Openly supporting donald trump got me banned from the 3ma

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Dr. Who

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Where has it worked?
OH! The Russia, China, Cuba card.....

That's Communism NOT Socialism !!! That's the biggest misconception sold to the public by the right. (FEAR THIS and this, and this, and this -etc, etc!) I basically think that the right wants everyone else afraid and following the wolf in the herders cloths "because they will "protect us"! What rubbish!

I know several business owners who run their business with a socialist twist (I did it too). Employees get paid in shares - even the owner. I know a large scale bakery that does this. The lowest guy on the ladder (the janitor) makes $64,000 a year (to start)! His kids go to college and he and his wife basically want for nothing.....The owner still makes the bulk of the money but has employees that would not even consider leaving. They do the best work in the field. He takes the time to know each employee by name and as he hands out bonus's....He ask's by name how each wife is doing and how the kids are.

The health care is provided. 100%! Each employee gets a $1000 dollar "grant" at the beginning of the year to cover any deductible med costs for the year. IF any of that $1000 dollars is left at the end of the year. It is the employees to keep for them selves. Not to many people taking sick days (you do have to have a Dr.'s note for sick days)!

Whats the catch? You have to work 10 hr days, 4 days a week with Fridays as needed and at overtime share rates. Instead of adding employees and increasing hrs. The owner has simply expanded as needed to cover the increase in business demand for the high quality natural grained and organic bread lines that have been increasing production needs!

That, is a type or style of "socialism".....Money or product does NOT go to the "state" for redistribution "equally" !!!!

The employees direct family get the first chance at new or opening positions. Then from a massive application file.....There is a bottling and packaging company that works that way I know of, along with several other companies that operate that way also.....I learned from one of my best friends as he runs his tool building/ sharpening business this way....

His business has nothing but increased in size for the 30 years he's owned it. Now think of this. As these business's increase in size and profit - so does the workers pay in a direct proportion to the increase!

Still loving your underpaid factory job? A big company near me has just about the strangle hold on "Hitch" products for semi's...That would be WORLD wide dominance of the market!

The workers are in a union that used to actually work. it's now so weak that in the last 8 years the company has TRIPLED (began with 300 million in yearly profits. That doubled every 2 years for 6 and has dropped to a 150 million increase yearly sense) in size globally. They have not got one single decent wage increase! In fact. The cost of living raise was suspended by questionable math, built in the contract "forced" on them by threats of "sign it this way or we move the division out of the US" ! They work a natural 8 but the contract has mandatory Saturday's. you HAVE to work 2 straight - before you can "put in" for 1 off. The request can be denied.....Workers get NO bonus and the front office gets production bonus's based on yearly production figures.....Understand the mandatory Saturdays yet? Want a job? They do pay $18.95 and hr but, it'll take a new hire 10 years to reach that pay level (start at 14.00)....Want a job there? They have trouble keeping them filled!
 
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Resinxtractor

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One question for all the socialist out there? Under your socialist utopia is force and coercion going to be used to Intall your socialist utopian society?

It has failed all over the world over the last 100+ years but some demigod that never worked till he was 40 has got it all figured out?

Socialism is the most vile form of government and uses violence condoned in the name of the state to force it's will on the people.
 

Chunky Stool

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One question for all the socialist out there? Under your socialist utopia is force and coercion going to be used to Intall your socialist utopian society?

It has failed all over the world over the last 100+ years but some demigod that never worked till he was 40 has got it all figured out?

Socialism is the most vile form of government and uses violence condoned in the name of the state to force it's will on the people.
:roll:
Can I have your social security check when I retire? :eyesmoke:
 

st0wandgrow

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Unfettere capitalism does work, refer to ur nations history.
I suppose it depends on what your definition of "works" is. If you mean that it works to line the pockets of a very small percentage of the population and leaves everyone else in poverty, then yes, it has done a wonderful job of that.

If you think that it works for the majority of people, you are sorely mistaken. Just look at America. The top .5% own most of the wealth, and everyone else is struggling. The gap between the have's and have not's widens every single day. How is that working for the people?
 

st0wandgrow

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One question for all the socialist out there? Under your socialist utopia is force and coercion going to be used to Intall your socialist utopian society?

It has failed all over the world over the last 100+ years but some demigod that never worked till he was 40 has got it all figured out?

Socialism is the most vile form of government and uses violence condoned in the name of the state to force it's will on the people.
You don't have a very good handle on this. Where has socialism worked?? Canada, Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Switzerland, etc.

All kicking our ass in education, health care, life expectancy, average net worth, income inequality, overall HAPPINESS (yes, you talk to those folks and they're happier than us).

The better question is, where hasn't it worked?
 

BM9AGS

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I'm sorry. I meant to say dirty shit stain of a human. And Hillary is only slightly less awful IMHO

Someone that voted for either Hillary or trump to block the other candidate that they view as the leader of two evils I can appreciate. They both sucked.

trump is a hateful racist crotch grabbing asshole and a lotta "uneducated white males" according to NPR resonated with this awful message and voted for him. Not so much to block Hillary - they dug the animus he congured I avoid people like that, personally
You know trump personally? No so you're judging someone based off news and hating him? How is this different than some trailer trash telling his kid black people are bad and then the kid hating blacks? Huh?

You're just hating to hate because the news told you to. You've never met the person you're hating to see for yourself. And you're judging him. Pretty sure you should have more things in life than judging and hating people based on what you hear or read. Go accomplish something with all the energy you're using. Do something great. How about you be apart of a solution instead of compounding a problem???
 

BM9AGS

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Educated white male with a degree in paramedicine here. Voted trump. Tired of the same political propaganda year after year. Let's give the guy a chance before crucifying him.
Ohh look someone with a life accomplishment not judging another human based on what they heard or read on TV. AMAZING. Why doesn't this happen elsewhere? Maybe it's just better to riot and destroy our neighborhoods.....yeah that sounds better.....
 

Uberknot

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I suppose it depends on what your definition of "works" is. If you mean that it works to line the pockets of a very small percentage of the population and leaves everyone else in poverty, then yes, it has done a wonderful job of that.

If you think that it works for the majority of people, you are sorely mistaken. Just look at America. The top .5% own most of the wealth, and everyone else is struggling. The gap between the have's and have not's widens every single day. How is that working for the people?

Loving that trickle down for the last 30 years..........republican Plan again...

And FUCK Trump! I know we will watch for the first lie......impeach! :D

And you know he can't stop lying....only a matter of time.
 

Tyleb173rd

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We all love marijuana. This is something we can all agree on. Is that safe to say? Can we kill this thread and get back to that? We all have different beliefs but we all have one thing in common and we should be very thankful for that.

Let's put an end to this because one day we all may run into each other and I'd hate to have political beliefs ruin a joint smoking session.
 

st0wandgrow

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You know trump personally? No so you're judging someone based off news and hating him? How is this different than some trailer trash telling his kid black people are bad and then the kid hating blacks? Huh?

You're just hating to hate because the news told you to. You've never met the person you're hating to see for yourself. And you're judging him. Pretty sure you should have more things in life than judging and hating people based on what you hear or read. Go accomplish something with all the energy you're using. Do something great. How about you be apart of a solution instead of compounding a problem???
Oh boy. If I didn't know Rrog personally I'd let this comment slide...

He's one of the best people I know. College educated, self employed, early retirement due to being so successful, just built his own home complete with solar, under ground aquifer, huge garden, etc. He's very smart, and above all else is a great human being and steward of this planet. The earth would be a better place if there were a million more Rrogs.

You seriously picked the wrong guy to try and pigeon hole in to your lazy, angry liberal mold.
 

ttystikk

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One question for all the socialist out there? Under your socialist utopia is force and coercion going to be used to Intall your socialist utopian society?

It has failed all over the world over the last 100+ years but some demigod that never worked till he was 40 has got it all figured out?

Socialism is the most vile form of government and uses violence condoned in the name of the state to force it's will on the people.
Who told you this shit and why did you believe them without independently verifying it for yourself?
 

gold lion

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I would just like to point out the obvious.

The international community was calling this the intelligent test for the American people (yes, we were). U guys failed.
Dont despair u can resit the test in 4 years time.

the American people had no good choice. one wanted war with Russia and the other gives no fucks about climate change. there's no winning with choices like that
 

BM9AGS

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the American people had no good choice. one wanted war with Russia and the other gives no fucks about climate change. there's no winning with choices like that
America and Germany and some others in NATO are doing amazing compared to other countries. Pollution here in the Middle East is insane and any legislation happening in America or Europe won't do shit with these burger eaters. There are no rivers or lakes in all of Eastern Europe (turkey/Ukraine to the east coast of Russia)that isn't completely fucked. The earth will absorb it eventually so no matter how clean we keep the US or EU the whole world is fucked.

Bitching about some legislation that will make the cleanest countries more clean is pretty useless. Even implementing rules via sanctions on Arab countries won't do shit.

Give someone a billion dollars in a Muslim country to build a clean power plant and maybe 10% will go to building it. The rest goes in their bank accounts. The corruption is the same in Russia

I'd pick no nuke war because that's a far more livable earth. Sure can't control the ones pouluting the earth.
 
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