? 'shit or get off the pot' metaphor. those who continually tie the system in which we cannot make a move without it being run through someones version of PC checklist then finding excuses within, in order to not make the decision, for fear of offending a particular group.

racists don't hate you..you're different from them; they don't understand you which causes them to act out..they're small minded, narrow thinking persons who can't accept those who differ from themselves. hence cleaving to the bible because they can't (or won't) accept choices they've made for themselves and their outcomes. with this mindset it expands into other areas of their smallness..everything is everyone elses fault..why? no accountability..they already throw choices/outcomes on a pretend man in the sky and his ancient book of rules..that when the going got rough and everyone started to doubt no longer showering church with cashola..voila! the new testament appeared..a relaxed, kinder, gentler god..and the fools came running! theyre easy to manipulate.

do you understand why freedom caucus will never support the many things others do, including DACA.
The African American vote count was down in 2016 compared to 2012 and 2008. Those people who stayed home must not have been happy with Clinton. I don't know what the rest of your sentence was meant to say. In any case, Clinton is so yesterday.

Bernie is current and he's becoming more centrist every day, it seems. You do know that he's no longer talking about Universal Healthcare as if it is some sort of litmus test of acceptability for Democratic party leaders and representatives, don't you? Same goes with women's right to choose whether or not to have an abortion.


Within the first minute, you'll hear the question and Bernie's answer. Rather than try to read and decipher your impenetrable paragraph that imagines what Bernie said, hopefully you'll be more coherent when you actually know the context of my comment.

Tell me more about racism.
 

st0wandgrow

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Since the election, Bernie has pivoted away from or downgraded his stance on many of his staunchly proclaimed "must have now" issues such as universal health care and become a bit of a centrist.....

"Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) will unveil his “Medicare for all” bill on Wednesday, his office announced Friday.

The announcement comes as single-payer health care is gaining as a force within the Democratic Party, and Sanders’s formal announcement will move the issue further into the spotlight.

Sanders made single payer a driving force of his campaign for president last year, and is now keeping up the push."

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/349830-sanders-to-unveil-medicare-for-all-bill-on-wednesday
 

Fogdog

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"Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) will unveil his “Medicare for all” bill on Wednesday, his office announced Friday.

The announcement comes as single-payer health care is gaining as a force within the Democratic Party, and Sanders’s formal announcement will move the issue further into the spotlight.

Sanders made single payer a driving force of his campaign for president last year, and is now keeping up the push."

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/349830-sanders-to-unveil-medicare-for-all-bill-on-wednesday
Oh yes. He's going to write that bill. We talked about this before.

OK

If you don't see Bernie saying he would support a Democrat who didn't support single payer in the following statement then we simply can't agree.

Sanders told The Post that healthcare, and support for a single-payer system, is just one issue for voters to consider.
“Is this a litmus test? No, you have to look at where candidates are on many issues,” Sanders said.


“But you’re seeing more and more movement toward ‘Medicare for All.’ When the people are saying we need healthcare for everyone, as more and more Americans come on board, it will become politically possible.”

I'm listening to his recent statements and it seems to me that he's showing much more flexibility and willingness to compromise than his rhetoric last year would lead one to believe. Pad and tty are livid that I'm saying he's being pragmatic about single payer healthcare. As I see it, he's conceding to the reality that his single payer healthcare bill has little chance of passing now or even in 2018. In written policy positions, he hasn't changed. In speech and tone of statements, it seems to me that he's changing his stance to be more open to compromise.

For example, during the debate in January 2016, he ripped Clinton a new asshole over the ACA. He came across as totally against anything other than single payer. ever. Now, he's like: "well, OK, we can agree to disagree but I still support single payer myself."

http://time.com/4183990/democratic-debate-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-obamacare/

I don't think this is a bad thing. I am having fun poking at some of the more hyperbolic Sanders supporters who have been railing against the Democratic party about single payer healthcare. They go on and on about corrupt Democrats as if the Republicans didn't have anything to do with stopping it each and every time Democrats tried to get it passed into law. Yet, here we are. Sanders is not that much different in stance than Clinton. Except he's going to write a bill that will never see the light of day and he knows it.
 

st0wandgrow

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Oh yes. He's going to write that bill. We talked about this before.
Ok, but in the statement of yours above that I quoted, you said he was pivoting away from campaign issues such as single payer. He's introducing a medicare for all bill on Wednesday. Help me understand how that is "pivoting away from the issue"....
 

Fogdog

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Ok, but in the statement of yours above that I quoted, you said he was pivoting away from campaign issues such as single payer. He's introducing a medicare for all bill on Wednesday. Help me understand how that is "pivoting away from the issue"....
OK, so not pivoting away, just managing expectations like any other politician. His message is very different from the one he sold to his supporters in 2015.
 

Fogdog

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read your quote..up until about 2 weeks ago when uncle buck disappeared, you were part of the crew..blaming everyone and everything for that cunts loss.
Nope, wasn't me. I've said all along that it was Clinton's job to convince people to vote for her. You are confused.

Same with Sanders. It was his job to convince voters to vote for him and he lost too. I got over it and moved on.
 

schuylaar

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Ok, but in the statement of yours above that I quoted, you said he was pivoting away from campaign issues such as single payer. He's introducing a medicare for all bill on Wednesday. Help me understand how that is "pivoting away from the issue"....
he processes information differently based upon his culture. you do it and so do i.
 
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