giving defoliation during flower a try
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unwine99
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Interesting. You found it an appropriate comparison a hundred pages ago.
No, not in fruit trees.
Atlantic Committee on Fruit Crops -- for apple trees.
"The Mature Tree: Once the tree has filled its spacing, pruning should be maintenance to provide
good light penetration throughout the canopy so that the desired fruit quality and production can
be obtained."
"In general, the effective light penetration into the tree canopy is approximately one meter. Based
upon this fact, the canopy of a large tree can be broken down into three zones with regards to
light penetration. Zone one located in the top portion of the tree receives 100 to 60% full
sunlight; zone two receives 59 to 30% full sunlight and zone three receives less than 30% full
sunlight.
Light Penetration.
Once light levels drop below 30% of full sunlight, flower-bud formation is reduced, spur vigor is
lost and fruit that is produced in this zone is small and of poor quality. With time, fruit
production will decline in this area as a result of fruit spur death. Zone three is a non-productive
zone and the size of this zone is influenced by tree size, form and pruning. "
University of Florida on Mango trees
"Pruning of mango trees is usually carried out to shape trees and open
up the centers, allowing free movement of air and sunlight into the tree. The
ability of sunlight to penetrate the tree enhances the color of the fruit and
improves quality."
"Plant parts differ in their sunlight requirement but need between 30 to 50% of the
available sunlight to function normally. When the minimum requirement is not met,
inefficiency, retardation and, ultimately, die back will occur."
No, I wouldn't imagine you would prune each fruit tree identically but one element (among many) remains consistent as to why they're pruned -- and that's to increase light penetration into the lower canopy to increase flower and bud formation as well as increase the quality of the final product.
The same goes for cannabis. Heavily shaded areas produce airy larfy crappy buds........judicious pruning eliminates heavily shaded areas. It's really that simple.
unwine99
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And for the record, I'm not trying to sell my style of growing as the right way to grow, it's just A way to grow. To every upside there is a downside and vise versa; it's true in life.....it's true in gardening. Everyone should experiment incessantly to find balance and to find what works best for them in their particular situation.
Growan
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I've just started using Dyna-Grow as it seems to be a more complete formulation than many of the cannabis specific brands, such as AN. What's the story with soda?
chuck estevez
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it makes people fat, must work on buds. plus it makes em taste good.
Growan
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I used to work in orchards, and part of that was pruning. Winter pruning to remove diseased, damaged or inconveniently placed branches. The aim was to have healthy accessible branches bearing fruit.
Also summer pruning. This was done when the fruit had set, had been thinned and was gaining size and weight. The primary function was to remove leaves which were shading the fruit. However, the actual function of the light directly on the fruit was to develop colour, it had nothing to do with photosynthesis or increasing fruit size, because the fruit itself had no capability to photosynthesise.
Uncle Ben
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So says another "new active member". Man, with each new crop of newbs.......new active member said:
Apparently you're blind to the photos of what I posted or so hung up on forum conventions parroted by newbs there's no room for change, not that I really care. Tell ya what, you do what Roach did - blast 300 watts of lighting at the lower part of a ONE plant and tell me you're gonna argue with Roach and me, both seasoned growers.
I'll take a photo of a peach tree when in bloom. Yes, I do some heavy winter pruning mostly to keep them under 7' tall but like I said, there is dappled sunlight into the canopy, NOT full sun. Same with grapes. Grape clusters only need 10% sun to color and flavor to perfection. I've studied this canopy management thingie to death but the true teacher is experience taking into consideration area terroir, climate extremes, etc.
I know of no mango (or avocado) growers in Florida both professionals and hobbyists that open up their tree canopy via pruning.
Actually the next best time to prune is summer for size control. For peaches after the peach crop is harvested.
http://www.davewilson.com:8080/home-gardens/backyard-orchard-culture
Growan
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Well in fairness, I was labour, a grunt. Just following instructions like a good worker should. I definitely wouldn't claim to be an expert.
Sp@rticus
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IDK...IME Soda works better for pot as a source of nutrition then most AN products I have come across...But no where near as good as dyna thats the bee's knee's right there best nute to price ratio I have come across
No what I'm saying is that if I am going to waste my time, money and plant I am going to do it with soda not AN
I am king newb b4 it's over you will bow before my excellent soda recipe's!!
Knott Collective
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Thanks for the input. We also extract from trimmed sugar leaves. But we like to obtain as much medicine from the plant as we can. And the laws of physics tell us that starting with more raw material always results in more medicine. In our direct experience over many, many grows of many different strains, each with medical grade results, removing healthy leaves and branches off a perfectly good cannabis plant results in less total production. Period.Good for you man, i don't take anything away from ya but I don't grow for money and any hash or extract that I make is from trimmed sugar leaves that I collect during the course of 2-3 runs. Plus, not pruning it decreases my bud yield. I don't like that. I hate larf. Larf is not my friend.
Of course we might be producing on a slightly larger scale. We are not hobby or recreational growers. We're a legal California corporation operating under all applicable laws of our state. We produce serious medicine for serious patients, and we follow every state law and guidance to the letter. Yes, we even pay state sales taxes. We have a lawyer, an accountant, a bookkeeper and other support personnel as needed (trimmers, tenders, general laborers, construction). Our overhead is significant so we try to be as efficient as possible in all areas.
If you're a small grower, great. You have our utmost support and respect. And here is where our perspectives may diverge - as a larger producer we don't really need to maximize the quantity of really nice buds. Smaller growers might need to ensure all their buds are a nice as possible because small growers frequently cannot make enough total production for their individual requirements. Each harvest we get much more than we can personally use, or give away to our friends if we chose to do so. We get units and units of prime nuggets for exchange with the shops. Essentially we take the top two-thirds or so of the plant to the trimmers and send the rest for supercritical CO2 extraction. Nothing goes to waste. We donate our stalks, branches and fan leaves to a local composter.
Regarding your point about not growing for money: I'd like to respectfully point out that in a way, we ALL grow for money. Otherwise why not just purchase the best available and not even be worried with all the hard work that goes into producing medical grade cannabis? I'd admit there may be a pure hobbyist somewhere that just likes to grow and give away cannabis, but I've never met him (or her) yet.
Are you that person? Have you NEVER provided some of your hard work in exchange for compensation of any form? If so, good on ya' mate.
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Knott Collective
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Recent nuggets of Skywalker OG. We try to trim really close for best appearance. The nugs are very dense and aromatic. We can get a couple of units in one food-grade 5-gallon bucket. Some SFV OG babies in the background.
Sp@rticus
Member
You should try some Pepsi or Mt dew it might fix that cellulose issue on them babies in the background
...Plus it will be cheap on your operation
Knott Collective
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Too late. Already been treated with our favorite Dr. Pepper. We use different sodas on different strains. Some of the OG strains don't like the clear colas. And Mountain Dew seems to make the leaves get all twisty. Root Beer seems to be liked by all the plants but if we give 'em too much they fall over.You should try some Pepsi or Mt dew it might fix that cellulose issue on them babies in the background
chuck estevez
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it's all about the sarsaparilla.Too late. Already been treated with our favorite Dr. Pepper. We use different sodas on different strains. Some of the OG strains don't like the clear colas. And Mountain Dew seems to make the leaves get all twisty. Root Beer seems to be liked by all the plants but if we give 'em too much they fall over.
pk_boosted2
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I just finished 2 lights of cough using AN and idk how u guys fuck up the nutrients saying it doesnt produce well im firm believer that its user error cuz i hit 2 a light and produce asolute fire using AN so idk wtf u guys are talking about. Smh
This is only 2 of 4 plants from a 1k using AN so idk what u guys r doing wrong but AN products produce fire and heavy yields.
This is only 2 of 4 plants from a 1k using AN so idk what u guys r doing wrong but AN products produce fire and heavy yields.
pk_boosted2
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Thats the original strawberry fields using AN so whoever using AN that says it dont work is a idiot IMO cuz it always treats me very well
pk_boosted2
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IDK...IME Soda works better for pot as a source of nutrition then most AN products I have come across...But no where near as good as dyna thats the bee's knee's right there best nute to price ratio I have come across
No what I'm saying is that if I am going to waste my time, money and plant I am going to do it with soda not AN
I am king newb b4 it's over you will bow before my excellent soda recipe's!!
U dont know what ur doing then cuz AN nutrients produce fire and outperform almost every other nutrient on market especially yield period. Thats a ridiculous statement
Sp@rticus
Member
2 pound's?? Look's like 2 ounce's?? You should try dialing in your nute's for real? And weighing your dried product...2p's stfu plz
pk_boosted2
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Thats not even half of it thats 3 (6 foot lines) completed filled from only 2 plants out of 4 under a 1k. I know roughly how much each line holds thats well over a pound buddy first of all. Every one of those pieces is 7 grams + per bud on average dried so u dont know wtf ur talking about period. Ill take pics and do a final weigh in since ur one of them clowns who just loves makin shit up.2 pound's?? Look's like 2 ounce's?? You should try dialing in your nute's for real? And weighing your dried product...2p's stfu plz