ViRedd
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Did I say anything about the poor roasting coffee beans? No I didn't. Why don't you do one of two things, or both: ... 1. Increase your reading skills. 2. Improve your comprehension of what you read.
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A question for righties
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medicineman
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I get it, you said what? Oh that's right, I was making a referance to your lifestyle as opposed to a hard working single mother. What don't you get??
misshestermoffitt
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Wages are part of the general overhead of a company. All operating costs are taken out of money earned and what is left over is profits. Wages would be considered an operating cost.
As far as question number 2, I was a married working mother with a working husband. Sometimes it was hard to find time to take a freaking shower, let alone screwing around with coffee beans.
As far as question number 2, I was a married working mother with a working husband. Sometimes it was hard to find time to take a freaking shower, let alone screwing around with coffee beans.
Johnnyorganic
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Yeah, what about that? Specific examples please.
Merrill Lynch CEO John Thain is waiving his bonus for 2008. This was reported December 9, 2008. Whatever his intentions, he is forgoing a bonus.
Merrill Lynch is merging with Bank of America. Mergers inevitably result in layoffs.
If you disapprove of the way a corporation is run, don't do business with them. That's the 'Rightie' way.
The poor do not pay income taxes. As a result it was taxpayers who were fucked in the bailout, not the poor.
Speaking for myself, this 'Rightie' opposed any bailout from the very beginning.
Hopefully the Big Three bailout is dead in the water. Bankruptcy is the only hope for the U.S. auto industry to survive.
I must say I have enjoyed watching Progressives squirm trying to rescue the very same industry they have demonized over the years.
Of the above mentioned, exactly which would be considered 'Rightie' corporations? Do their lobbyists only seek the support of 'Rightie' politicians?
In America, the top half pays 97% of income taxes while the bottom half pays 3%. And that is after all legal tax deductions and exemptions have been factored in.
How much more do you intend to take before you seize it all and kill the goose that lays the golden eggs? It is for this reason that democracies are not sustainable.
The following links detail who pays what, and who gets a free ride. The source is the Internal Revenue Service as reported by the National Taxpayers Union.
http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=6
http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=155
misshestermoffitt
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Specific examples of keeping employees at 35 or under hours per week to avoid benefits would be pretty much any company that pays minimum wage. A person who makes minimum wage most likely needs benefits more than someone who is making 100 thousand per year, wouldn't you think?
Not everyone can make the big bucks, but does that make them less worthy of health care? People ride the welfare train because with that you get food, you get to see a doctor and a dentist. People who work for piss poor wages such as minimum wage are actually worse off that those on the welfare dole.
I know you're comeback will be that if people don't like it, they shouldn't work for minimum wage, but lets imagine if they all just up and quit. Who'd ring up your groceries, who would you pay for your gas, who would take your order and bring your food when you go out to eat, where would you buy your beer, who would clean up the hospitals, who would take care of all of the elderly in the nursing homes, who would hand you your dry cleaning, who would clean all of the hotel rooms? That's a lot of services that would suddenly be gone.
The CEO of merril lynch had every intention of taking that million dollar bonus clear up until it hit the national news, that is when he changed his mind.
Yes the poor do pay income taxes, every week money comes out of their check, yes they might get it back when they file taxes, but it's still gone for a year and the IRS doesn't pay interest.
Along with the fed and state income tax they still have to have withheld every week is social security. My husband has paid over $1800.00 this year alone to social security. We're in our 40's. we'll never see a penny of that money again and we all know it. I consider that to be an income tax as well.
Medicare tax is also withheld from everyone's check. If people are making minimum wage and are only working 35 hours a week (so the employer can avoid benefits) that means said employees are not going to have the money to pay for health care. These people are being forced to pay for future health care IF they live to be 70 years old. If you can't go to the doctor for a good portion of your life, do you think you will live to be 70?
Not everyone can make the big bucks, but does that make them less worthy of health care? People ride the welfare train because with that you get food, you get to see a doctor and a dentist. People who work for piss poor wages such as minimum wage are actually worse off that those on the welfare dole.
I know you're comeback will be that if people don't like it, they shouldn't work for minimum wage, but lets imagine if they all just up and quit. Who'd ring up your groceries, who would you pay for your gas, who would take your order and bring your food when you go out to eat, where would you buy your beer, who would clean up the hospitals, who would take care of all of the elderly in the nursing homes, who would hand you your dry cleaning, who would clean all of the hotel rooms? That's a lot of services that would suddenly be gone.
The CEO of merril lynch had every intention of taking that million dollar bonus clear up until it hit the national news, that is when he changed his mind.
Yes the poor do pay income taxes, every week money comes out of their check, yes they might get it back when they file taxes, but it's still gone for a year and the IRS doesn't pay interest.
Along with the fed and state income tax they still have to have withheld every week is social security. My husband has paid over $1800.00 this year alone to social security. We're in our 40's. we'll never see a penny of that money again and we all know it. I consider that to be an income tax as well.
Medicare tax is also withheld from everyone's check. If people are making minimum wage and are only working 35 hours a week (so the employer can avoid benefits) that means said employees are not going to have the money to pay for health care. These people are being forced to pay for future health care IF they live to be 70 years old. If you can't go to the doctor for a good portion of your life, do you think you will live to be 70?
TheBrutalTruth
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Medicare and Social Security are not Income Taxes
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Of course, they might as well be, but they are not, not in the sense that the measurements mentioned by Johnny reference.
As far as Medicare and Social Security, if you want to be the government's bitch, that's your problem, me, I want a way to escape from Medicare and Social Security.
Taxes, yeah, only in the sense that those programs are going to be bankrupt, but what are those programs?
Government Entitlement Programs for people that can't help themselves.
I think I argued about this before. If the person making $8/hr was able to invest the $2,100 or so that is stolen from them every year by the government they'd have an easy million by the time they were 65.
More than likely, they would actually use that money to attend community colleges and get ahead.
The hand you hold is the hand that's wrapped around your neck strangling the ever-loving shit out of you.
To argue that we need more government interference in our lives, or any one's life, is the HEIGHT OF STUPIDITY!
misshestermoffitt
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Who said we need more government interference in our lives? We need less government, and less GREED. If so many people weren't thinking "how can I get more for me at any cost" things wouldn't suck so badly right now would they?
I don't know about where you live, but we're losing business after business around here. Lot's of jobs are just GONE. How many companies would still be in business if the people at the helm didn't suck off every last penny of profits as "pay and bonus".
I consider medicare tax and social security tax to be income taxes. I will NEVER see a penny of that money back. Those taxes are directly related to income tax. You are jacked for them at the same rate you are income tax. If you worked for cash and avoided income tax, those taxes would be avoided as well. If they hack it out of your paycheck before you even see the money then it's an income tax. If it was a bill, you would go pay it.
I don't know about where you live, but we're losing business after business around here. Lot's of jobs are just GONE. How many companies would still be in business if the people at the helm didn't suck off every last penny of profits as "pay and bonus".
I consider medicare tax and social security tax to be income taxes. I will NEVER see a penny of that money back. Those taxes are directly related to income tax. You are jacked for them at the same rate you are income tax. If you worked for cash and avoided income tax, those taxes would be avoided as well. If they hack it out of your paycheck before you even see the money then it's an income tax. If it was a bill, you would go pay it.
medicineman
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Social security was and could still be a good plan. The problem is, the general fund steals the SS money every year to "Pay down the debt" or more likely to pay for wars and Pork. If SS had been allowed to fund itself, there would Be more than enough. All you SS nay sayers can thank the federal governments greed policy for killing SS. What we are heading for is feudal serfdom, with rich people and poor people and no in between. If you aren't rich already, your odds of getting there become slimmer with every passing day, so guess where you'll be, that's right folks, right down here with all the rest of us poor folks. I wonder if I can trade my Iraqi Dinars in for the Ameros?
misshestermoffitt
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Think of social security as a pie. There are so many fingers digging in that pie, that even with the filling being constantly replenished it is still only a crust.
medicineman
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You're probably right, it can't last with the amount of thieving going on. My generation may well be the last to enjoy somewhat of a secure retirement. Your generation will probably have to save up or give your money to the pranksters on wall street to hold for you, I'd start saving if you can. It's hard to save when you owe more than you make, and there are no better paying jobs out there. The jobs section in the local paper has gone from 5-7 pages to one.
Anotheroldephart
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Medicinman..is there anybody you don't hate? it seams to me that you are engaged in one of the favorite pasttimes of the Social Democrats...revisionist history. I suggest that you research just who aimed us down the road we now find ourselves, and it sure as hell wasn't GW. All this talk of the Gov KNOWING about the attacks would mean your man Clinton right? He was in office for the preceding 8 years and was the one who gutted the intelligence services..and was the one that halted the elimination of Bin Laden, 3 times..he was also in charge when HIS fed pushed the idea of the subprime loans.he was in charge for Ruby Ridge and Waco. His group were in the forefront of trying to take away our First and Secong amendment rights of course it was "for our own good" You know..."there there litle girls and boys..we know how better to run your life than you do..
i noticed in one of your posts that you still go out to eat several times a week..well..if we can afford to doit once a month we're damn lucky, so. as it seems, that you are for all out helping the unforetunate, then why not donate that money to helping them? On that theme, do you donate your time as well? Or is it all talk as in "somebody DO something!!! while you sit on rthe sidelineswringig your hands? I am a disabled vet..I got this way protecting this country.What have you done?You seem to get off on calling those who disagre with you names.tell me, do you behave this way in RT? Do you insult those unknown to you simply because they don't subscribe to your socialist way of thinking? Do you call them idiots..wierdos et al?
i for one am offeded at being called a guntoting weirdo, should I describe you as a Stalin loving , freedom-hating moron? I think not. I don't agree with your narrow minded prejudiced point of view, but I don't descend into the gutter and call you names even when you swim in the slime and call me names.
if you think your way of telling others how to live is so good, then may I suggest that there are a number of countries that agree with you, but alas, there you'd have no voice to speak with anyway. Inaddition you need to lookat thr U.K. in the early sixties when they started that bull with 75% tavation..A vast amount of the wealthy left the country..just as will happen here.
By the way, what ever happened to folks being responsible for themselves? I do agree that there are times that people do need assitanse, but if you look at the way it is today, in some cases it's hereditary..ya know..third, fourth generation suckling at the public breast.. the programswere supposed to be A) temporary, and B) a hand UP..not a hand OUT. There are areas things that need to be done with our infrascructure that many of the unemployed could do,but as with one the Katrine survivors said..That when "they" returned To No, "they" didn't want to have to work in the hotel food prep jobs, and that "they" wanted better housing too, and that "we" had to provide all this for them.I and my friends and family have what we have because we WORKED for it, none of it was handed to us.
medicineman
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Geeze, you feel better now? I am a Nam vet, got back with all my fingers and toes though. I do my bit for charity. I earned my retirement. I am a gun toting dude (Literally, as I have a carry permit). So we differ in some Ideas, Big fucking deal, this is America. I don't recall calling you names, but please refresh my memory so I can apologise, or not. You must realize I get called a few names myself. And, BTW, please tell me what wonderful things "W" has done for the country. I'm all eyes. Oh, I see, you took that rightie thing personal, well I'd like to apologise, but I see no need as I find those things to be factual. Also, just for the record, nothing was ever handed to me. I started working at 15, actually, at ten on a farm, and if you ever worked on a farm, you know the work is never done. I'm also of the opinion of a hand up not a hand out, so maybe we are not that far apart afterall. I was in fact referring to those right wing extremests on site that refer to me as the commie. I ain't no stinkin commie.
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he makes a great shoe deodorizer
Seamaiden
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I am imagining that you have tattoos of the evil eye all over yourself. Literally all eyes. 
Eyes, top to bottom. Eyes..!
Eyes, in the back of your head...
^^^Red eye.
Lower....
Lower.....! (Pssst! more eyes!)
He's all eyes!
(someone needs to redo their toenails)
But, I'm still stuck on the going out to have breakfast a couple of times a week thing. I wish I could afford to do that. It would mean all my stuff's paid off completely.
I get my coffee on.
There is a whole host of other foods that are high in oxalic acids that are also linked to heightened risk of stone formation. The list is extensive, and includes such great foods as beans, eggplants, dark leafy green veggies, and many teas. I was an unhappy camper during those years, especially lamenting the loss of eggplant and beans in my diet. I adore baba ganoush and hummus, and beans and rice is something I always have prepared.
I was an employee who was put technically on part-time work as defined by Bombay Company, specifically so as to avoid putting me in on full-time benefits, which were pretty choice considering it was retail, after all. I was in a management position and often worked hours beyond a 40hr week. I was paid properly for those hours (time and a half beyond eight in a day, etc.), but there was nothing I could do to gain myself that coveted full-time status. I don't have a solution to that, I am only reporting my direct experience. This was only the most recent example, not the only example. I do feel that I ended up in such a position due to my choices in my life, including deciding to be a stay-at-home mother while the boys were young.
Eyes, top to bottom. Eyes..!
Eyes, in the back of your head...
^^^Red eye.
Lower....
Lower.....! (Pssst! more eyes!)
He's all eyes!
(someone needs to redo their toenails)I believe there have been some studies that show this.
But, I'm still stuck on the going out to have breakfast a couple of times a week thing. I wish I could afford to do that. It would mean all my stuff's paid off completely.
So YOU'RE the one who re-planted that seed! He's been talking to me about the homeroasting again. You... you... you SEEDPLANTER, you!The latte's are REALLY fattening. And why anyone would drink Starbuck's coffee is way beyond me. The stuff tastes terrible because Starbuck's burns their beans. If you want some great coffee, go here:
www.sweetmaria's.com.
Of course, you'll have to learn to roast your own. Once you get the hang of it, you'll never go back, nor will you ever used milk or cream in your coffee again either. Home roasting is the only way to go ... just like home grown weed done right.
Vi
Yes indeed, more specifically calcium oxalate stones, the most common sort. So, not all stones are linked to or caused by it, but the majority are. I couldn't drink it when I was getting the stones. But now, after surgery, oh yeah!
I get my coffee on. There is a whole host of other foods that are high in oxalic acids that are also linked to heightened risk of stone formation. The list is extensive, and includes such great foods as beans, eggplants, dark leafy green veggies, and many teas. I was an unhappy camper during those years, especially lamenting the loss of eggplant and beans in my diet. I adore baba ganoush and hummus, and beans and rice is something I always have prepared.
Did anyone else hear that whooshing sound..?
I bolded this part because I feel it is part and parcel of everyone's perspective, and how we each must keep that in mind, the how and why of our perspectives.
I was an employee who was put technically on part-time work as defined by Bombay Company, specifically so as to avoid putting me in on full-time benefits, which were pretty choice considering it was retail, after all. I was in a management position and often worked hours beyond a 40hr week. I was paid properly for those hours (time and a half beyond eight in a day, etc.), but there was nothing I could do to gain myself that coveted full-time status. I don't have a solution to that, I am only reporting my direct experience. This was only the most recent example, not the only example. I do feel that I ended up in such a position due to my choices in my life, including deciding to be a stay-at-home mother while the boys were young.
ViRedd
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"So YOU'RE the one who re-planted that seed! He's been talking to me about the homeroasting again. You... you... you SEEDPLANTER, you!"
Hee, hee ... twas me all right. Interestingly enough SM, there is a member on "that other site" who invented a new coffee roaster that's being offered on the Sweetmaria site. It will roast up to a pound at a time with hardly any smoke at all. PM me if you and Dave are interested.
Vi
Hee, hee ... twas me all right. Interestingly enough SM, there is a member on "that other site" who invented a new coffee roaster that's being offered on the Sweetmaria site. It will roast up to a pound at a time with hardly any smoke at all. PM me if you and Dave are interested.
Vi
Anotheroldephart
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while personally you did not by name, but by association, as it seems you do with those who don't agree with you, Nowhere have I mentioned any GW wonders as I'm hard pressed to find many. What started out as reasonable ideas of his either went awry, or were usurped by others with their pork tacked on at the end. As to the farm , no, but I was a commercial fisherman and at times we were out for 10-12 days . No one has suggested apologies for beliefs, but there's no need for vindictive labeling either. If you'll recall, that the SD's signed on to the Patriot Act en masse..that is until the citizenry got a gander at the specifics..then lo and behold..the excuses came flowing...I didn't want to...I was bullied.. I was pressured. For good or for bad when the GOP sets a course ,it tends to stay set..not always to the good more the pity. I don't think the answer is a steady stream of handouts .not at all. In an interview on 20/20 a few years back an hispanic woman, who, along with 200 documanted relatives of hers were on the dole..when asked what she had to say to the tax payers, her reply was"keep sending the money. Is that the type of system you envision?
To the other extreme of no, or very limited gov't, well..there are any number of countries that those who ascribe to the less gov't the better..Somalia comes to mind..as do other non.developed countriesa.. Ah, but what of the lifestyles you'll have? IF consumer goods..mainly food were available, would it cost the same today as yesterday? Would you be able to get to the store to buy it if available without being well armed, as there will be others that want what you have, and willing willingly kill you to get it. What if you piss off your negihbor, well in those countries they'd just shoot you..and get away with it. As i've discussed with other anarchists..yopu aren't the only one armed.
The system is screwed..no doubt, but throwing green at it is not the answer..it needs to be fixed, starting with education. It's a sad turn of events when Beverly Hills schools get lunch subsidy because it woldn't be fair as other schools get it. Why does a teacher in rural Tenn get 30% of the salary of the same teacher in Greenwich Conn? I feel that, state by statew the taxes paid for education should be alotted more fairly. We have a place in VT, where we pay EXTRA taxes on our property so that Burlington can pay more to their teachers, and we're in the poorest area of the state. I also believe that everybody should feel the obligation to assist those less fortune than themselves, my wife and I nare setting up a campground for the disabled..primarily for vets. What most people don't comprehend is that one must do the right thing...they don't have to like it, just do it. Honestly, this country needs a few CCC, WPA type organisations to put people to work, and repair this countries infrastructure, but NOOOOoo you can't make people work, heaven forbid that they have to relocate for woprk...well for those who can work, but won't, go live under the highway bridge..I, and most people will do what is nessasary to take care of themselves and their families.