ruwtz
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I wouldn't count on it. For whatever purpose we grow, surely everyone here is interested in either quality or yield as a priority? The way we reach either - or both - is what these discussions are about.
REMOVING FAN LEAVES
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I wouldn't count on it. For whatever purpose we grow, surely everyone here is interested in either quality or yield as a priority? The way we reach either - or both - is what these discussions are about.
dargd1
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Thank you for your input, personally I don't alter my plants nearly as much as you may think.....lol...I am a new grower with common sense and an appetite to experiment within reason. I can assure you my plants are in good health and good hands.
ruwtz
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I'm not asking so that I can start going about something new in my garden. I only want to start another pothead internet argument full of scandal and opinion dressed as fact.
dargd1
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All you had to do in that case is just to post a new thread that merely says "Hi"I'm not asking so that I can start going about something new in my garden. I only want to start another pothead internet argument full of scandal and opinion dressed as fact.
whitebb2727
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I figured as much. Lol.I'm not asking so that I can start going about something new in my garden. I only want to start another pothead internet argument full of scandal and opinion dressed as fact.
Haze the maze
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I was told to clean out the middle and bottom third. Keep as many outside leaves as possible. This will improve the bud quality as the buds will get more light and not MOLD when they thicken up into dense nugs.
So, Ya thinning improves bud quality!
Also. I enjoy cutting little pieces off My girl. I close the scissors really slow and yank off bits that I'm not happy with. Moo Ha Ha Ha..
Don't want to live in My grow room!
So, Ya thinning improves bud quality!
Also. I enjoy cutting little pieces off My girl. I close the scissors really slow and yank off bits that I'm not happy with. Moo Ha Ha Ha..
Don't want to live in My grow room!
ruwtz
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[1] Lollipopping lower plant isn't what we're on about here.
[2] Mold can be inhibited with a clean space and controlled environment (temps/RH): high transpiration rates in dense foliage and poorly managed humidity will cause problems.
This isn't a quality or yield technique, just solid grow practice.
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whitebb2727
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Wasn't really directed at you. Guilty much? I joke.
dargd1
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Always guilty .Just ask my Mother. At 55 yo I am still always guilty....lol A couple pics of current plants. Hard not to thin them but they are doing fine:
youngins are doing fine. They did receive a few leaf extractions...lol
ruwtz
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Looks like good canopy spread to me.
Here's my first run of Larry OG from seed, day 45, topped and LST'd in veg but still unruly and very lanky. Canopy unmanaged in flower and thick, dense shiny green foliage easily half way down these 5ft trees.
Not a single fan removed. Good or bad for bud quality? I have no idea, I just see healthy plants.
dargd1
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Very nice. I was dangerously short on stash so I admit; I only did a 4 week veg from seed then flipped to flower....lol...Mine are on the short side for obvious reasons. Planned! Mine are 22 days into flower.
bryan oconner
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what light do you have over that plant curious ,
ruwtz
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Gavita 750DE, one per table, 4 tables of 4-6 plants, one strain per table. Room is 12 x 9ft with 10ft ceilings. Its tight in there!
bryan oconner
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nice. yeah we all been there done that ,, its gets really bad when you have to go on your hands and knees crawl in just to water and stretchhhhhhh lol
Afgan King
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Works but only really with hybrids and Sativa's, Indica's like their leaves so I don't touch em much. Day 4 of flower and day 23 remove all large water leaves from the third node down. Have tested on tens of thousands of plants there's a lot of grey area and people don't know how to properly do it and we get varying results because I know if you do it like 3 a light says shit hits the fan. That dude goes fuckin nuts when it's really a horrible idea unless it's a really vigorous hybrid and even then he pulls way too much. Did testing in warehouse with 7 rooms of 180 plants 20+ strains per rooms over 100 strains total and each room 45k watts. You really shouldn't do it unless you really know your plants because it can be detrimental for sure if not done properly. I'm not gonna argue I don't care to I've been doing this technique for years I've seen it work I know it works and i know why it doesn't work for everyone is because there are a lot variables to take in when deciding to defoliate.
Tyleb173rd
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That leaf is no joke!!!!
ruwtz
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Here's a different common sense way to look at it: maximum light efficacy is reached when 100% of the light footprint is met by leaf canopy.
Any less than 100% coverage and light passes through to the ground (= inefficient), whereas any surplus coverage and we can say energy has been unnecessarily expended building leaves that are not required.
Leaves with direct light exposure receive useful blue/red spectrum plus UVA and UVB, with only some green passing through to lower leaves, ie. unusable.
Presumably some of these leaves will assimilate photosynthate / store energy, but not all, and besides how can we tell which ones? In any case, a healthy functional plant will mobilize sugars to where needed most in the plant, so perhaps it is not important. This is a function of metabolism: to use energy as quickly as it can be created for optimum growth, and I expect we are all aiming for this streamlined process with indoor growing, hydroponics or whatever system where time and cost is an implication.
Thinking about it this way brings me closer to accepting the logic of defoliating - strategically and deliberately - as a practice that can deliver improved yield and/or quality, if one knows what one is doing.
Any less than 100% coverage and light passes through to the ground (= inefficient), whereas any surplus coverage and we can say energy has been unnecessarily expended building leaves that are not required.
Leaves with direct light exposure receive useful blue/red spectrum plus UVA and UVB, with only some green passing through to lower leaves, ie. unusable.
Presumably some of these leaves will assimilate photosynthate / store energy, but not all, and besides how can we tell which ones? In any case, a healthy functional plant will mobilize sugars to where needed most in the plant, so perhaps it is not important. This is a function of metabolism: to use energy as quickly as it can be created for optimum growth, and I expect we are all aiming for this streamlined process with indoor growing, hydroponics or whatever system where time and cost is an implication.
Thinking about it this way brings me closer to accepting the logic of defoliating - strategically and deliberately - as a practice that can deliver improved yield and/or quality, if one knows what one is doing.
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Haze the maze
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Wouldn't exposing the flowers also help the plant to grow.. Is there any difference between leaf material and flower parts in photosynthesis ? If there is no difference, then exposing more bud would help to make better bud. Obviously removing within reason.IMO
ruwtz
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Flowers barely have any photosynthetic properties. They assimilate sugars for growth rather than produce them. This is why exposing them to light doesn't make any sense.
At the same time we know buds at the top of the plant nearest the light develop the best. Is this simply light exposure (sun ripening) or hormonal response (such as apical dominance), or something else??
This is the part nobody seems to be able to explain.
whitebb2727
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I stated that earlier. Sugar leaves and buds are nowhere as good at using light as fan leaves. Like 5-10% compared to 90%.
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