US mother accidentally shot dead by two-year-old son

[Mount]

Yes there are dumbasses who play with guns like they are toys. Those are the people who end up shooting themselves in the foot for not treating a gun with respect and make us responsible gun owners look bad

AMEN...

 

[UncleBuck]

Not going to sit here and argue with some "wanna be" hiding behind a computer screen.. those that like to comment about penis size are usually the ones with the small man hood...called small penis syndrome...

i've posted pictures of my penis many times on this forum. it is just a hair above average.

if what i said wasn't true, you wouldn't be so defensive.

 

[Mount]

i've posted pictures of my penis many times on this forum. it is just a hair above average.

if what i said wasn't true, you wouldn't be so defensive.

Well, some of us are above average you know..not only in IQ but height and manhood...

if you want an argument, it isnt going to be with me, you have proven your lack of common sense and courage already and to waste my time with you would just be a waste of my time.

 

[UncleBuck]

I never run... but prefer not to waste the time discussing this with you. Talking with the ignorant is a gross waste of time for me and those watching this thread...when you mature, if ever, drop me a note with your address and I will be more than happy to make the trip to discuss my perspective with you in person...

i can give you some pointers on when to use ellipses and when to use a period.

 

[Kasuti]

i've posted pictures of my penis many times on this forum. it is just a hair above average.

if what i said wasn't true, you wouldn't be so defensive.

Buckwheat you really need to quit talking about penises. You're inner Bruce Jenner is starting to show.

 

[Fogdog]

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Most times a gun performs it's function is when the gun owner uses it to kill himself. The next most frequent time a gun performs its function is when it kills or injures somebody by accident. This bit about needing a gun for protection in most cases is too rare an event to even worry about. You might as well worry about being struck by lightning. Those first two line items however are not rare or even uncommon in the US. People have difficulty evaluating low risk events and sometimes over react to them. Gun ownership "for protection" is a lie or at least self deception. Most people are safer if they don't own a gun.

Of course, this isn't always true. For instance, a person living in the boonies can't depend on anybody else for immediate defense and so a weapon to defend the household is needed. Not to mention other legitimate uses of a gun like hunting and target shooting. In the collection of fire arms pictured in @Mount 's post, all but one or two rifles aren't for hunting and/or competitive target shooting. As with that collection, most times, guns are owned "for defense". For must of us, that risk is insignificant yet the fear of it sits high enough on the fear factor list that people spend thousands of dollars "for defense". When in fact owning the gun makes most people less safe.

I don't own a gun and don't care if others do. Its not a concern of mine if a person offs himself with their gun. However, the US accident rate due to guns pisses me off. As Kasuti and others point out, a few simple precautions would eliminate most of these accidents. And it's not the Darwin effect either. That mother who died did nothing at all to cause this accident. It was her careless SO. Also, kids get killed all too often by accidents with guns. Can't blame them for their parents bad habits.

About 30% of all gun owners fit the "dumbass" category. And yet responsible gun owners look the other way as if it is no concern of theirs. Those dumbasses give other people who fear guns the excuse to react irrationally and try to legislate safety. That said, it wasn't too long ago that drunk driving accidents were treated the same way -- as if they were kind of inevitable. With stronger enforcement and education, we've seen a shift in attitudes and no longer look at DUI as almost a joke. Concurrently DUI fatalities are down. Eventually, people are going to try the same methods to improve gun safety. Just saying, that if the gun ownership community were to step up social pressure on the dumbasses to lock guns up or safety them properly, this might not come to pass.

 

[Mount]

Most times a gun performs is function is when the gun owner uses it to kill himself. The next most frequent time a gun performs its function is when it kills or injures somebody by accident. This bit about needing a gun for protection in most cases is too rare an event to even worry about. You might as well worry about being struck by lightning. Those first two line items however are not rare or even uncommon in the US. People have difficulty evaluating low risk events and sometimes over react to them. Gun ownership "for protection" is a lie or at least self deception. Most people are safer if they don't own a gun.

Of course, this isn't always true. For instance, a person living in the boonies can't depend on anybody else for immediate defense and so a weapon to defend the household is needed. Not to mention other legitimate uses of a gun like hunting and target shooting. In the collection of fire arms pictured in @Mount 's post, all but one or two rifles aren't for hunting and/or competitive target shooting. As with that collection, most times, guns are owned "for defense". For must of us, that risk is insignificant yet the fear of it sits high enough on the fear factor list that people spend thousands of dollars "for defense". When in fact owning the gun makes most people less safe.

I don't own a gun and don't care if others do. Its not a concern of mine if a person offs himself with their gun. However, the US accident rate due to guns pisses me off. As Kasuti and others point out, a few simple precautions would eliminate most of these accidents. And it's not the Darwin effect either. That mother who died did nothing at all to cause this accident. It was her careless SO. Also, kids get killed all too often by accidents with guns. Can't blame them for their parents bad habits.

About 30% of all gun owners fit the "dumbass" category. And yet responsible gun owners look the other way as if it is no concern of theirs. Those dumbasses give other people who fear guns the excuse to react irrationally and try to legislate safety. That said, it wasn't too long ago that drunk driving accidents were treated the same way -- as if they were kind of inevitable. With stronger enforcement and education, we've seen a shift in attitudes and no longer look at DUI as almost a joke. Concurrently DUI fatalities are down. Eventually, people are going to try the same methods to improve gun safety. Just saying, that if the gun ownership community were to step up social pressure on the dumbasses to lock guns up or safety them properly, this might not come to pass.

Agreed, well said... I prefer gun control and even psychiatric testing along with owner/operator testing of gun owners. I prefer to preserve my ability to own and if it means additional steps to acquire and collect, then so be it. I also believe the testing for driving should be more comprehensive and maybe some of our younger drivers would still be alive.

Some people collect coins, others collect cannabis seeds. Some of us like to collect tools and yes a firearm is a tool that has been around since the late 1300's.

What irks me is the blanket statements of "ban" guns... the gun is not the problem. The irresponsible owner is the issue. And to those of us that do own responsibly, when others make random blanket statements about gun control and banning, they fall into the same category as the irresponsible gun owners of the world.

 

[Rob Roy]

Referring to @mixchemical 's post, please tell us why the people of this country need more guns to defend themselves.

Because the use of defensive force is a moral act. The use of offensive force is not.

In order to "get rid of guns" you'd have to use offensive force to take them away from those who wish to have them.

Pretty simple stuff.

 

[Mount]

Because the use of defensive force is a moral act. The use of offensive force is not.

In order to "get rid of guns" you'd have to use offensive force to take them away from those who wish to have them.

Pretty simple stuff.

One other thing that needs to be done is to get the bleeding heart liberals out of law making and start making laws that actually get enforced that will actually punish those that use weapons in crime. Its about time we stopped allowing criminals who do harm to others to be slapped on the wrist. Other countries have stiff laws that are actually enforced, while we have tons of groups who cry for the criminals rights and we can't violate them..but what about the victims rights and the victims families rights???

 

[whitebb2727]

Well said.

Where is the chain of accountability for their chain of failures of responsibility?

Exactly. I'm a gun advocate. You also know I can't stand the stupid shit people do with guns. The guard needs to be charged with something. Any other adult in the car needs to be cited for the failure to put the 2 year old in a seat.

Its not that fucking hard people. It is a tool, yes. It is a tool that can kill and mame. Why do people not understand this.

I have a personal carry gun. If it is not on my person it is in a lock box. The box will open with a fingerprint, combination, key and bracelet. I can open that box in a second and defend myself.

Guess what. My kids can't open it.

 

[whitebb2727]

cowards like owning guns,makes them feel tough.

I'm sure that is true for some.

I hunt and feed my family with guns. For some of us it is our way of life.

I was also robbed at gunpoint at 16.

Everyone has the right to protect themselves. Guns are not the problem. Dumbass people with guns are the problem.

 

[ttystikk]

Exactly. I'm a gun advocate. You also know I can't stand the stupid shit people do with guns. The guard needs to be charged with something. Any other adult in the car needs to be cited for the failure to out the 2 year old in a seat.

Its not that fucking hard people. It is a tool, yes. It is a tool that can kill and mame. Why do people not understand this.

I have a personal carry gun. If it is not on my person it is in a lock box. The box will open with a fingerprint, combination, key and bracelet. I can open that box in a second and defend myself.

Guess what. My kids can't open it.

Preach, brother.

A gun is no more and no less deadly than the Chevy in your driveway. They both kill for exactly the same reasons; usually, stupidity is involved.

Yet, I see damn few people advocating for the elimination of cars due to excessive danger, even though the things kill 30-50,000 Americans every year.

It's all about responsible use, including keeping firearms secure in storage.

 

[whitebb2727]

Most times a gun performs it's function is when the gun owner uses it to kill himself. The next most frequent time a gun performs its function is when it kills or injures somebody by accident. This bit about needing a gun for protection in most cases is too rare an event to even worry about. You might as well worry about being struck by lightning. Those first two line items however are not rare or even uncommon in the US. People have difficulty evaluating low risk events and sometimes over react to them. Gun ownership "for protection" is a lie or at least self deception. Most people are safer if they don't own a gun.

Of course, this isn't always true. For instance, a person living in the boonies can't depend on anybody else for immediate defense and so a weapon to defend the household is needed. Not to mention other legitimate uses of a gun like hunting and target shooting. In the collection of fire arms pictured in @Mount 's post, all but one or two rifles aren't for hunting and/or competitive target shooting. As with that collection, most times, guns are owned "for defense". For must of us, that risk is insignificant yet the fear of it sits high enough on the fear factor list that people spend thousands of dollars "for defense". When in fact owning the gun makes most people less safe.

I don't own a gun and don't care if others do. Its not a concern of mine if a person offs himself with their gun. However, the US accident rate due to guns pisses me off. As Kasuti and others point out, a few simple precautions would eliminate most of these accidents. And it's not the Darwin effect either. That mother who died did nothing at all to cause this accident. It was her careless SO. Also, kids get killed all too often by accidents with guns. Can't blame them for their parents bad habits.

About 30% of all gun owners fit the "dumbass" category. And yet responsible gun owners look the other way as if it is no concern of theirs. Those dumbasses give other people who fear guns the excuse to react irrationally and try to legislate safety. That said, it wasn't too long ago that drunk driving accidents were treated the same way -- as if they were kind of inevitable. With stronger enforcement and education, we've seen a shift in attitudes and no longer look at DUI as almost a joke. Concurrently DUI fatalities are down. Eventually, people are going to try the same methods to improve gun safety. Just saying, that if the gun ownership community were to step up social pressure on the dumbasses to lock guns up or safety them properly, this might not come to pass.

You and I have talked about this.

I am very pro gun, including "assault" weapons.

I am also upset at the number of gun accidents.

Its not hard to follow a few simple precautions and it would almost eliminate these accidents.

 

[whitebb2727]

Peach, brother.

A gun is no more and no less deadly than the Chevy in your driveway. They both kill for exactly the same reasons; usually, stupidity is involved.

Yet, I see damn few people advocating for the elimination of cars due to excessive danger, even though the things kill 30-50,000 Americans every year.

It's all about responsible use, including keeping firearms secure in storage.

I think the key to it is early exposure and training. My kids are little and have pellet guns that we practice with.

I was raised with guns. I was also enrolled in numerous gun safety courses. My father also drilled it in to me.

Some people are stupid and careless. That shouldn't restrict me from safely owning guns.

 

[Mount]

I think the key to it is early exposure and training. My kids are little and have pellet guns that we practice with.

I was raised with guns. I was also enrolled in numerous gun safety courses. My father also drilled it in to me.

Some people are stupid and careless. That shouldn't restrict me from safely owning guns.

Yes, a few stupid, careless and uneducated people make responsible gun ownership a true challenge these days.

 

[whitebb2727]

Yes, a few stupid, careless and uneducated people make responsible gun ownership a true challenge these days.

Open carry is legal here. I do open carry sometimes. People do ask questions and that's why I do it. Educate people.

 

[Mount]

Open carry is legal here. I do open carry sometimes. People do ask questions and that's why I do it. Educate people.

We educate daily... personally I know that I have taught and educated at least 300 scouts in the last 2 years... we have been working with 10 different scout troops in my local area for the past 10 years... too many young ones to count and we ask that they bring the entire family, mom, dad, sisters, brothers and even friends, neighbors or anyone who wants to be part of our 3 evening session... to many of us, shooting is just as fun as fishing, growing, running, dragging racing, boxing, MMA or any other sport or hobby.

 

[UncleBuck]

We educate daily... personally I know that I have taught and educated at least 300 scouts in the last 2 years... we have been working with 10 different scout troops in my local area for the past 10 years... too many young ones to count and we ask that they bring the entire family, mom, dad, sisters, brothers and even friends, neighbors or anyone* who wants to be part of our 3 evening session... to many of us, shooting is just as fun as fishing, growing, running, dragging racing, boxing, MMA or any other sport or hobby.

*as long as they aren't gay, of course.

 

[Chef420]

Hi. Canadian here.
I don't like handguns. They scare me. I've never held one but I would like to have a go at a firing range.
We have gun violence up here and mostly from illegal hand guns. We can't own them but somehow the bad element get a hold of them.
I think that it's the number of guns out there floating around. Simple as that. If you ban them altogether there would still be gun violence. Somehow, someway, just by sheer numbers it's bound to happen randomly. No matter how many are stored properly or how many are trained it doesn't matter.
Now I'd like to smoke my last cigarette and no need for the blindfold...

 

[Chef420]

So how does a two year old aim and fire a hand gun..?

Excellent technique. Ninja tactics. Throw the grenade then run like hell.