Humane Execution

[Glaucoma]

I see capital punishment more as just a part of doing business. The people that deserve it probably fear their peers more than the government so I don't think it does much as a deterrent when it comes to gang murders and crime lords. The crazy people aren't deterred either because they are just that.. crazy. Since we can't fix them, I don't see locking them in a cage with no intention of ever letting them out more humane than death.

I think explosion is the most humane means of execution.

 

[Red1966]

The Guardian article is just flat out lying. Not only do they overstate their sources figures, they fail to mention the original figures are estimates.

 

[Wilksey]

 

[Red1966]

I see capital punishment more as just a part of doing business. The people that deserve it probably fear their peers more than the government so I don't think it does much as a deterrent when it comes to gang murders and crime lords. The crazy people aren't deterred either because they are just that.. crazy. Since we can't fix them, I don't see locking them in a cage with no intention of ever letting them out more humane than death.

I think explosion is the most humane means of execution.

Though a little messy.

 

[Padawanbater2]

What do you mean by "best"?

 

[Red1966]

The study's supporting proof was at the bottom if the journal.

http://m.pnas.org/content/early/2014/04/23/1306417111.full.pdf?with-ds=yes

It was the PNAS figures I was commenting on. They say several times in the article they are just estimates. They try to make it all sound "scientific", but in the end, they are just guessing. They even admit it. I have dealt with the NAS, and, believe me, they are as political as you can get. A bunch of snotnoses walking around demanding not scientific data from their funding recipients, but "outreach" and "diversity" goals. We are ill served by them. They divert funds from scientific research to "social engineering". The last time they visited, they didn't even look at our research, they just counted members of ethnic groups and threatened to cut our funding because we had "too many Asians". Racist bastards.

 

[AlecTheGardener]

Well, that's your opinion, and you're entitled to have it. I disagree. If I knowingly fall down an elevator shaft, have I not forfeited my right to life? I believe committing murder is much the same. Remember, few are given the death penalty for the first murder they commit, unless it was particularly heinous, such as murdering a child.

We are indeed both entitled to our opinions. I suspect you and I must agree to disagree on this topic Red.



No. You had an accident. Your rights remained intact. Rights can be taken by accident.

Human rights by definition are to be guaranteed. This means that I should be able to go about my life without being murdered. However a person may kill me. I did not forfeit anything, on the contrary my right was taken from me. I did not chose to relinquish, or forfeit my right.

Again my opinion comes into play: you see I do not care how many people someone has killed or how they did it. I am against capital punishment.

 

[Red1966]

We are indeed both entitled to our opinions. I suspect you and I must agree to disagree on this topic Red.



No. You had an accident. Your rights remained intact. Rights can be taken by accident.

Human rights by definition are to be guaranteed. This means that I should be able to go about my life without being murdered. However a person may kill me. I did not forfeit anything, on the contrary my right was taken from me. I did not chose to relinquish, or forfeit my right.

Again my opinion comes into play: you see I do not care how many people someone has killed or how they did it. I am against capital punishment.

In my example, I said "willingly fall". Not accidentally.. Is not executing a murderer enabling him to take that right from others again and again? Don't say imprisoning prevents this, because murder is more common in prisons than Chicago.

 

[Red1966]

As you said, we'll just have to agree to disagree. Its getting late and I'm sleepy. Have a good night my friend.

 

[UncleBuck]

The Guardian article is just flat out lying.

excuse me if i have trouble taking your word with respect to lying, since you are the worst culprit on this site by far (since beenthere got banned).

https://www.rollitup.org/t/another-shooting-in-a-maryland-mall.787154/page-8#post-10116965

 

[AlecTheGardener]

In my example, I said "willingly fall". Not accidentally.. Is not executing a murderer enabling him to take that right from others again and again? Don't say imprisoning prevents this, because murder is more common in prisons than Chicago.

I missed that! Sorry I misread.

Yes. If you decide to take your life then you have decided to forfeit your right. Of course.

The cool thing about rights is that we may waive them if we wish. For instance: If we are arrested in the US we have the right to remain silent, though we can openly disregard that against better judgement. Choice. Good stuff.




I do not claim to have that answer, I just have the opinion that violence spawns more violence.

The death and suffering I have witnessed has turned me into someone who is a very strong advocate for life, liberty and peaceful resolution. I have seen the opposite of what I try to advocate for, it is a most unpleasant place

*edit* clarity

 

[Rob Roy]

Put multiple criminals in the lake with just their heads showing. Have Doer get out his collection of throwing rocks.

He'll know the best one for water skipping. Bet him he can't get all of them with one ricochetting throw....the problem is solved.

Steam in butter, invite your friends over and make sure you have lots of beer.

 

[Dr Kynes]

Hey nutes.
I'd ask you how you're doing but the obvious answer, based on the op, is not well.
You need therapy amigo. Not a lot. Just a bit. Ok, I lied. You need a buttload.
Buttloads and buttloads and buttloads of therapy. I think you know why I'm saying this bro. I'm watching and it ain't looking pretty from where I'm standing. My offer stands nutes.

thou shalt not kill
just sayin'

Pro-tip: just cause the state is doing it does not absolve you morally. You are cheering from the sidelines. Or it looks that way. That is sick.
Ever seen anyone die? I have (car accident; it was fucking awful bro). I would personally, as a tax-payer, rather pay to keep them imprisoned because that is what a civilized society should choose to do. It is also the right thing to do. Ask jesus christ. No wait, he already spoke on this did he not? I'm not a christian but i'm sure you have a bible, right?

Thou Shalt Not Commit MURDER

ye olde testament clearly had no problem with killin, as long as it was done within their (admittedly arbitrary and crazy) laws

some people need killin (like Richard Alan Davis for example), and the laws are designed to reduce the chances that an innocent man goes to the chair.

 

[killemsoftly]

Thou Shalt Not Commit MURDER
ye olde testament clearly had no problem with killin, as long as it was done within their (admittedly arbitrary and crazy) laws
some people need killin (like Richard Alan Davis for example), and the laws are designed to reduce the chances that an innocent man goes to the chair.

I like that reduce part. Sounds good.
When you get a girlfriend Kynes, don't go home early. I don't like your odds.
On second thought, arbitrary and crazy might be your thing. Finish up and head on home bro =)
pro-tip: don't forget to stab yourself a couple times.

 

[Doer]

Why so much worry over it being humane? It's meant as punishment. They are taking a persons life for crimes they have committed against another. Not that it should be intentionally torturous, but so what if it is.

Ever heard of the " no cruel and unusual" Punishment Clause?

That is why only little children will say, "so what if it is."

You ignore "how we go here/we don't want to go back," as all little children will do.

 

[sheskunk]

Ever heard of the " no cruel and unusual" Punishment Clause?

That is why only little children will say, "so what if it is."

You ignore "how we go here/we don't want to go back," as all little children will do.

Little children cry about an execution being painful. Get over it, you're dead.

 

[tightpockt]

and the laws are designed to reduce the chances that an innocent man goes to the chair.

So innocent people murdered by the state, their lives and their families lives ruined is acceptable collateral damage?
I just want to make sure that I am clear on your stance ...that murdering innocent people is ok as long as you get your sense of revenge?
Side note: for those who say capital punishment is a deterrent.. how can you deter something by perpetuating the same action which you're trying to deter (murder)?
Annnnnd murder is wrong, RIGHT pro-lifers???

 

[Doer]

Little children cry about an execution being painful. Get over it, you're dead.

You have not been executed enough, if you think that.

 

[killemsoftly]

You have not been executed enough, if you think that.

Get on it. Don't forget your bag of rocks.
Rock her world big guy. You da man.

 

[sheskunk]

You have not been executed enough, if you think that.

How do they slaughter beef? Do you feel that is cruel?

A little struggling during a lethal injection is far from cruel.

All this touchy feely shit has turned this country into a little bitch.

I voted for guillotine.