bernie and jane are lawyering up!

[twostrokenut]

the poor and middle class are the overwhelming majority. they need buying power, not credit.

 

[Padawanbater2]

i suggest they keep more or all of their "money". starting with the poorest and the middle class.

the 1% should pay a hefty income tax because income is making money from gains on having money right?

leave wages alone.

Cool, so you support a progressive system of taxation? Wealthier people pay more in taxes, as your income decreases you pay less in taxes. Poor people pay the least in taxes, etc.

I think the 1% should pay more in taxes because they earn more. I think it should be a fair representation of your ability to pay compared to the rest of the population. If you're wealthy and you can pay more than someone who isn't and it will affect you less on a financial level than someone poorer, I think the most fair tax policy is a progressive one.

Leave wages alone? Wages need to rise!

 

[UncleBuck]

the poor and middle class are the overwhelming majority. they need buying power, not credit.

i bought a house on credit and have accrued over $100,000 in equity already. credit is fucking awesome.

 

[twostrokenut]

i bought a house on credit and have accrued over $100,000 in equity already. credit is fucking awesome.

sure, it's addicting. the beauty is you can default and us taxpayers foot the bill.....after your pmi drops off that is.

 

[UncleBuck]

sure, it's addicting. the beauty is you can default and us taxpayers foot the bill.....after your pmi drops off that is.

you'r not a taxpayer though. and you defaulted because you were too much of a deadbeat to pay your mortgage.

 

[twostrokenut]

Cool, so you support a progressive system of taxation? Wealthier people pay more in taxes, as your income decreases you pay less in taxes. Poor people pay the least in taxes, etc.

I think the 1% should pay more in taxes because they earn more. I think it should be a fair representation of your ability to pay compared to the rest of the population. If you're wealthy and you can pay more than someone who isn't and it will affect you less on a financial level than someone poorer, I think the most fair tax policy is a progressive one.

Leave wages alone? Wages need to rise!

wages should not be taxed at all. they are an even exchange of labor for value.

it's an even trade and an instant wage increase.

leave social security and the safety net in place for a while...as long as its needed. bring the military home and let's see what happens.

 

[twostrokenut]

you'r not a taxpayer though. and you defaulted because you were too much of a deadbeat to pay your mortgage.

out of morbid curiosity, why do you think I don't pay taxes on my middle class wage as a meat cutter?

my right to strategically default is reserved.

 

[Padawanbater2]

wages should not be taxed at all. they are an even exchange of labor for value.

it's an even trade and an instant wage increase.

leave social security and the safety net in place for a while, bring the military home and let's see what happens.

How would you pay for the things we're required to pay for without taxing income?

 

[twostrokenut]

How would you pay for the things we're required to pay for without taxing income?

cut military spending and increase taxes on actual income if nessecary.

 

[twostrokenut]

income being actual gains. exchanging labor for a wage is not a gain. you own your labor therefore a wage is property. quite different from income, perhaps subject to apportionment I would concede.

 

[Padawanbater2]

cut military spending and increase taxes on actual income if nessecary.

I don't think that would be enough, even if we cut the military by 100%

income being actual gains.

Could you clarify what you mean by 'actual gains'?

 

[twostrokenut]

I don't think that would be enough, even if we cut the military by 100%

Could you clarify what you mean by 'actual gains'?

first let's agree that a trade of labor for a wage is an even exchange. there's no basis really for the conversation otherwise.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

bzzzzz thanks for playing. i pay income taxes but even those exempt from that pay import taxes, inflation tax ect....


i don't really see your philosophy as evil or stupid, perhaps ignorant at worst. at the end of the day y'all on the left mostly are seeking economic liberty for most folks as the final outcome albeit your way requires eating others that you must justify as "villians".

often your leaders are these villains but you fall right in for their schtick, I mean you voting for Bernie and all that's pretty easy to see even for you.

Again, being called ignorant by a dumb redneck living in a trailer and championing the presidency of a corrupt and equally stupid nepotist (once-bankrupt) businessman is pretty ironic to me.

I also abstained from voting, by the way. I didn't really like any of them toward the end.

 

[abandonconflict]

Bootlickers always bitch about income tax, but never about wage-slavery. Your employer takes a much higher percentage of the total value of your labor than what is taken in taxes.

That the bootlickers think the taxes they pay actually funds gov't spending is motivated by hatred of the unfortunate. That is correct bootlicker, taxes do not fund spending, now go do some homework.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

first let's agree that a trade of labor for a wage is an even exchange. there's no basis really for the conversation otherwise.

Being a soldier's a trade. Earlier, you compared being a servicemember to being on welfare. That's ignorant in its most literal sense.

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adjective

1. lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.
   "he was told constantly that he was ignorant and stupid"
   synonyms: uneducated, unknowledgeable, untaught, unschooled, untutored, untrained, illiterate, unlettered, unlearned, unread, uninformed, unenlightened, benighted;"

 

[twostrokenut]

Bootlickers always bitch about income tax, but never about wage-slavery. Your employer takes a much higher percentage of the total value of your labor than what is taken in taxes.

That the bootlickers think the taxes they pay actually funds gov't spending is motivated by hatred of the unfortunate. That is correct bootlicker, taxes do not fund spending, now go do some homework.

the bootlicker simply provides the collateral for the loan. now get to your main point: which inevitably is that bootlickers own their labor and the surplus product of that labor.

 

[twostrokenut]

Being a soldier's a trade. Earlier, you compared being a servicemember to being on welfare. That's ignorant in its most literal sense.

"
adjective

1. lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.
   "he was told constantly that he was ignorant and stupid"
   synonyms: uneducated, unknowledgeable, untaught, unschooled, untutored, untrained, illiterate, unlettered, unlearned, unread, uninformed, unenlightened, benighted;"

i would consider a soldier's salary a non taxable wage. still, the salary is derived from taxes thus net tax consumption. of course as a.c. eludes to this is not dollar to dollar contribution to consumption; if it were then contributors would pay 100%

 

[Olive Drab Green]

i would consider a social workers salary a non taxable wage. still, the salary is derived from taxes thus netvtac consumption. of course as a.c. eludes to this is not dollar to dollar contribution to consumption; if it were then contributors would pay 100%

You don't even pay taxes, you live in a trailer park. Don't worry, though. Trump's about to tax the anus out of you. Hope you can sit in your trailer with a prolapsed asshole while you get taxed higher for being poor.

 

[twostrokenut]

You don't even pay taxes, you live in a trailer park.

you lose.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

you lose.

What are you, 5? And, you pay the government. The government pays me. Because I did shit while you sat in your trailer. They tax my income, as well.