twostrokenut
Well-Known Member
Fwiw you can get hotdogs and a quart of milk at the dollar tree.
And chocolate.....lots of chocolate.
And altoids to pass a drug test.
And chocolate.....lots of chocolate.
And altoids to pass a drug test.
I don't know what this means or what you're trying to say, either way it has no bearing on what the chart does conclude; There is no correlation between the US drug prevention budget and addiction rates. If there is, prove it, show me some evidence there is. I've shown you evidence there isn't and just like I said before, you don't value evidence, reason or logic, so you simply dismiss it.
Show me the evidence
Aah, I'm starting to see a trend; you don't require evidence to support your beliefs. "Maybe" is not good enough reason for someone who values logic to come to a conclusion, it's a word that by definition means "I don't know". If there was a misuse of funding, show me the evidence that shows that.
What do you mean you don't know how to link it? Copy the URL and paste it in the reply box..
..Just in case, the URL is the address of the website on the top that starts with www.
It means, What would that addiction rate look like if there was no spending at all ? How do you know that the spending is not responsible for the steady rate and avoided an increase ? That`s not hard to understand.
Show you the evidence ??? You are definatly not street smart. I can`t tell you how many people I found out are addicts, Are they on this addiction rate chart too ? Or, Is it a list from clinics, hospitals and prisons and they missed no-one ? All are accounted for cuz this list says so. If I believed everything I read or heard I`d prolly be dead by now. And you want me to trust an incomplete chart ? Evidence can be misleading and wrong.
Copy to what ? "paste" Is that some kind of lick-n-stick thingy ? They had to invent the computer before I could try one, let alone afford one. I`m as computer illiterate as they come.
The chart I posted does show addiction rates with little to no spending before Nixon initiated the war on drugs, then as it also shows, spending steadily rises, addiction rates remain constant, then, in 1986 the budget soars, yet addiction rates remain constant.It means, What would that addiction rate look like if there was no spending at all ? How do you know that the spending is not responsible for the steady rate and avoided an increase ? That`s not hard to understand.
So your request is that to come to any reasonable conclusion about the rates of drug addiction in the US, every single drug user in the United States has to answer the survey and you have to believe they're honest about it? Absolutely ridiculous.Show you the evidence ??? You are definatly not street smart. I can`t tell you how many people I found out are addicts, Are they on this addiction rate chart too ? Or, Is it a list from clinics, hospitals and prisons and they missed no-one ? All are accounted for cuz this list says so. If I believed everything I read or heard I`d prolly be dead by now. And you want me to trust an incomplete chart ? Evidence can be misleading and wrong.
What are you using?Copy to what ? "paste" Is that some kind of lick-n-stick thingy ? They had to invent the computer before I could try one, let alone afford one. I`m as computer illiterate as they come.
Its a good point. I can't refute it. However, those with more information might. I have a feeling that operational policies could play into it. I am reminded of a brief historical period (1919-21) in which controlled heroin buy centers were fairly common. After a short while, moralistic restrictions (more designed to assign blame and cause shame) caused most patients to abandon them for street dealers. Then they were illegalized.OK. So if readily available will reduce od rates why has death from opiate OD rose sharpley from 99-2010 as pain management centers opened up and starting pushing the narcos?
Im serious btw. Im not trying to be attacking.
Can you point me to the data?So no one can address my question on the previous page? Seemed valid.
Also I can produce charts as well. I guess valid questions get ignored without a fancy chart. Ill be back later with one that correlates increased opiate availability with increased od deaths.
I would also like to see a breakdowm of pada's chart on spending. The U.S. is notorious for overspending.
The increase in OD's would sure take the weak minded out of the gene pool.Do you think legalizing all drugs would increase the amount of overdose deaths that would occur or decrease the amount of overdose deaths that would occur? Why?
Thanks Kinetic.Here ya go Bear.
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OK. So if readily available will reduce od rates why has death from opiate OD rose sharpley from 99-2010 as pain management centers opened up and starting pushing the narcos?
Im serious btw. Im not trying to be attacking.
Thanks Kinetic.
I would be very interested in a breakdown (which they won't have) of OD deaths by prescription holders v. users of diverted narcotics.
I am a bit astounded at how doctors are failing to educate their consumers about the dark side of the codones. I was one who fell into codone dependency, and I went in eyes open and with the sort of background that gave me zero excuse. I look back, and the docs didn't really say much about addiction and how to check for it. In my case, it could have been because I was a professional in the field.
I want to make it clear that in my case, i don't blame the doctors or the system. What i lack is a layman's perspective on how the doctors, the direct public interface in the marketing of these rainmaker drugs, are told to present them.
I see with some interest that heroin ODs didn't go up or down. i'd expect some overflow from codone users who failed to calibrate to the new drug. Interesting that that didn't seem to happen.
I take a rather Macchiavellian view of this.I have heard, anecdotally, that doctors today can talk about pain management... But that if the discussion heads into dependency territory the doctor is pretty much obligated to cut you off due to concerns about their professional credentials. Any insight to the truth of this?
So you can party (or manage pain - same result - addiction)... But when the bill comes due you had better find a street source.
That's moralistic bullshit if true.
my take on this kinetic, take it for what it's worth obviously, absolutely nada, lol..Here ya go Bear.
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lol, sad but true.. the worst detox i ever saw in my life was like a 50 year old house mother who got hooked on zannies after being prescribed by her doctor..I'm pretty much on board with ya Racer. I keep telling people the most dangerous dealer wears a white coat and has sloppy hand writing.