Dry Ice Bubble - Frozen Undried Trim vs Dried Trim

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BCOGYODA

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Hey guys. So I've made bubble for years the old fashioned way with regular ice, water, and frozen un dried trim, multi mesh size bags.

I am now looking at making it with dry ice to avoid some of the mess etc.

I need to process so much trim that is building up in my freezers and I've taken a lot of time off of making bubble cause I got into the BHO heavily over the past few months.

I have been watching vids and reading guys posts about the dry sift dry ice method and it looks like so much more of a cleaner process than the water and regular ice method I've used up till now.

Can you guys help me with some questions about this? I'll post up my process and findings after I try this new method for me too.

1. Can I use frozen un-dried trim with dry ice and sift it just like the guys do with dried trim and still extract the same yield I would of trichs as if the trim was dried first or does it have to be dried first?

2. Does anyone know which method yields better; with regular ice and water vs dry ice and no water?

3. How about quality comparison of the two methods? Anyone notice any differences between the two?

4. Anyone have any advice on how to improve any techniques used with dry ice or tricks of the trade?

5. I use 5 mesh sizes when doing my wet ice bubble. Is there more preffered sizes when doing it with dry ice and no water?

6. When I make my regular ice water bubble I mix my mesh size bubble together by drying it then freezing it then grinding it into a commercial grade, then pressing it into tubes of one ounce weights. Is dry ice bubble easily pressed like ice water bubble or is there a difference in techniques for pressing it?

7. I just ordered an 8 ton hash press with a rectangular mold. I'm used to using a smaller hand pressured one ounce tube mold. I'd like to be able to mold a design into the mold. I have a koi fish in mind. Any advice on how to press a design into the bubble hash brick?

8. Anyone find it better to use a bunch of smaller dry ice pieces or lesser larger dry ice pieces? I've noticed both methods in the vids I've been seeing.

9. When I make ice water bubble I usually let the material sit in the ice/water for a couple of minutes before I start churning the material. Would you also do this with dry ice method?

That's all the question I can think of right now. I'm sure more will pop up as I try this new method so any additional info anyone can offer would be greatly appreciated!
 
Frenchy Cannoli

Frenchy Cannoli

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I would forget about dry ice and do dry sieve if you want quality and little work, you can make hash of high quality in 5 minutes. Check up Hunters of the Dank episode 5, toward the end you will see a traditional dry sieve technic that could be of interest.
Do not use undried frozen trims with dry ice if you do not work with water, it will get messy. It should be dry before sieving
Ice water extraction will always give you a better yield.
Ice Water hash will also be of a higher quality
If you sieve with dry ice or do dry sieve you could technically use only 1 bag (190) and get full bubble hash. Add the 160 for cleaner results
Pressing technique are the same, a trichomes is a trichomes is a trichomes does not matter how you collect them. Good resin will press with little help.
Mechanic Hash press will NEVER give you quality pressing. You need heat and you need to "work out" the resin glands until they melt in a mass.
 
greenlikemoney

greenlikemoney

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BCOGYODA said:
1. Can I use frozen un-dried trim with dry ice and sift it just like the guys do with dried trim and still extract the same yield I would of trichs as if the trim was dried first or does it have to be dried first? Frozen, undried trim works just fine.

2. Does anyone know which method yields better; with regular ice and water vs dry ice and no water? Yield is the same, trichs are trichs.

3. How about quality comparison of the two methods? Anyone notice any differences between the two? No difference.

4. Anyone have any advice on how to improve any techniques used with dry ice or tricks of the trade? No tricks really except advice is remaining questions you asked.

5. I use 5 mesh sizes when doing my wet ice bubble. Is there more preffered sizes when doing it with dry ice and no water? You really only need your 120 micron work bag.

6. When I make my regular ice water bubble I mix my mesh size bubble together by drying it then freezing it then grinding it into a commercial grade, then pressing it into tubes of one ounce weights. Is dry ice bubble easily pressed like ice water bubble or is there a difference in techniques for pressing it? N0 grinding needed with dry ice. the dry ice does the grinding basically.

7. I just ordered an 8 ton hash press with a rectangular mold. I'm used to using a smaller hand pressured one ounce tube mold. I'd like to be able to mold a design into the mold. I have a koi fish in mind. Any advice on how to press a design into the bubble hash brick? no clue.

8. Anyone find it better to use a bunch of smaller dry ice pieces or lesser larger dry ice pieces? I've noticed both methods in the vids I've been seeing. I recommend fist size chunks.

9. When I make ice water bubble I usually let the material sit in the ice/water for a couple of minutes before I start churning the material. Would you also do this with dry ice method? Product into bucket, dry ice on TOP of the product. Cover the bucket. Wait 15 minutes, then shake.

That's all the question I can think of right now. I'm sure more will pop up as I try this new method so any additional info anyone can offer would be greatly appreciated!
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see answers imbedded in your questions above. It works for me, but I could never argue with Frenchys methods.
 
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BCOGYODA

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Thank you Frenchy and Green!! Very much appreciate your info!!! Another adventure begins :-D

Reps for you guys!!
 
Frenchy Cannoli

Frenchy Cannoli

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I have never worked with frozen undried trims and dry ice so Greenlike may be right on that one I will ask around. As for the rest of your questions I am absolutely certain.
 
Dogenzengi

Dogenzengi

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I have a few ounces of fresh frozen trim, If I don't have bubble bags can I
Use Ice and water and time to seperate the Tricomes?

how much time, say 15 minutes agitation with Ice and water in a bucket then scoop out bud and re freeze.

(Maybe it can be run again?)

let water stand 6 hours till Trichomes settle to the bottom, then siphon the water out of the bucket
being careful to not disturb the Tricomes at the bottom of the bucket.
At the end pour the Tricomes and the small amount of water in a pan and let the water evaporate.

does this sound like a correct way to make bubble hash without bags or screens?

thanks, time to smoke out!
 
SaybianTv

SaybianTv

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BCOGYODA said:
Hey guys. So I've made bubble for years the old fashioned way with regular ice, water, and frozen un dried trim, multi mesh size bags.

I am now looking at making it with dry ice to avoid some of the mess etc.

I need to process so much trim that is building up in my freezers and I've taken a lot of time off of making bubble cause I got into the BHO heavily over the past few months.

I have been watching vids and reading guys posts about the dry sift dry ice method and it looks like so much more of a cleaner process than the water and regular ice method I've used up till now.

Can you guys help me with some questions about this? I'll post up my process and findings after I try this new method for me too.

1. Can I use frozen un-dried trim with dry ice and sift it just like the guys do with dried trim and still extract the same yield I would of trichs as if the trim was dried first or does it have to be dried first?

2. Does anyone know which method yields better; with regular ice and water vs dry ice and no water?

3. How about quality comparison of the two methods? Anyone notice any differences between the two?

4. Anyone have any advice on how to improve any techniques used with dry ice or tricks of the trade?

5. I use 5 mesh sizes when doing my wet ice bubble. Is there more preffered sizes when doing it with dry ice and no water?

6. When I make my regular ice water bubble I mix my mesh size bubble together by drying it then freezing it then grinding it into a commercial grade, then pressing it into tubes of one ounce weights. Is dry ice bubble easily pressed like ice water bubble or is there a difference in techniques for pressing it?

7. I just ordered an 8 ton hash press with a rectangular mold. I'm used to using a smaller hand pressured one ounce tube mold. I'd like to be able to mold a design into the mold. I have a koi fish in mind. Any advice on how to press a design into the bubble hash brick?

8. Anyone find it better to use a bunch of smaller dry ice pieces or lesser larger dry ice pieces? I've noticed both methods in the vids I've been seeing.

9. When I make ice water bubble I usually let the material sit in the ice/water for a couple of minutes before I start churning the material. Would you also do this with dry ice method?

That's all the question I can think of right now. I'm sure more will pop up as I try this new method so any additional info anyone can offer would be greatly appreciated!
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Whoa there Yoda your bogarding the technique I was going to use on your machine trim to turn it back into something I can blast and then surprise you with the results. Now i gotta answer these 9 questions when what I really should be doing is starting this dam dry ice kief run i promised myself I would get to before I dab.

Ok fuck i need to use the air compressor to do this " question #4" and that thing can be herd from 3 blocks away.

Um short answer yes I've used fresh frozen trim, short answer comes with allot of caveat's...... You've got to be Mechanically fast as fuck or that water is going to start to clock the screens and make a cake disaster while pulling green all the way through. So the answer is don't do it especially since it almost made me quit, let's just say i didn't know the trim was coming in a frozen block.

Note I can run a full tube of kief without it fucking up so im still blasting, I don't like the hash dry ice makes unless im going for super low yield " 45 second shake" but that's not economical it's more for sport. I'd love to have mountain's of dry sieve to blast with but again that's sport hash I dunno how to follow those video's and get a pound in less that 2 weeks of sifting.

Ok I'll be back post kief. Oh Did you get an account at praxair or is there a new mystery source of dry ice in the lower mainland i don't know about?
Worse note, i don't use dry ice anymore I use whiskey cubes frozen to -40c. Let's just say I got sick of driving like a banshee to get to praxair by 4pm on a friday.
30bux min order 10pounds. double cooler to freezer or you'll have 5 pounds by dinner. How much you planning on running per load?

I can't believe you asked this question right when I decided to never blast trim dust again.
Gen 1 dry ice sieve Tek, bounce the bucket against your wife's excersice ball and you can shake twice as fast with 1/4th the fatige, dam dry ice never know when to stop shaking I think on that dreadfull 5 pound ball of frozen nonsense i shook my sad ass off for 25 mins.

Gen 2, you can get sick of all that and just build yourself one of these bad boys, it's no Grim Reaper "FadeDawg"
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Lets see if tonight I still get these wacko results, fuck that picture just told me I forgot to add my 43 catchall bucket.

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SaybianTv

SaybianTv

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Side note I'm with frenchie on the matter of if your going to make solventless make it well and worth the art's time, If your not blasting it I find I personally can't bother to smoke it. Granted I'm allergic like wildfire to kief so it's probably another reason i don't like working with it. If frenchie appeared in canada right now I'd jump through barbed wire to try his bubble.
 
SaybianTv

SaybianTv

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Well fuck it all to hell, trim's going back in the freezer.

Tek Tip #1 You can't leave your compressor on the porch all winter, show up at 8pm, and expect it not to draw a billion amps. I just went through my last two 15amp fuses and Fuck I did the same thing yesterday and moronically expected a different result if I just started the dam thing slowly.

I'm gunna go hide in a corner and fire up the enail for a bit, maybe i'll even have to put on a FailTek shirt.
 
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BCOGYODA

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Lol ya Saybian I gotta go through my trim faster. I've been making ice water full melt bubble for years but got away from it because of the BHO but I've been having people ask me for it a lot again so I'm going to give the dry ice a go to see how it yields. I like the idea of a way of doing it that's a lot less messy than with water.

The people that like bubble really like to stick to bubble I've been finding. There are die hard BHO smokers and die hard bubble smokers for sure. I've got people looking for just dry powder keif too; not warmed and pressed. People really have their favorite products they get used to and miss when it's not around.

Ya Praxair. We are going to play around with a couple batches and see how it turns out compared to ice water bubble before we decide on buying too much dry ice at a time.
 
greenlikemoney

greenlikemoney

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BTW, if you do a dry ice bubble hash, once you "sift" all the trichs through your bag, what you will be left with in the bucket is basically what looks like shake. You can take that shake, fill a mason jar 3/4 full, then cover the shake with 93% isopropyl alcohol ( about 1/2 inch above the shake ), shake for 15-20 seconds, then strain through your same micron bag as you used for the dry ice. Let the contents pour into a pyrex pan, cover it with something ( cheesecloth, etc etc ) that will allow the iso to evaporate but yet keep bugs/airborne stuff out, and in 3-4 days just scrape all that gooey stuff up. What's left in the jar will be plant material only, you will have successfully stripped every drop of THC material off that plant, which goes into the trash can. Good luck !!!!!!
 
greenlikemoney

greenlikemoney

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BCOGYODA said:
Lol ya Saybian I gotta go through my trim faster. I've been making ice water full melt bubble for years but got away from it because of the BHO but I've been having people ask me for it a lot again so I'm going to give the dry ice a go to see how it yields. I like the idea of a way of doing it that's a lot less messy than with water.

The people that like bubble really like to stick to bubble I've been finding. There are die hard BHO smokers and die hard bubble smokers for sure. I've got people looking for just dry powder keif too; not warmed and pressed. People really have their favorite products they get used to and miss when it's not around.

Ya Praxair. We are going to play around with a couple batches and see how it turns out compared to ice water bubble before we decide on buying too much dry ice at a time.
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Dry ice is $12 for a 10 lb block ( here anyway ) which should easily do a lb or more of dried bud, fresh frozen bud, trim or a combination of the three. Hell, there's trich on your plants stems, why waste a single thing from a plant which you babied for 3 months !!!
 
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BCOGYODA

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Hey Green ya man I do a lot of BHO so I'll run some of the dry ice extracted trim again with some butane to see what is left in it for sure. You're right man why waste anything from our plants!
Well the price for dry ice here isn't that cheap at all unfortunately. My friend went and grabbed it this morning and he grabbed a shit load more than we needed for today's work but we are going to keep running more trim the rest of this week. He bought 50 lbs of it and it was around $100!!
We only used one big chunk today broken up in smaller and fist sized pieces and it lasted the whole time no problem running around 20 lbs of dry trim..

We just used a 160 mesh bag today to do some testing on my hand trim and machine trim to see how long we should shake the bag for and what grades of keif we got from doing that; comparing our yields and qualities etc.

I have some people asking for more of a commercial blended grade of keif and others asking for more of the primo cleaner grades so this is just a learning curve with the dry ice/dry trim for the first few sessions where we experiment with different mesh sizes this week etc..

I gotta say man I love how clean the whole process was today!! No water, no slushy mess, no major clean up, etc..

And for yield like I said today we just wanted to produce a blended commercial grade to see where we would end up so we wound up with around a 16% yield back of keif from my hand and machine trim.
But If I wanted to just separate the nicer blonde cleaner stuff I think we would have been more around the 8-10% yield ratio..

I gotta mention also that I put some of the keif under a usb microscope and I was surprised to see some particles in it other than resin heads even in the nicer clean blonde stuff.
I took some USB microscope pics of it too but it's on my other lap top at my buds place so I'll have to get those pics up later..

I'm curious to see the keif from other mesh size bags later this week under the microscope to see how much "cleaner" the results really get..I'll be sure to post up my results as our experiments go on.

So here's some pics from today's fun:




























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BCOGYODA

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410 grams today :-D
Gonna fine tune things over this week to see what grades/mesh sizes we wanna concentrate on the most. Lovin the dry ice!




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SaybianTv

SaybianTv

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Hehe 100 pounds, Oh man I told ya now the guilt of not using it is going to force you to run on stop till it runs out. I went on a friday and he gave me 20 pounds and said itle melt by the time im back. I was calling people non stop trying to find material to meet the ice. It's so much cleaner and easier it's really only praxair that makes it no fun...
 
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BCOGYODA

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$100 for 50 pounds of the dry ice...ya double the price of places in the USA as I understand but man it lasts forever. I took 20 lbs of trim to my buddies place but we only ran 7 lbs of trim today and only used up one big chunk of ice broken up the whole time. Kept In the cooler I'm sure it's gonna last days and days and days. The ice should only loose 20% a day..
So when you look at it that way it's actually very cheap for how much you can process with it. Probably much cheaper than buying regular bagged ice for ice/water bubble..
 
SaybianTv

SaybianTv

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Ok I know what it is that's making all the difference that's got you buzzing. I started the dry ice thing in july/august your starting in december. Man before i learned about cooling the trunk of my wife's hyundai would be bubblin out the vapour all the way back to coquitlam.

Well there you go, there's no need to outsource trim to me ever again. Your literaly doing what I had planned so I could work 5lbs in about 20 mins.
How's your arms? are you ripped yet? build yourself one of these, that's what was in my picture hooked up to the weighted base for multibag umph!.
Everything lower than larf goes through the kiefer, but im greedy so i'll be extracting it but you seem to have the kind of diverse smoker's id like to meet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwOdXB5vwTc
 
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