Best way to combat pythium and root rot in all hydroponic growing methods.

Budley Doright

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As for painting the upper lid black that's what I did as well and yes it blocked light but caused the interior of the tote to get up into the high 70's. I insulated the tote and lowered the temps in the root zone. I did a number of things when I got hit and threw everything I had at it so picking one definitive thing is impossible but with the chiller, hydroguard and insulating, everything is doing real well.
 

OGMMJ

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Good to know! That's a good thought I will move my thermometer for my water up into the ambient air inside the root area, (inside the upper tub in my case) and see what those temps are, that could possibly be getting to warm; only thing is with the tent max temp at 70 and my water at 62 I'm not sure the root zone temps are going to be to high, also there is only a 250 watt CFL over the vegger and th cloner. I was considering floating a bag of activated carbon in my stored ro water, but I do not see any growth in that container, I'm thinking it was just my mistake of adding EVERYTHING but bennies So basically when I got the rot i had
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And I'm assuming all that without any hydroguard or pondzyme created a perfect environment for bad bacteria growth, hoping with my new light proof tub and Rez change to just base grow and h2o2 it won't come back, but my issue is the plants sitting in the tub already have the rot, so won't I just get it immediately once the peroxide fades off? The hydroguard and pondzyme will be here by Tuesday, probably the hydroguard tomorrow, Amazon prime :)
 

Budley Doright

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Good to know! That's a good thought I will move my thermometer for my water up into the ambient air inside the root area, (inside the upper tub in my case) and see what those temps are, that could possibly be getting to warm; only thing is with the tent max temp at 70 and my water at 62 I'm not sure the root zone temps are going to be to high, also there is only a 250 watt CFL over the vegger and th cloner. I was considering floating a bag of activated carbon in my stored ro water, but I do not see any growth in that container, I'm thinking it was just my mistake of adding EVERYTHING but bennies So basically when I got the rot i had
Botanicare kind base and grow
Liquid karma
Ph down
Pure blend pro tea

And I'm assuming all that without any hydroguard or pondzyme created a perfect environment for bad bacteria growth, hoping with my new light proof tub and Rez change to just base grow and h2o2 it won't come back, but my issue is the plants sitting in the tub already have the rot, so won't I just get it immediately once the peroxide fades off? The hydroguard and pondzyme will be here by Tuesday, probably the hydroguard tomorrow, Amazon prime :)
Yes check the root zone just to see. And yup it's there and you'll need to keep it at bay at least until your stuff arrives. And I'm not saying H2O2 doesn't work, just not for me lol. Charcoal does not kill anything FYI just removes odours. Maybe just sterilize the shit out of the Rez with peroxide if you don't refill it. I did have a bit of a light leak in my new setup but it just seemed to stop roots from growing where it was, didn't turn em brown. Good luck and hope it goes well.
 

OGMMJ

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Yes check the root zone just to see. And yup it's there and you'll need to keep it at bay at least until your stuff arrives. And I'm not saying H2O2 doesn't work, just not for me lol. Charcoal does not kill anything FYI just removes odours. Maybe just sterilize the shit out of the Rez with peroxide if you don't refill it. I did have a bit of a light leak in my new setup but it just seemed to stop roots from growing where it was, didn't turn em brown. Good luck and hope it goes well.
Thanks a lot man! I will scrub the Rez with peroxide and then put just half tap water half RO and I'll put roughly 15mls per gallon of the 3% h2o2 and I will report back after 24 hours or so, when my hydroguard arrives i will run that along side of base and grow and do you think I should add lk or pure blend pro tea or should I run just the base and grow and HG for a week or so and wait and see if it gets better before adding bennies ?
 

J Henry

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I will scrub the Rez with peroxide and then put just half tap water half RO and I'll put roughly 15mls per gallon of the 3% h2o2 and I will report back after 24 hours or so, when my hydroguard arrives i will run that along side of base and grow and do you think I should add lk or pure blend pro tea or should I run just the base and grow and HG for a week or so and wait and see if it gets better before adding bennies ?
It’s may be cheaper and easier to buy dope from Bud than trying to grow it. Too much lost time, cost and aggravation treating rot diseases and that gets real old after 1-2-5 outbreaks and crop failures. Keep the chiller running 24/7, keep the water cold and still catch a dose; how in the world can that happen?

All this stuff, time and angst just to treat a big dose of root rot… and what then when all this fails? Buy new stuff, buckets, pumps, tubes and start over.

Just wondering… how much did you pay for this stuff?

Botanicare kind; base and grow
Liquid karma
Pure blend pro tea
Hydroguard
Pondzyme

Hydrogen peroxide

Clorox

Water chiller
Ph down


Preventing a dose of the root rot disease is cheaper. All you need to do is keep the plants and the bennies heathy… but that can be challenging. If you fail to keep the plants and the bennies healthy… you will catch a dose of the root rot.
 

OGMMJ

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It’s may be cheaper and easier to buy dope from Bud than trying to grow it. Too much lost time, cost and aggravation treating rot diseases and that gets real old after 1-2-5 outbreaks and crop failures. Keep the chiller running 24/7, keep the water cold and still catch a dose; how in the world can that happen?

All this stuff, time and angst just to treat a big dose of root rot… and what then when all this fails? Buy new stuff, buckets, pumps, tubes and start over.

Just wondering… how much did you pay for this stuff?

Botanicare kind; base and grow
Liquid karma
Pure blend pro tea
Hydroguard
Pondzyme

Hydrogen peroxide

Clorox

Water chiller
Ph down


Preventing a dose of the root rot disease is cheaper. All you need to do is keep the plants and the bennies heathy… but that can be challenging. If you fail to keep the plants and the bennies healthy… you will catch a dose of the root rot.
Is this real? Why in the world would you be on a growing forum recommending people to "buy dope" I have had much success in the past and I will continue in the future this is the first two weeks of a brand new system to me, I think I'll get the kinks worked out, but thanks for you help man lol.
 

Budley Doright

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It’s may be cheaper and easier to buy dope from Bud than trying to grow it. Too much lost time, cost and aggravation treating rot diseases and that gets real old after 1-2-5 outbreaks and crop failures. Keep the chiller running 24/7, keep the water cold and still catch a dose; how in the world can that happen?

All this stuff, time and angst just to treat a big dose of root rot… and what then when all this fails? Buy new stuff, buckets, pumps, tubes and start over.

Just wondering… how much did you pay for this stuff?

Botanicare kind; base and grow
Liquid karma
Pure blend pro tea
Hydroguard
Pondzyme

Hydrogen peroxide

Clorox

Water chiller
Ph down


Preventing a dose of the root rot disease is cheaper. All you need to do is keep the plants and the bennies heathy… but that can be challenging. If you fail to keep the plants and the bennies healthy… you will catch a dose of the root rot.
I charge $200 an ounce so nope probably not :(.
 

Budley Doright

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Thanks a lot man! I will scrub the Rez with peroxide and then put just half tap water half RO and I'll put roughly 15mls per gallon of the 3% h2o2 and I will report back after 24 hours or so, when my hydroguard arrives i will run that along side of base and grow and do you think I should add lk or pure blend pro tea or should I run just the base and grow and HG for a week or so and wait and see if it gets better before adding bennies ?
I just run the base nutes and hydroguard as well as vitanimo, both at half the recommended dose, seems to work well.
 

OGMMJ

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Awesome thanks again bud, for now I will let it run its course and watch for the rot to spread and when the hydroguard gets here in the next day or so I will remix the Rez solution with just bontanicare base and botanicare grow as well as the hydroguard. You do not run h2o2 if running hydroguard correct? Hydroguard is beneficial bacteria ?
 

Budley Doright

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Awesome thanks again bud, for now I will let it run its course and watch for the rot to spread and when the hydroguard gets here in the next day or so I will remix the Rez solution with just bontanicare base and botanicare grow as well as the hydroguard. You do not run h2o2 if running hydroguard correct? Hydroguard is beneficial bacteria ?
Correct :). Also I would make sure all of the H2O2 has been flushed before adding it.
 

OGMMJ

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Correct :). Also I would make sure all of the H2O2 has been flushed before adding it.
Thanks!! I promise I am well educated on the subject lol just this algae out of no where through me through a loop, thought I had a good understanding of what caused root rot and algae growth and had it under control, but seems I was missing one of the most important parts over temps and water quality and that's beneficial microbes :wall: should have thought that through from my knowledge from brewing ewc teas for outdoor soil grows.

Anyways much excited for the hydroguard and thick healthy white roots 8-) (until the humid acid dyes them brown again)

One more question if you don't mind me asking you mentioned not having secondary roots yet, I was kind of wondering that myself as it seems the plants are still shooting roots straight down all clumped together like they are searching for water when I thought they should be "spider webbing" off one another, my timer runs for 50 seconds on and 5 minutes off, not sure why the roots are growing the way they are. :-x
 

Budley Doright

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Thanks!! I promise I am well educated on the subject lol just this algae out of no where through me through a loop, thought I had a good understanding of what caused root rot and algae growth and had it under control, but seems I was missing one of the most important parts over temps and water quality and that's beneficial microbes :wall: should have thought that through from my knowledge from brewing ewc teas for outdoor soil grows.

Anyways much excited for the hydroguard and thick healthy white roots 8-) (until the humid acid dyes them brown again)

One more question if you don't mind me asking you mentioned not having secondary roots yet, I was kind of wondering that myself as it seems the plants are still shooting roots straight down all clumped together like they are searching for water when I thought they should be "spider webbing" off one another, my timer runs for 50 seconds on and 5 minutes off, not sure why the roots are growing the way they are. :-x
I found using H2O2 that the clumping never went away and that was a sign that the rot was still there. If you go to my OH ZONE thread there are some pics of different roots, rotten to healthy. Do you have pics of what I have going on? I can't get my lid open to take any, I'm a week from harvest lol.
 

OGMMJ

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I found using H2O2 that the clumping never went away and that was a sign that the rot was still there. If you go to my OH ZONE thread there are some pics of different roots, rotten to healthy. Do you have pics of what I have going on? I can't get my lid open to take any, I'm a week from harvest lol.
Hey I snapped a pic of my roots when I lift up my lid and moved my thermometer to underneath a net pot, still hasn't went above 65 but It might rise overnight seeing as my light is running 24/7 right now in the tent
 

J Henry

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Is this real? Why in the world would you be on a growing forum recommending people to "buy dope" I have had much success in the past and I will continue in the future this is the first two weeks of a brand new system to me, I think I'll get the kinks worked out, but thanks for you help man lol.
No problem. Just thought it may be cheaper to buy dope if the root rot a is eating you up already, that's all. This out really catastrophic with a new 2 week old system to take a disease hit that quickly.

Bud is selling his dope on the this site for $200/oz may be a decent deal if Bud delivers it too.
 

Budley Doright

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No problem. Just thought it may be cheaper to buy dope if the root rot a is eating you up already, that's all. This out really catastrophic with a new 2 week old system to take a disease hit that quickly.

Bud is selling his dope on the this site for $200/oz may be a decent deal if Bud delivers it too.
Actually bud doesn't sell any, I have a hard time not buying any lol. I'm always getting into a grow before its prime, cutting buds here and there. Like right now lol. I did just buy a few grams at the dispensary and it was $10 a gram so still doubt it's cheaper buying it. You should know this being a grower??? And OGM, ummm ya that's bad :(. One of Mine was like that too and I thought there was no way it would make it and yup it did lol. I also was running around .4 EC, once they recovered they were wanting a bit higher nute levels. I am looking for a amino acid supplement to replace the Vitanimo as well. That seems to have eliminated the blotching on the leaves.
 

OGMMJ

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Actually bud doesn't sell any, I have a hard time not buying any lol. I'm always getting into a grow before its prime, cutting buds here and there. Like right now lol. I did just buy a few grams at the dispensary and it was $10 a gram so still doubt it's cheaper buying it. You should know this being a grower??? And OGM, ummm ya that's bad :(. One of Mine was like that too and I thought there was no way it would make it and yup it did lol. I also was running around .4 EC, once they recovered they were wanting a bit higher nute levels. I am looking for a amino acid supplement to replace the Vitanimo as well. That seems to have eliminated the blotching on the leaves.
So you think I should let it roll with h2o2 still until the hydroguard gets here? And what do you think caused this so quickly!??
 

Budley Doright

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Yes and hope their salvageable if your intent in keeping them. Not sure of the cause. Your running the same setup as I was. I only ran sprayer's for 3 runs and back to flood and drain lol. I get less blockages and less issues with the latter. My issue was temps I believe.
 

OGMMJ

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Yes and hope their salvageable if your intent in keeping them. Not sure of the cause. Your running the same setup as I was. I only ran sprayer's for 3 runs and back to flood and drain lol. I get less blockages and less issues with the latter. My issue was temps I believe.
Alright thanks a lot! I'll see what happens with them over the time until the HG gets here, checked my root temp after about 12 hours and the root area is still only 63 degrees, so I don't believe that was the answer either, maybe it could have came from my cloner which I run 24/7 to keep the temps up more around 70-72 and I run nothing but RO water, I think when my hg gets here I will start fresh with some new seedlings I'm germing and run half tap water half RO water in the cloner, anything you ran in your cloner to prevent the funk? Off hand I'm thinking I'll mix RO and tap and then run 10ml a gallon peroxide ?
 
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