Bernie rebounds with overflow crowd...

[Rob Roy]

the fact that he talks like this..he has no real issues..no real concern about our country..or is waaaaaaay off his meds..

I don't take prescription medicine and rarely take anything that can be bought off the shelf, my lady is an herbalist and fixes me up. I eat right and exercise daily, plus I have a clean conscience.

I also have supported myself since I was a teenager, a very long time ago. I don't like to impose on other people or be part of redistributing their stuff....do you know anybody like that?

 

[natro.hydro]

If you wouldn't kill the product of a loving relationship because you believe it is wrong to kill the unborn, how is the unborn product of a nonloving realtionship (rape) somehow "guilty" of anything? Doesn't that being deserve a chance at life too?

The person that is the dickhead is the person that raped, not his potential offspring.

Although I admit it might make for some interesting conversation, "hey you don't look like your brother and sister very much...."

So you are good with josef fritzl's fucked uo offspring walking this earth? Cus those kids are gonna not have serious psych problems given their origins

 

[Rob Roy]

So you are good with josef fritzl's fucked uo offspring walking this earth? Cus those kids are gonna not have serious psych problems given their origins

No, I said if I were a woman I'd have a hard time getting an abortion. If other women want to, that's not something I'm going to use force to stop them from doing.

Also, I don't who josef fritzl is. Why would his offspring be automatically fucked up, does he carry a "fucked up" gene ?

 

[natro.hydro]

No, I said if I were a woman I'd have a hard time getting an abortion. If other women want to, that's not something I'm going to use force to stop them from doing.

Also, I don't who who josef fritzl is. Why would his offspring be automatically fucked up, does he carry a "fucked up" gene ?

Google it. Some heinous shit, on par with guy who kidnapped and repeatedly raped those women for a decade in ohio.,

You made it sound like your stance is that every phetus from time of conception has a right to life and I disagree. If thar isnt your stance then sorry I misinterpreted your post

 

[Rob Roy]

Google it. Some heinous shit, on par with guy who kidnapped and repeatedly raped those women for a decade in ohio.,

You made it sound like your stance is that every phetus from time of conception has a right to life and I disagree. If thar isnt your stance then sorry I misinterpreted your post

Certainly a heinous person is something to watch out for. I'm a little unclear if you are implying that the offspring of a heinous person will automatically be a heinous person also. I've met some people who had horrible parents, yet they were kind and intelligent people.

My stance is that I'd have a hard time aborting a fetus. I don't know when it "becomes human", but I do know at some stage prior to birth it can feel pain. I'm not out to run others lives though, so I appreciate that you might have a different take on things.

 

[natro.hydro]

Certainly a heinous person is something to watch out for. I'm a little unclear if you are implying that the offspring of a heinous person will automatically be a heinous person also. I've met some people who had horrible parents, yet they were kind and intelligent people.

My stance is that I'd have a hard time aborting a fetus. I don't know when it "becomes human", but I do know at some stage prior to birth it can feel pain. I'm not out to run others lives though, so I appreciate that you might have a different take on things.

Ya but I guess I feel that a child born out of heinous acts cant have the same quality of life as you or I given the immense burden of the fact that they even exist. Its pretty hard for me to definitevly say since I am not a child of rape, BUT if I was I think I might want to kill myself. Simply for the fact that just about every time my mom looks at me she would be reminded of the most terrible moment of her life.

 

[ttystikk]

Ya but I guess I feel that a child born out of heinous acts cant have the same quality of life as you or I given the immense burden of the fact that they even exist. Its pretty hard for me to definitevly say since I am not a child of rape, BUT if I was I think I might want to kill myself. Simply for the fact that just about every time my mom looks at me she would be reminded of the most terrible moment of her life.

But not all moms feel that way, and thus I believe mom should be able to make her own damn decisions about her life, her family and her future.

Not refuting your post, just adding in what I thought was missing; support for people to be responsible about their own lives.

 

[Rob Roy]

Ya but I guess I feel that a child born out of heinous acts cant have the same quality of life as you or I given the immense burden of the fact that they even exist. Its pretty hard for me to definitevly say since I am not a child of rape, BUT if I was I think I might want to kill myself. Simply for the fact that just about every time my mom looks at me she would be reminded of the most terrible moment of her life.

To transcend that moment would give her a greater understanding, but I can see where it would be difficult for many people to do and not be reminded.

I think once a person is alive, staying alive is a primary concern. You are only responsible for your own actions, not the actions of a hypothetical rapist father.

How would your killing yourself bring justice to anything?

 

[natro.hydro]

But not all moms feel that way, and thus I believe mom should be able to make her own damn decisions about her life, her family and her future.

Not refuting your post, just adding in what I thought was missing; support for people to be responsible about their own lives.

Right on, I prob should have clarified my stance as pro choice. Rereading my comment some might think I want all babies conceived from rape aborted and that isnt the case.
I just think that anyone even slightly familiar with child psych development knows that some shit just cant be undone and horrible people are made everyday as a direct result of horrible parenting. Then there are those who were never gonna be a good person no matter their upbringing.

 

[Rob Roy]

Right on, I prob should have clarified my stance as pro choice. Rereading my comment some might think I want all babies conceived from rape aborted and that isnt the case.
I just think that anyone even slightly familiar with child psych development knows that some shit just cant be undone and horrible people are made everyday as a direct result of horrible parenting. Then there are those who were never gonna be a good person no matter their upbringing.

I appreciate you clarifying your position. Peace.

 

[natro.hydro]

How would your killing yourself bring justice to anything?

What justice is there to be had at all from a child of rape? The suicide wouldnt be about justice or vindication, as most suicides are it would just be about escape. No offence, but you have obviously never contemplated if your life were not to exist. Not to say that Is a bad thing, but if you havent been suicidal ever it is hard to imagine a pain so great that can make someone take their own life.

 

[bearkat42]

Google it. Some heinous shit, on par with guy who kidnapped and repeatedly raped those women for a decade in ohio.

Just watched a movie about that the other day called "Cleveland Abduction". My wife walked out on it because it was so fucking brutal.

 

[ttystikk]

Right on, I prob should have clarified my stance as pro choice. Rereading my comment some might think I want all babies conceived from rape aborted and that isnt the case.
I just think that anyone even slightly familiar with child psych development knows that some shit just cant be undone and horrible people are made everyday as a direct result of horrible parenting. Then there are those who were never gonna be a good person no matter their upbringing.

Freakonomics discusses at length the link between a falling crime rate in this country and the legalization of abortion. The bottom line seems to be that by and large, mothers are capable of determining whether their circumstances can support the upbringing of a child. If outside influence forces a mom to carry and keep that baby, what is the most likely outcome?

 

[Rob Roy]

What justice is there to be had at all from a child of rape? The suicide wouldnt be about justice or vindication, as most suicides are it would just be about escape. No offence, but you have obviously never contemplated if your life were not to exist. Not to say that Is a bad thing, but if you havent been suicidal ever it is hard to imagine a pain so great that can make someone take their own life.

I've been frustrated before, but not suicidal. I'm not trying to minimize any persons pain, and your right, I can't experience it for them.

Although I think a person born from a rape or from a loving relationship has just as much possibility to be a good person or a bad person, unless there is a bonafide genetic fuckup in there somewhere.

We can't change how our existence occurred. I think it's not how we got here, but what we do or don't do, when we are here.

 

[UncleBuck]

No, I am stating that laws which prevent people who are capable of giving consent from doing a given thing are oppressive.

but 13 year olds cannot consent to have sex with an adult.

i am not sure why you refuse to recognize this.

 

[UncleBuck]

If you wouldn't kill the product of a loving relationship because you believe it is wrong to kill the unborn, how is the unborn product of a nonloving realtionship (rape) somehow "guilty" of anything? Doesn't that being deserve a chance at life too?

The person that is the dickhead is the person that raped, not his potential offspring.

Although I admit it might make for some interesting conversation, "hey you don't look like your brother and sister very much...."

lol, arguing for the sanctity of rape babies that is, when he's not too busy advocating for pedophilia and racial segregation.

you are a good little republican.

 

[UncleBuck]

I don't like to impose on other people or be part of redistributing their stuff....do you know anybody like that?

yep, you.

that land you live on was stolen by force and murder from the natives and redistributed to racist pedo thieves like you.

 

[UncleBuck]

Freakonomics discusses at length the link between a falling crime rate in this country and the legalization of abortion. The bottom line seems to be that by and large, mothers are capable of determining whether their circumstances can support the upbringing of a child. If outside influence forces a mom to carry and keep that baby, what is the most likely outcome?

freakanomics is debunked bullshit.

 

[Rob Roy]

yep, you.

that land you live on was stolen by force and murder from the natives and redistributed to racist pedo thieves like you.

So, when you say "racist pedo thieves", do you mean I steal racist pedos or that I'm a racist pedo thief who would discriminate in thievery and pedoism based on race? That foreskin flapping around in your mouth makes it difficult to distinguish what you're saying.

 

[UncleBuck]

So, when you say "racist pedo thieves", do you mean I steal racist pedos or that I'm a racist pedo thief who would discriminate in thievery and pedoism based on race? That foreskin flapping around in your mouth makes it difficult to distinguish what you're saying.

i am saying you are a racist, you are a pedophile, and you are a thief.