Nutrient companies are stealing our / your money. Lets talk about it!

[chuck estevez]

HAHAHA! Yes I am in support of greedy corporations! If I had the chance to start a huge corp you bet your ass I would! What makes them greedy? The fact that they want to make money? that's not greedy! Have they raised the price on their products since purchasing it? no they havent.
It's called good business to expand. You try to make as much money as you can, are you greedy? just because they are on a larger scale doesn't mean they are greedy. Have you seen the amount of donations those companies make, companies don't have to give anything, do anything but they have. Just because you can write off donations on taxes it doesn't mean you saved money. They still don't have the money they gave away, big deal they don't have to pay taxes on money they don't have. I would rather pay 30% taxes and still have my other 70%

How will they ruin marijuana as we know it? I don't even use their products, I make my own...

GMO weed, DUH they only owned it for less than 6 months. give them time.

 

[unspecified]

what a GREAT company

Sale of bird seed in 2005–2008[edit]
On January 27, 2012, Scotts Miracle-Gro agreed to plead guilty in federal court and pay $4.5 million in fines for selling 73 million units of bird seed from November 2005 to March 2008 that was coated with pesticide known to be deadly to birds and fish. Pesticides were added to protect the product from insects during storage, notwithstanding that Storcide II, one of the pesticides used, was clearly marked as extremely toxic to birds. Records show that its own experts warned of the risk in the summer and fall of 2007 and yet Scotts continued to sell the deadly product until March 2008. In 2008, Scotts Miracle-Gro also falsified pesticide registration numbers required by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency on its products.[5]

On September 7, 2012, in Ohio, a federal court sentenced Scotts to pay a $4 million fine and perform community service for 11 criminal violations of the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide and Rodenticide Act (FIFRA). In a separate agreement with the Environmental Protection Agency, Scotts agreed to pay more than $6 million in penalties and spend $2 million on environmental projects. According to the Justice Department, both the criminal and civil settlements are the largest under FIFRA to date.[6]

Don't forget the Corn corps that monty grew that they weren't supposed to and ended up in court over it.

How many rules are you playing by growing

 

[unspecified]

GMO weed, DUH they only owned it for less than 6 months. give them time.

Don't use their products... I don't... No GMO weed for me... LOL!

 

[chuck estevez]

Don't use their products... I don't... No GMO weed for me... LOL!

"HAHAHA! Yes I am in support of greedy corporations!"
your words, plus, just you here in this thread, offering up the use of their products, puts you in support of them. Just sayin!!

 

[unspecified]

Supreme Court hands Monsanto victory over farmers on GMO seed patents, ability to sue

Monty can sue you if their crop contaminates yours and it grows! Gotta love big business!

 

[unspecified]

"HAHAHA! Yes I am in support of greedy corporations!"
your words, plus, just you here in this thread, offering up the use of their products, puts you in support of them. Just sayin!!

I never denied being in support of them! I fully support big business, I hope to be that success full one day where I can pay millions in court fines and still have enough to buy GH!

 

[unspecified]

In a June 2013 ruling, the US Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit in Washington, DC said it was inevitable, as the farmers’ argued, that contamination from Monsanto’s products would occur. Yet the appeals panel also said the plaintiffs do not have standing to prohibit Monsanto from suing them should the company’s genetic traits end up on their holdings "because Monsanto has made binding assurances that it will not 'take legal action against growers whose crops might inadvertently contain traces of Monsanto biotech genes (because, for example, some transgenic seed or pollen blew onto the grower's land).'"

 

[unspecified]

"HAHAHA! Yes I am in support of greedy corporations!"
your words, plus, just you here in this thread, offering up the use of their products, puts you in support of them. Just sayin!!

I wasn't offering up the use of their products either. simply stating that if you do purchase their products unaware of what you're purchasing or how it works isn't stealing your money and that there is plenty of science behind them. A product isn't bad because it's made/sold by a large company or has a flashy label.
Trix cereal is damn good and has a super flashy label and sold by a big company, every company knows flashy colors catch the eye so you look at them first.

even if they do make GMO weed, it won't be the only option...

 

[bicit]

Simple solution(no pun intended), buy your own raw salts and mix it yourself.

https://www.customhydronutrients.com/zencart/

 

[bicit]

As ppl mention IMO Dyna-Gro, Jack's, Humboldt County, Dutch Masters, Atami are bottom of the barrel nutrients. They dont produce good yields, the quality is terrible, and aroma and flavor is awful. Since these products are primarily pure synthetics that is a given. If u dont have $$ any of them will work as they are cheap as the dirt u use but I would never use any of them to grow at all.

Nutrients are nutrients. There is nothing that AN does that jacks and the others do not. All that matters is the ratios which can be manipulated. If so desired anything advanced nutrients makes can be copied and made at home from raw salts for a much lower price.

Why pay a premium for bottled water?

 

[Fogdog]

There is plenty of science behind them! look into GH. They aren't a weed nutrient business. They are a nutrient company based on science and mass producing any type of fruit or veggie. It's doctors and scientists that started the company.

using a flashy bottle is obviously to catch your but in no way means it's junk. What a terrible way to select wine as well! I live in wine country, I drive through vineyards to get to my property, my family works in the wine business, I get free wine all the time and that is a terrible way to judge! There is an old saying for this! Don't judge a book by it's cover!

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply anything about that this particular product. I'm just here to learn. I stand by my statement that whether the wine is good or bad or the nutrients in a bottle are good or bad, the label has nothing to do with the quality in the bottle. Those flashy labels are to grab attention and sell wine or nutrients regardless of quality and so I'm suspicious, that's all. Yes trying the product is the best way to choose a wine. Oregon has some fine wine as well. Its wonderful to go on a tasting tour and check out product before you buy. Can't do that with a bottle of nutrients. Must read and learn first.

 

[unspecified]

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply anything about that this particular product. I'm just here to learn. I stand by my statement that whether the wine is good or bad or the nutrients in a bottle are good or bad, the label has nothing to do with the quality in the bottle. Those flashy labels are to grab attention and sell wine or nutrients regardless of quality and so I'm suspicious, that's all. Yes trying the product is the best way to choose a wine. Oregon has some fine wine as well. Its wonderful to go on a tasting tour and check out product before you buy. Can't do that with a bottle of nutrients. Must read and learn first.

Alot of companies do offer sample sets or starter kits to see if you like their products. Alot of them make smaller bottles to give away at conventions and to give away at hydro stores. if you email the companies and say you are thinking about trying their product and want to know if they have samples, they usually send them out free or for the cost of shipping.
http://www.madhatternutrients.com/free-sample/
I don't use them but they offer free samples to get you to switch if you like it. Almost all nutrient companies will set you up with something if you contact them and ask. even if they don't have anything free at the time, it doesn't hurt to ask.

 

[Fogdog]

l.
Trix cereal is damn good and has a super flashy label and sold by a big company, every company knows flashy colors catch the eye so you look at them first.

Well, this is one point where I must disagree. You think Trix are good, I don't. But no matter. As far as packaging goes, yes, it triggers an innate response. Marketers take advantage of that. Its up to us to understand that. To me -- and this is just my opinion -- I see this as a signal that somebody may be selling me cereal that is empty of nutrition or a bottle of water and some cheap chemicals at a premium and am leery.

Alot of companies do offer sample sets or starter kits to see if you like their products. Alot of them make smaller bottles to give away at conventions and to give away at hydro stores. if you email the companies and say you are thinking about trying their product and want to know if they have samples, they usually send them out free or for the cost of shipping.
http://www.madhatternutrients.com/free-sample/
I don't use them but they offer free samples to get you to switch if you like it. Almost all nutrient companies will set you up with something if you contact them and ask. even if they don't have anything free at the time, it doesn't hurt to ask.

Thanks for the tip regarding samples. I might look into this. Given the cost of seed or clones and the time invested in a grow, I'm more interested in making an informed choice than sampling but I might if I can't decide any other way.

 

[phil k]

GMO weed, DUH they only owned it for less than 6 months. give them time.

haha wholly shit could you imagine seeing monsanto nugs... if it decriminalizes you know they will... jesus i can see it now... pot grown with chemicals that would kill a kid....but makes monsantos bud strains fucking pine trees!!

 

[phil k]

Nutrients are nutrients. There is nothing that AN does that jacks and the others do not. All that matters is the ratios which can be manipulated. If so desired anything advanced nutrients makes can be copied and made at home from raw salts for a much lower price.

Why pay a premium for bottled water?

yep ... absolutely.. BUT there are some companies that do use lower quality amendments..or extract from lower quality product.. but nutes are nutes.. bottom line.. i grew up on a farm and all we ever did was transfer crops yearly so that if we grew soybeans next year we'd grind the soy leftovers ingot the soil... plant corn and the high nitrogen fed the corn gave it sugars etc.. everything it needed.. then grind the corn talks in spread some shit... plant soy do it again.... some year plant some wheats to increase the soil fertility and take less out... i mean growing is very very basic no matter what you do.. its environment... food water sun.. and most don't get how little food is required... i know people here that run 3900ppm in flower and somehow think they are the man because they run the levels they run and their plants are big... well quality never equality quantity.....

 

[phil k]

Nutrients are nutrients. There is nothing that AN does that jacks and the others do not. All that matters is the ratios which can be manipulated. If so desired anything advanced nutrients makes can be copied and made at home from raw salts for a much lower price.

Why pay a premium for bottled water?

have you ever stuck a PPM meter on bottled water?? evian.. runs 300+ppm my tap is 176ppm.... no filter.. HELLO wake up we are all being screwed more than we know.

 

[bicit]

yep ... absolutely.. BUT there are some companies that do use lower quality amendments..or extract from lower quality product.. but nutes are nutes.. bottom line.. i grew up on a farm and all we ever did was transfer crops yearly so that if we grew soybeans next year we'd grind the soy leftovers ingot the soil... plant corn and the high nitrogen fed the corn gave it sugars etc.. everything it needed.. then grind the corn talks in spread some shit... plant soy do it again.... some year plant some wheats to increase the soil fertility and take less out... i mean growing is very very basic no matter what you do.. its environment... food water sun.. and most don't get how little food is required... i know people here that run 3900ppm in flower and somehow think they are the man because they run the levels they run and their plants are big... well quality never equality quantity.....

Really? 3900ppm? How?

I can't push past 1600 without killing things. 800-1k seems to be the sweet spot.

 

[phil k]

Really? 3900ppm? How?

I can't push past 1600 without killing things. 800-1k seems to be the sweet spot.

i am in no way at all joking with you .. in ann arbor, MI at "the grow show" theres a guy there that has braids and glasses he runs hydro ... we have talked for years about his insane chemical amounts and his last flower in winter was running 3800-3900ppm and I SHIT YOU NOT he thought for some reason he was this god for running PPM levels that high..

 

[phil k]

everything can adjust over time.. especially if your flushing properly on a weekly basis .. I'm not saying its right but all plants will adjust to envirmoent.. Im not backing him I've never ever actually seen his grows.. seen the PPM levels..or smoked his flower i just know what he says and states..

 

[anzohaze]

And you

To answer ur question easily. Companies like AN developed a lineup so u can create ur nutrient profile specific to the needs of individual strains. They also have nutrients in so many bottles bcuz they understand that in order to have direct control of ur grows u need to be able to use certain amounts of macro and micro nutrients and other elements bcuz every strain grows differently

There isnt just one bottle of anything that can provide all of the needs of ur plants so they provide everything u need to use in each form so u can apply them as needed.

Also AN nutrients r chelated and broken down to the best possible form for plant uptake. U cant provide everything in one bottle bcuz if u tried to the solutions would become suspended and separate and wouldnt work properly. Therefore they put them in different solutions and suspensions so u can deliver them to ur plants for optimal growth and production. AN is a very reputable company and their products are some of the best in class in each specific area they target.

U also dont need to use "15" bottles of anything to get good results. They simply offer and can provide them as u need them.

All u need from AN to get good results is one of their bases which are very inexpensive bcuz they r not only highly concentrated but also chelated for optimal uptake. They last a very long time as u dont need much of them to provide all essential elements for ur plants.

So after u get their bases all u need to grow is 4 things:
Voodoo Juice
B-52
Big Bud
Overdrive

The other products they offer are simply for piece of mind and for optimal results.
Rhino Skin - Mag and Silicates
Piranaha & Tarantula - Bene's & Microbes
Bud Candy - carbohydrates

I use most of their lineup for my grows and I can promise you and anyone else that it is well worth the money. Not only do you get superb quality flowers but they produce massive yields and huge flowers!!

I also like Canna and I think that is the best on the market all around and easiest to use. The whole lineup is only 5 things:
*Bases (a&b)
*Canna-Boost (Best product of its kind and is by far best Bloom Enhancer on the market it is 2nd to none) many companies try to make their own version but nothing comes close.. It is most exp partof the lineup but is by far the best on the market hands down!!
*PK 13:14
*Cannazyme
**** Only thing I recommend adding is the H&G Roots Excellurator which is the best product of its kind on the market for root innoculation and enhancement period.

If u wanna go cheaper route but give up final yield but focus on quality I recommend Botanicare Pure Blend Pro Series
Its easy to use. Comes w one base that works very well as a stand alone nutrient without needing kuch of anything else and it is very inexpensive.

I run the Veg & Bloom
Cal-Mag
Silicate
Hydroplex
H&G Roots Excel.
Atami Bloombastic
Sweet Raw Natural
And I average 1.5-1.75 per 1000w lamp. That being said I do get less overall yield but the quality of the flowers: smell, taste, aroma and potency is right up their with AN & Canna.

As far as GO 3-Part although the bases r very inexpensive the plants in order to get great results u still need to substitute other amendments and supplements to maximize yield and quality. Its a synthetic nutrient and doesnt produce the falvors aromas and consistency I find in AN, Canna or Botanicare; but I do know many big time growers who love the 3-Part bcuz it is cheap and easy to use. The only down side for me as mentioned is quality and yield, without alot of other by products it not in the top tier of nutrient bases available on market I consider it to be bottom tier or mid-tier nutrient as a whole.

I do like the GO General Organic line up though. Its alot of bottles and is priced fairly but it provides some very nice quality flowers without sacrificing alot of yield either. All around its great product if u wanna go organic and price is fairly reasonable.

As ppl mention IMO Dyna-Gro, Jack's, Humboldt County, Dutch Masters, Atami are bottom of the barrel nutrients. They dont produce good yields, the quality is terrible, and aroma and flavor is awful. Since these products are primarily pure synthetics that is a given. If u dont have $$ any of them will work as they are cheap as the dirt u use but I would never use any of them to grow at all.

In this business ur input is as only good as ur output. Meaning you pay for what u get. So go with #1 Canna #2 Adv Nutrients #3 H&G #4 Botanicare #5 Complete Nutrients (new product very good all around nutrients - combination between AN and Canna - but very expensive and not as good as either of those companies as its a "knock-off" brand.

Ppl can argue all they want there is a reason that Canna - AN and Botanicare are the leading MJ nutrients in the world. You pay for what you get. When u compare your input (cost up front) for your output "ROI" (return on investment) using any of the mentioned products I use with out perform and of those cheaper products on the market hands down.

And you work for AN congrats bro