Vertical kinda sucks

I think it's like most things in growing, it depends on your personal situation, what space you have to work with, and what you want to achieve. It's funny in growing that everyone thinks their way is the best.

DST I would disagree as vert is "a" way not "my" way lol, I understand what you mean but it isn't personal but factual as to which method doesn't suck as was posted Any set-up can and do fail with various growers for various reasons. true each grow has its own parameters of size, amperage , budget etc and last but not least grower experience.

first off, if cooling is your problem; your vent and fan placement is TERRIBLE. all you need to do is put a box fan on the floor under your light, then have your ventilation directly above your light, no cooling tubes(super inefficient lighting) no ac or chillers necessary(unless for your hydro system but thats another problem not having anything to do with vertical growing. the point of a scrog is so your plants can grow a little wild if your plants are getting too tall for your system train them to the sides if they are filling the screens too quickly then you are in veg too long. the difficulty to get to your plants just means you set up your system poorly and YOU made it difficult to get to your plants. I do not think you researched this type of growing well enough before trying it and you should say it "sucks" before you know how to do it. this type of growing is for advanced growers only, if it isn't working out for you it is most likely because you are doing it wrong. Don't hate on a system because you failed at it, rather you should learn the correct way to do it

Originally Posted by OGEvilgenius

If you're looking for big yields, vertical is the way to achieve them. You increase your lit square footage significantly if done efficiently and well. It does present challenges, but that's half the fun.

lol i wouldn't go that far as to saying that it if your looking for huge yields thats the way to go there are other techniques in growing that makes you achieve HUGE yields

5 plant 6 pound harvest 2 k 100's of buds looking like the one on 5 gallon pail cheers day 29 few more days and half done

damn dr those a sexy...

Originally Posted by DrGreener

lol i wouldn't go that far as to saying that it if your looking for huge yields thats the way to go there are other techniques in growing that makes you achieve HUGE yields

5 plant 6 pound harvest 2 k 100's of buds looking like the one on 5 gallon pail cheers day 29 few more days and half done

That would be a fairly average yield for a vertical setup with that much light. Obviously you can do really well horizontally too. You can do better vertically though, there is no debate. Objectively it's simply a fact.

Heath robinson pulled 47oz from 1 600w vertically without CO2. 1200w = 6lbs. You're at 2000w. Both of you obviously have your shit dialed in for your respective setups. I would suggest to you that if you changed it up you would pull down even more than what you're pulling down now. I realize once you have a room setup though, it's a PITA to change it up. Still, next time around, give it a go IMO.

Nice horizontal grow though for sure.

Originally Posted by OGEvilgenius

That would be a fairly average yield for a vertical setup with that much light. Obviously you can do really well horizontally too. You can do better vertically though, there is no debate. Objectively it's simply a fact.

Heath robinson pulled 47oz from 1 600w vertically without CO2. 1200w = 6lbs. You're at 2000w. Both of you obviously have your shit dialed in for your respective setups. I would suggest to you that if you changed it up you would pull down even more than what you're pulling down now. I realize once you have a room setup though, it's a PITA to change it up. Still, next time around, give it a go IMO.

Nice horizontal grow though for sure.

47 oz off 600 watt i call BS without pics dude it was probably wet 47 x 28 grams per oz = 1316 grams divide by 4 gave him 329 dry grams so gave him not even 3/4 of a pound
here i can go this way 454 x 6 pound = 2724 dry grams x 4 = 10,896 wet grams = divide by 28 = 389 0z i made off 2 k lighting WET
there is no changing my set up only plant count and wattage as temps permit

its not about light, its about light applied right? well with vertical plants more light is applied on the plants, not having to penetrate a dense canopy more of the plant is in full light exposure. a long with having more room for more plants with the same light. theres good reason to do both vert and horizontal, mostly depends on space at hand. but if your plants are gonna be taller then 2-3ft why light them from the top? and if multiple lights are hung between the plants being grow vert wouldnt it be far superior because its being lit from both sides with more plant surface area exposed? all in all its about how YOU like to do it. someones going to do it differently no matter what you tell them, what kind of data or graphs theyre presented with theyre going think theyre way is the best way. In the end we're all trying to grow the most possible for the least cash possible, in which case vert can be a way to get more plant around the same light while getting the same if not more lumens.

my two cents.