yes dumbo there is call, it is impossible to have an adult conversation with someone that has a closed mind and isn't listening to what people have been saying.
Go look and search and you will find side by side grows showing leds producing better quality buds in a full canopy and equivalent weight with less wattage.
you come in here dissing leds in favor of hid lights on a thread which has nothing to do with hid lights. The OP did not ask about hid he asked about scrogging with leds. So why did you bother posting ?
There is nothing closed minded about my posts, nor have I "dissed" LED's, I repeatedly state that LED's have their advantages in certain situations. I will also repeat, LED's will not yield the same amount as a HID's. I even said "close but no cigar"...
In fact you made the claim, "LED's will produce "better quality buds in a full canopy", and I will repeat, I DO NOT grow a bunch of top buds... I GROW TREES. I GROW ENTIRE PLANTS, not just the tops of buds.
I have no doubt that some EXPERIENCED growers were able to pull some "one offs" nice yields, but, the OP is NOT an experienced grower. The OP is looking for success his first time out. He doesn't want to spend a ton of money to get few results.
You have YET to provide a single link to a comparison grow. It is obvious that you have issues with anyone questioning your OWN bullshit, and YOUR OWN claims. If you can't put up evidence or proof, then SHUT THE FUCK UP!
In fact, the closed minded one here is the guy that continues to be an insulting prick in a debate that he is taking personally over a subject that has long been a source of acrimonious contention and is generally FAR to expensive and experimental for the newbie 1st time grower(which the OP IS!!) to involve themselves with.
On top of that you imposing fascist, I will go to ANY section in this forum and post what I want, where I want. I don't need YOU to give me permission to do so, in fact, I responded to the Original Posters claim that "it's a toss up that LED's will produce the same yields as HID.
The original poster was asking for advice on SCROG and hasn't decided to use LED over HID's, his original post included the claim that he,
"would like to run this with LED's as opposed to HPS. I intend to use soil as a medium."
Who then in a later post questioned wether plasma and LED lights would be the best way to go..... "Would that makes sense to go LED or should I just do a 600 watt. HPS? Im not sure if im up for spending 1000 for a plasma light on my first grow."
So, it seems to me there, pal, that you have an issue with the fact that the NEW GROWER doesn't want to use experimental lights to get experimental results on a SCROG that he has NEVER done before.
And it seems to me that he is being convinced that LED's and Plasma lights are TOO EXPENSIVE , and won't yield the weight he is looking for that HID's are proven to provide for what he wants to do.
Instead of spending 1000's of dollars on a LED' on a 10' x 10' room, get an air condition on a 1000w hid and ignore the people like PurpleBuz, here, who are angry that they spent way to much on a disco light that is yielding sub-par results, while they go onto these forums to promote their failed method of gardening marijuana as superior to anything that has been proven to work for DECADES.
In fact, if LED were so effective, the pro-LED crowd wouldn't have such a hard time trying to convince ANYONE that they were superior to HIDs, they would automatically switch over. Just like in the 70's and 80's when EVERYBODY was using flo's to grow before HID's became popular and readily available to the grower.
Unlike with LED's now, there was NO convincing needed then, everybody switched to HID's to produce massive buds.
Now that I've summarized the entire conversation on this thread, I am beginning to wonder if you've read ANY of the postings here at all, or have you just skipped to the part where I said that "LED's won't yield as much as HID's" and decided to try and start a dog piling troll-fest and it blew up in your face. Regardless, welcome to IGNORE! I'm tired of arguing with the mentally deficient on the internet.
