How to make Colloidal Silver to make Feminized seeds

spek9

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Just posted this in another thread. First, your desired PPM is 40, second:

Ok, so my docs that came with my CS generator state the following (using 3 9v batteries wired in series):

30PPM: distilled water heated to 92 degrees F:
16 oz water: 96 mins
24 oz water: 144 mins
32 oz water: 192 mins

40PPM: distilled water heated to 112 degrees F:
16 oz water: 128 mins
24 oz water: 192 mins
32 oz water: 256 mins

-spek
 

Trousers

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Only the first plant, but all these seeds will carry um how to put it "level 1" hermie traits.

You should never use a feminised seed to make seeds... (they will be uhh "level 2")

Meaning more likely to continually hermie...
This post is old but it is Level One Bullshit.


I have produced thousands of feminized seeds using feminized seeds. Not one of those seeds that myself or my friends have planted has produced male flowers or "hermed." All of the resulting plants have been female.
 

mike4c4

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I have a sweet island #1sk it is 5wk old and is in a 32x48x48 box with 400watt hps. temp is 76 all time and im getting ready flower do to space. My question is: i want to feminize it what hormonal spray do i need and where can i get it cheep!!!
I bought some
COLLOIDAL silver from amazon and tried it my other plant I think its cheese not sure but after spraying once evreday for 10 days now i see nothing. is it bad spray or do i just keep with it and hope. i have 1oz. of it left and if i order it well itll be to late. please help.
 

PhenoMenal

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G'day napalesegrizzly23,
I don't mind you posting my original 2007 thread as this thread, but... why not link to the original and give original author credit? I put a lot of work into creating that thread; it would've taken less than a minute of your time to link to it or provide credit. :)

And when copy-and-pasting it you didn't include (amongst LOTS of other good information also excluded!) my CREDITS section where I gave credit to those who helped me become able to put that thread together - you owe them just as much as I do! :D

mike4c4, your colloidal solution from Amazon might be too weak (ie for human consumption not plant sex reversal) :) ... CS solutions have a somewhat toxic effect on plants due to the amount we're using - they look like crap going through the process.

Peace from Down Under,
Pheno
 
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jamesthefarmer

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Sorry-I'm not very good and explaining myself when I'm as stoned as I am--I was asking him why use the CS when he can stress the plants by going 2 to 3 weeks past the ripe flowering stage(this will produce male pollen sacs on the females-they then can be collected and used to pollinate. Since the female was stressed to produce male flowers, When back-crossed there is no need of worrying that the offspring(seeds) will produce feminized Hermite plants unless the original mother had herm traits in her strain line.
@iajOGrown dude this makes a lot of sense why the green crack had seeds
 

rshackleferd

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I have a sweet island #1sk it is 5wk old and is in a 32x48x48 box with 400watt hps. temp is 76 all time and im getting ready flower do to space. My question is: i want to feminize it what hormonal spray do i need and where can i get it cheep!!!
I bought some
COLLOIDAL silver from amazon and tried it my other plant I think its cheese not sure but after spraying once evreday for 10 days now i see nothing. is it bad spray or do i just keep with it and hope. i have 1oz. of it left and if i order it well itll be to late. please help.
The cs i used at amazon is the 50ppm version from "silver mountain minerals" never had a problem, used this technique at least 10 times. You will not see anything happening for about 3 weeks. It started getting expensive so i started making my own, never had a problem with flipping with the diy stuff.
 

rshackleferd

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Had to learn on my own= If you are going to make your own CS make sure you clean the piece of silver every ten or so minutes. It gets kinda dirty from the reactions. If you dont clean it a lot of the silver will end up in this dirty build up. Another thing i like to mention is your regular ppm meters will not really work well with CS. For example if it says 15ppm it really means 25ppm or higher. When making CS it can take awhile to get started but once it starts it will speed up since the silver particles actually help the reaction. The silver rod or whatever silver you use doesnt last forever. You can make a lot of cs but the silver starts to shrink. I stop when the ppm meter measures around 21-25. For some odd reason some batches take longer and some take no time at all.Really stoned right now, hope that makes sense.
 
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bullSnot

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Hermies are how you make feminised seeds, thats what he does with the CS, its a way to make a plant hermie...
stop getting your education from a cereal box. CS changes the plant at the molecular level. It is not just male flowers on a female plant.
 

I'mBatman

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So I have doing some research on making feminized seeds and I came across this bit of info. I will not be able to try this for a couple months since I don't grow indoors. Has anyone or someone they know ever attempted to make fem seeds using this method.
This is some info i found. Someone else wrote this stuff.
Thought it might be some useful info for anyone interested in trying to make those fem seeds.

Im using silver coins, but you can essentially use any form of silver including silver wire as long as its 999 or 9999 pure (i bought mine from my local Mint, but you easily get silver off ebay too.

Also, you dont need to solder alligator clips on, the important thing is simply that the wires are touching the silver so the electric current can flow through them, but i think the alligator clips add a nice touch plus they make it easier to hold the silver, so if you've got some spare alligator clips and have a soldering iron then I recommend it!



have reported excellent success with this method, and it's no secret that colloidal silver has been used for a long time now to 'reverse' the sex of cannabis plants, although thanks to their help hopefully the process of making our own CS will no longer be shrouded in mystery!

What is Colloidal Silver?
Colloidal Silver is pure, metallic silver (the element), in particles of 15 atoms or fewer, each with a positive electric charge and attached to a molecule of a simple protein. These electrically charged particles of silver are extremely small, usually ranging from about 0.001 to about 0.01 microns in diameter, and are suspended in deionized water. The force of the electric charge is stronger than the force of gravity, so the silver particles remain suspended.

In a nutshell how is Colloidal Silver made?
You simply pass a small electric current through distilled water using a pure silver electrode (im using coins). That is essentially all there is to it. Contrary to popular belief, distilled water will conduct a small amount of electricity, allowing production of micro particulate colloidal silver.

What the hell does it have to do with cannabis?!?
We use Colloidal Silver (CS) for making FEMINISED SEEDS, which I'm a big fan of after having nothing but great success from them since i started growing a few years ago

(The basic idea being you regularly spray CS on a female to force it to create bananas ie. pollen ... you then use that pollen to fertilize another female (or even itself, ie "selfing"), and the resulting seeds are feminised due to the pollen coming from a female instead of a male)

Also, there are some other substances that can be used to force male parts on female plants, including STS (silver theosulphate, which is silver nitrate + sodium theosulphate) and GA (giberillic acid), but CS is non-toxic, easy, safe and inexpensive to make at home, doesn't require a DEA request form, and isn't a controlled substance.


Csilver is available from your local chemist (in low parts-per-million though), and is drank for good health (the silver helps kill bacteria etc). But its PPM is too low for what we intend to use it for - feminised seeds! So we need to make our own with a higher PPM ... no problems, we simply allow the electrical current to flow through the silver for a longer duration


TO MAKE A COLLOIDAL SILVER GENERATOR ...
You will need: a 9V power adapter that outputs DC, two alligator clips, a soldering iron + solder. (If you dont have soldering iron you can simply wrap the wire around the alligator clip base in a coil and that will suffice, but youll get better contact if you solder it).
- Get a power adapter that has an output of 9V DC 600mA or thereabouts. Output must be DC, and 9V/600mA seems optimal from what I've read and been told
- Cut the end off and discard
- Split the main wire into its two smaller sub-wires (no need to pull them apart all the way though). Dont worry, we dont need to know which is positive/negative.
- Use wire-cutters to remove the plastic shielding/insulation to expose the actual metal wires, about 1 inch is enough
- Solder the wires onto alligator clips ($0.50ea from your local electronics store)

If you dont have alligator clips Haps suggested a good alternative - drill a hole into each coin and coil the wire around that instead.

TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER ...
- Get some distilled water. Do not use any other type of water due to impurities. At your supermarket you may find distilled water next to spring water, but it may also be in the ironing products isle as it is commonly used for steam irons.
- Attach each alligator clip to a chunk of PURE 999 or 9999 SILVER (i just got two 1oz coins from the local Mint, approx US$20ea, but 1/2oz coins wouldve been suffice - i didnt realise how big 1oz of silver was!)
- Make sure each coin is half-dunked in the water, but that the alligator clips themselves arent touching the water, then turn on your generator and leave it for about 7 hours. (goldking leaves his on "overnight" and thus probably gets an even higher PPM, but has had good results from it!)
The end result: the electrolysis causes microscopic silver particles to be suspended in the water (= colloidal silver aka CS). The rig basically looks like this when in use (the only thing in contact with the water is the silver, not the alligator clips or anything else):


It's also recommended you use an airpump with a clean (not used for anything else) airstone to help keep the water moving.

Also you don't want to leave the CS generator running TOO long or the silver particles in the water start getting too large - ~8 hours should be plenty.

USING COLLOIDAL SILVER TO MAKE FEMINISED SEEDS ...
Start spraying your target plant with CS just before you send it into 12/12 flowering, and keep spraying every few days. I won't go into details, but the CS causes the female to produce male flowers/pollen. Collect that pollen, and use it to pollenate another female (you can pollenate the same female that you CS'd (aka "self'ing") and indeed you may have to if you have a clone-only strain, although that may lead to more hermaphroditic traits, but I wont go into details on that). Anyway, because you've pollenated a plant with pollen from a female, the pollen can only create female seeds.

There's obviously a lot more to it than that but hopefully this brief explanation will help people understand the basic jist of it


ps. I don't recommend drinking home-made CS unless you've done your homework because the PPM may be too high, which is great for making feminised seeds (we need a higher PPM for that) but may have risks with human consumption - too much silver can cause argyria, a condition of blue or gray discoloration of the skin, so always buy it from your chemist if you intend to use it medicinally. Also if you do drink it medicinally it's recommended you also take additional probiotics (like Yakult), because the silver also kills a lot of the good bacteria inside you. So do your homework first!

don't know what the RULES are for misting the plants,but i soak the heck out of mine when i spray,every day, not just a lil damp mist,thats why if i had to pay $20+ for a lil bottle at the health store, i could never afford to use CS.

i touch my ingots together to look for a miniscule spark arch to see if every thing has positive contact and is working. the spark, if there will be very very faint, kinda like rubbing a cat on the wall, the sparks are hard to see
Thanks for the info. Here's what I did with it.
 

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bullSnot

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The key to turning a female plant to male is ...well more Keys than this one, but years ago when I started this procedure I made this mistake...start spraying 2 week prior to 12/12. Some folks say a few days. Some plants are fussy about turning and if not started early before 12/12 you may get it to turn male - but could be sterile (very little pollen) - I have made my own analysis...the more female pistols that develop before the change to male sacks, the higher percentage it has trouble putting out pollen. Start early with the colloidal silver. 2 weeks prior is plenty
 

I'mBatman

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The key to turning a female plant to male is ...well more Keys than this one, but years ago when I started this procedure I made this mistake...start spraying 2 week prior to 12/12. Some folks say a few days. Some plants are fussy about turning and if not started early before 12/12 you may get it to turn male - but could be sterile (very little pollen) - I have made my own analysis...the more female pistols that develop before the change to male sacks, the higher percentage it has trouble putting out pollen. Start early with the colloidal silver. 2 weeks prior is plenty
My White Widow had already flowered n I had just put my Mexican Sativa into 12/12 when I started spraying and my White Widow grew balls n the Mexican Sativa is growing bananas.
 

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bullSnot

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My White Widow had already flowered n I had just put my Mexican Sativa into 12/12 when I started spraying and my White Widow grew balls n the Mexican Sativa is growing bananas.
hope you have separate rooms for those males. Otherwise it will be a Gene Pool Orgy and you will not know what is what for seeds.
 

I'mBatman

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hope you have separate rooms for those males. Otherwise it will be a Gene Pool Orgy and you will not know what is what for seeds.
I have them in separate grow tents. I want a lot of seeds for as many sea of green I can do. I've got a three light rotation, two 2x2x4's n a 2x3x4. They're not big areas but all I want is to grow for me n my brother n we smoke an oz a month. N I'm hoping to get enough pollen to freeze for later. I've got some female autos that you can't clone so I'll be spreading the love. Lol
 

bullSnot

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I like that one grew balls n the other grew nanners. Lol
I have gotten 600 seeds from the very first cross I did. Probably beginners luck. Timing is everything, doing it this way. Nanners release the pollen upon growth - so don't think they had no pollen, as we typically see them after the pollen is released. It is fun messing with breeding. I have a blueberry that stays very short and has the best buds. It is the size of an Autoflower but holds some nasty fat buds...Another of my favorite is a Mass Sour D X Thai Jamacian...still trying to strengthen the stems a bit more on that. Best tasting stuff on this planet and three others.
 

I'mBatman

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I have gotten 600 seeds from the very first cross I did. Probably beginners luck. Timing is everything, doing it this way. Nanners release the pollen upon growth - so don't think they had no pollen, as we typically see them after the pollen is released. It is fun messing with breeding. I have a blueberry that stays very short and has the best buds. It is the size of an Autoflower but holds some nasty fat buds...Another of my favorite is a Mass Sour D X Thai Jamacian...still trying to strengthen the stems a bit more on that. Best tasting stuff on this planet and three others.
That's awesome. If I ever buy seeds again, it will be to get the strain for my seed collection. I love auto flowering plants.
 

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