Do NOT vote against I-502... hear me out.

what are your concerns about the new law in washington allowing blood to be taken from any suspected DUI stops at officers discretion of course, we all know we can trust the police to not abuse there privilages . . .

Originally Posted by SinisterBuds

I agree 100% Colonuggs. Its NOT legalization when they tell you, you CANT do something.

F**k I-502 when they tell me I cant grow a plant that helps my dad walk without pain, and F**k I-502 when they wanna charge $300-400/ounce to help him get out of bed.

There's an even better chance that the "store fronts" wont come to existance because Washington state wont put their state employees into a position that violates Federal Law.

coolkid.02...people will still be going to jail if they didnt buy their pot from the state run stores, because the likelyhood of them being open is slim. So that bag you got from your buddy...The one who is growing a plant illegally, is still gonna be illegal...Not because its pot, but because you didnt give your money to the state.

And soburntoutman...driving under the influence is irresponsible...no matter what the substance. If you're drozy because of a Benadryl, you can still kill somebody when you fall asleep at the wheel.

"Driving under the influence of any level of cannabis is illegal NOW, this makes it more legal." So you're alright with irresponsible behavior being more legal, even though its still dangerous and irresponsible? Like those ads for "Buzzed Driving" say...You can still kill somebody when you're buzzed. 5ng/l is a ridiculously low amount, and most heavy smokers will have that much THC in their system for a month after they last smoked. But focusing on the DUI aspect of I-502 because it'll give people a way to get out of a ticket for irresponsible behavior is just wrong.

I-502 is a way for the state to squeeze out money from its citizens, and its money they will never see...Because marijuana is still a Schedule 1 drug, and profiting from the sale of that substance is illegal on a federal level. I-502 is a lose lose for everybody...But especially the people who need medical marijuana the most.

Vote NO on I-502

thats exactly right, vote No, I-502 is a crooked way to let the state have all the authority and power without any guarantee that they will allow us to buy "from the state" this Bill puts an end to DP and MMJ patients relationship, which is working avg price here in Washington for fire is around 200 or less, seems to be working for us ,

if the general public wants to smoke, they better get a real BILL together and allow the people that have been supplying them with MJ since they began smoking can continue to make a living as well as help the medical community,

my patients get it for free for the most part, they will not be able to afford my grade of fire if 502 passes they and there families are voting NO as well

So lets say I-502 gets passed in the state of Washington. What are the Feds going to do? Just let it be? California has not even legalized it and the Feds are cracking down hard. Washington state has been flying low on the radar because of our relatively low key laws. If it does pass we will have more federal attention brought to our state because of our flamboyancy. Not only that but most of the cannabis market will be driven underground because of the taxation. Read the bill. It has so many holes in it. I do agree with you to some degree about the DUI limit already existing. But what do you think will happen when the government refuses to acknowledge this issue and continues to fight it.

With alcohol prohibition there was a definite case against it. Death rates as well as crime rates exploded. With cannabis there are no reasons it should be illegal and the government knows this. The reason they continue to fight this unbeatable war on cannabis is so they don't appear weak. There are so many reasons why we need to legalize and there is no reason why it is still a schedule one drug.

So we pass I-502 and either get busted by the feds or drive cannabis underground again and have to start over. I'm cool with either outcome. I just wish people read the actual proposition to see how shadily it has been written. If it does get legalized I will be the first to get a state license.

Originally Posted by Cannikid

So lets say I-502 gets passed in the state of Washington. ............. If it does get legalized I will be the first to get a state license.

oh ya like they re gonna just give em out, governor already said no state employees will be allowed to work for anything to do with MJ or MMJ so how is it the state is gonna "sell pot" or hand out license that will eventually allow you to buy pot

and with the new DUI law that allows LEO to take blood samples, 5ng is a guaranteed charge to any, driver who appears to be under the influenced of anything if you smoke get suspected of drinking then be forced to blood sample to prove not drunk and bam POT DUI

, i have 3 DUI's so i know how they role, and ya im a idiot too(in my own defense all were under .10 and i weight 250 not 180 . . . ), but they will bust anyone and everyone, if they can they will

I 502 is a trap, and no one should be settleing for this, CA, Colorado will pave the way for the right or wrong kind of legalization and then we can make our laws but until then, its the best we got mentality, while screwing over real patients is disgusting, screw the guy with intractable pain or seizures becuase some kids are abusing the system and other kids dont wnat to and just want to smoke whatever the state decides to "not sell" as they will not go against federal laws and have already proved it with the horrible bill last year, screwing everyone

as of Aug. 1, 2012....Washington State hwy patrol officers can make you give up your blood for DUI testing.......Forcably if nessary.....you have no choice in the matter.

Now this will also transfer over to MJ DUI testing.....They will be sittiting waiting for all you people who want to go to the State stactioned marijuana outlets.....

The DUI section of I-502 is non sceintific and proves nothing about a persons ablity to drive......

You should not be able to get a DUI 2-3 days after you injest marijuana...but a heavy user will

if you smoke a bong hit in the morning.... later that evening... you would still get a DUI if tested...BULLSHIT

Originally Posted by colonuggs

as of Aug. 1, 2012....Washington State hwy patrol officers can make you give up your blood for DUI testing.......Forcably if nessary.....you have no choice in the matter.

Now this will also transfer over to MJ DUI testing.....They will be sittiting waiting for all you people who want to go to the State stactioned marijuana outlets.....

The DUI section of I-502 is non sceintific and proves nothing about a persons ablity to drive......

You should not be able to get a DUI 2-3 days after you injest marijuana...but a heavy user will

if you smoke a bong hit in the morning.... later that evening... you would still get a DUI if tested...BULLSHIT

yup, pretty much BS

spread the word folks, I 502 has to go down or it just gives the cops another reason to book you for DUI, my last DUI cost 25K total, to many different services including the courts and state licensed treatment facilities

"An interesting piece from Toke of the Town. Something to think about while at Hempfest this year...

http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2012/08...asses_in_w.php

Here's A Look At Hempfest 2013 If I-502 Passes In Washington
By Steve Elliott ~alapoet~ in Culture, Products
Monday, August 13, 2012 at 8:49 pm

KOMO 4

Wanna see a lot more of this at Hempfest? You could next year, if I-502 passes.

A Hempfest marred by dozens of busts for people just passing the joint at 4:20? Say it ain't so!

It could happen if I-502 passes and is enforced as written.


But you'd think Seattle Hempfest would be heaven on Earth after the passage of "legalization" Initiative 502 in Washington state, if all the information you had to go by was a Marc Emery quote -- posted by trophy wife Jodie -- on Facebook today.

"Next year at Seattle Hempfest, if I-502 passes, everyone will be able to carry an ounce of marijuana around on their person and not be concerned with arrest!" Emery wrote from prison. "Or losing their job! Or losing custody of their children. Or violating probation. Or getting a criminal record.



"Tourists and residents of Washington state would be afforded the greatest legal protection available to any marijuana user in the whole world," Emery claimed. "After I-502, visitors and residents in Washington State will have more legal right to possess and smoke marijuana than any American or Dutch resident has in Holland!"


Quite a rosy picture, that.


Too bad it has -- like most of what either Emery has to say these days -- vanishingly little to do with reality.


Let's take a look.


What if I-502 passes and is enforced -- AS WRITTEN -- at Hempfest 2013?


Well, as far as carrying around an ounce of marijuana and not being concerned with arrest? Unless you bought that ounce at a state-licensed store, you'd still get busted.


If you took Emery at his word and happily passed what you believed to be that gloriously legal joint to your buddy -- after all, Marc Emery said it was OK! -- then you'd get your ass busted for "distribution."

Joe Mabel

I-502 would put some shiny new tools in their hands... "Hey, did I see you pass a joint, stoner?" Be aware of what it is for which you're voting.

If that bag in your pocket contained a crumb over 40 grams -- not that unusual for some of us -- you could be busted for felony possession.


Doesn't sound very, er, legal anymore, now does it?


Oh, if you somehow avoid being thrown in the slammer for any of the other new crimes 502 will put on the books -- God help you if you accidentally pass the joint to a minor, by the way -- you'd better hope some redneck cop with an attitude about stoners doesn't pull you over on the way home.


Or worse yet, sit there waiting to shoot hippie fish in a barrel as they leave Hempfest, just pulling 'em over as they leave, and ordering blood tests. Easy as pie!


Because if you show up over 5 ng/ml -- which, by the way, is an arbitrary and totally unscientific cutoff point for DUI, with no meaningful studies backing it up -- you're gonna pull a DUI charge that will make you homesick for the good ol' days of simple possession. It's gonna be a lot more expensive than that possession charge woulda been, too.


Does that sound like a fun Hempfest to you?


Vote for I-502, and if they actually enforce the damned thing, that's what you'll have to look forward to, next year!




Side Note To Marc and Jodie


Marc Emery, you are a deeply clueless tool. You either have NO IDEA what you are talking about, or you have sold out to law enforcement (not surprising, since they have you in a cage).


Actual patients and activists here in Washington OPPOSE I-502, because it is an execrably bad piece of legislation.


Unscientific DUI limits -- pandering to public fears rather than educating the public? REALLY?


No home cultivation... REALLY?


Only one ounce -- with 40 grams and above still a felony ... REALLY???


CONGRATS, Marc Emery -- you just became irrelevant to the cannabis movement in Washington State!


Anybody who wants to know what's going on in Washington, speak with people in Washington, NOT some clueless, arrogant Canadian prisoner in Mississippi.


I-502 sets a horrible precedent. If its execrable DUI provisions and ban on home growing become law here, future states will model their legislation upon it!


It's important to support credible legalization efforts wherever they're occurring -- for example, this November, both Oregon and Colorado will have measures on the ballot which don't include a dumb-ass DUI provision. By all means, vote for them.


But don't be fooled by this piece of garbage."

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Thanks for the great post Samwell... very informative...